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12:02 AM
@CanadianLuke Upload right here, to SU chat.
Or it never happened!
@Fitzroy Hi!
 
@Boris_yo Hi - Happy New Year
 
@Fitzroy It has not yet happened
 
It has here (UK)
 
@Fitzroy Oh? I thought you are in USA. When it happened where I live as well so Happy New Year!
Did you see any meteor falling? Comet?
 
No. Should I have?
I've be listening to BBC Radio 4 all evening
 
12:09 AM
Yes. YouTube prophecy videos say so!
 
Apparently the fireworks on the River Thames could be 'tasted' this year
they produced some kind of flavour
 
How do I remove some of material that surrounds metal contact? I want to expose more of it to make it longer for recessed HDMI port.
 
i usually do it with a craft knife; that just looks like plastic
 
@tapped-out Craft knife? You just cut it?
Or serrated knife will do too? Hmmm
 
craft is usually cleaner
 
12:17 AM
@tapped-out Craft knife is utility knife?
 
yah
 
@tapped-out I need vice to do it but I don't have.
 
i usually hold the knife in one hand and the object in the other. of course, i've gotten a few nasty cuts that way, and it doesn't produce a very clean cut... xD
 
Cell phone, and I'm driving
 
@CanadianLuke Hang up!
@tapped-out For fragile items like HDMI adapter I would need to use pads in vice?
 
12:23 AM
Happy yada yada yada to you all!
 
Cell phone, driving and using a craft knife
 
@Fitzroy Cell phone and diving
@Thor Happy yaba daba do!
 
@Thor Blah Blah Blah Yackity Smackity!
 
@Fitzroy Vita, ortis kaa!...
 
12:27 AM
@Fitzroy Who's son are you then?
 
@Boris_yo sharp one sided razers, fresh new one for a job like that. I keep so many razors around because of all the projects and using a fresh sharp one, people expect to be doing lines :-)
 
I just wanted to take the opportunity to say Blah Blah Blah Yackity Smackity!
And a happy new year, etc...
 
@Psycogeek Straight razor is expensive...
@Fitzroy Happy 2015!
 
@Boris_yo no them ones that go into boxcutters, come 100 in a box
 
@Psycogeek Ah disposable?
 
12:31 AM
(aka utility knives, at least where i come from)
 
I probably need to ask Shadow Warrior for help...
Or Wolverine, or Baraka
 
@Boris_yo yea the blade is. but nothing else compares to the one. the blades we buy for these gnr8.biz/product_info.php?products_id=241 tile cutters are not the same , and the snap off kind promises a fresh blade en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Box-cutter.jpg But not as sharp and where it breaks off isnt very sharp at all
 
@Psycogeek Serrated blade is better?
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BoxCutter.jpg But the blades that come in these, we used for actual boxcutting in the store. they are almost as sharp as a doubble blade (for shaving) but are way less dangerous
But just like tapped-out said , Stuff slips :-)
@Boris_yo I have peeled away the ruberized plastic from around a few connectors, one i went too far back (still worked) In most situations it is just plastic and is easily Cut away with Sharp stuff . I wouldnt use serated. If i had to i would only use a very thin and sharp serated, not a steak knife or china ginsu knife unless it was very thin.
 
12:43 AM
The aliens that created us Intended us to use such things, thats why they gave us the extra fingers, 3 and a thumb would have done the job, so the extra come in handly later :-)
 
Grrr. Damn drop box. You're waiting till the new year
 
hmm what is a .mftc file? as in dot.MFTC
I dont know why these programmers write in such oblique and obscure dialogs, it is not like they are talking to a machine direct. I think somone is putting them through hell to test thier resolve.
back in dos which fit on a floppy and ran in a few Kb things a person just types >Copy this to that and it worked. Now with 450meg base SDKs , they write 20 pages of cryptic trash to do the same thing , which then takes 600megs (after updates) of stuff on the client computer to do it. Progress :-)
 
1:07 AM
@Psycogeek The magic of OOP, reusability, reading over writing and many other elements. It's generally an improvement though.
 
@Thor 60,000 shared dlls , only 50 programs using them :-)
(as if i am going to share your dirty dlls)
 
Trying to find a good 'expect' port for windows...
 
@Psycogeek Rather 60,000 shared dlls, than 500 bundled with each application!
 
@Thor they do that too :-) i got 1 program using each .Net framework.
@Thor plus i think i am up to 6 or so versions of that one MS set they always be needing. Its like the pigpile AMD drivers , each set of them runs one game correct :-)
 
@Psycogeek Yes, clearly you'll want backwards compatibility.
 
1:13 AM
@Thor on the other hand, i still have a program done in some lower level programming, that has lived since win95 or win98 still working. And (at the time) i thought it was the most sofisticated of the bunch, a 3D program, with all the features.
Just didnt have 500 dependencies.
But todays programmers are dedicated, , , to one program, , , they can barely keep up with the changes to make it survive all the changes in the rest of the systems. (but then it dies anyways)
 
@Psycogeek Yes, and at the same time the maintainability of said problem, along with the time spent on it - is probably not on par with many other applications.
 
If they were car mechnics, no problem, because they are still using the horribly archaic combustion engine made almosts 100 years ago. (100 if you count swamp gas)
 
Not to say that it can't be, or that it wasn't, because you can clearly do that in a low-level language as well, but still.
 
@Thor I dont know if they are "allowed" to be low level anymore?
 
1:28 AM
@Psycogeek You can still do low-level programming if you'd like, nobody's stopping you.
 
The Win32 API is still there if you want it :)
 
the rest of the system needs to think Big. start with the 512bit system, and only use 64 of them :-)
I wonder if anyone has fully implemented Intels other 5 super processor enhancers that were put in 10 years ago? it always takes some time for the software to catch up, right before intel adds in another co-processor or quickeey instruction side task method or whatever.
 
@Brant Can you still use USER32.DLL, GDI32.DLL & KERNEL32.DLL directly in .Net languages?
 
1:47 AM
So, happy new year to all of you guys :)
 
Happy new years eve here =p
 
@OliverSalzburg Happy new year Oliver
Does anyone use KiTTY (a PuTTY fork)?
 
No, but it looks interesting
 
I've been trying to work out how to do an 'Expect' type command from Windows.
 
It sure tried to install a lot of crapware
 
2:00 AM
Looks as though KiTTy might be the answe as it has a 'login script' feature similar to 'Expect':
login:
user1
password:
toto
@ekaj No crap installed for me. Did youclikc the big green 'Download' button on the homepage?
@ekaj If so, bad luck, that's just an advert from some crapware.
I'm pretty sure I've seen similar nasty banners like that on sourceforge recently
 
I got taken to a page with a light blue banner.. I just thought it was an advertisement haha
 
2:15 AM
@Fitzroy I used that briefly in the past, but I now use mRemoteNG
 
@OliverSalzburg I'm a happy PuTTY user ad have been for many years. My only reason for looking at KiTTY is because I need 'Expect' type behaviour.
Does mRemoteNG offer this?
 
@Fitzroy What exactly would that be?
I'm not familiar with the concept
 
Expect is a program that "talks" to other interactive programs according to a script. Following the script, Expect knows what can be expected from a program and what the correct response should be.
EG. If the interactive program says "enter your IP address", you can use Expect in a script like this
 
So, in this case it would automatically log you in with a given set of credentials?
 
enter your IP address: 10.2.2.1
yeah - it would log you in but I'm more interested in the fact that I can automate my responses to a program thats normally interactive (IE requires a human to input the answers)
 
2:22 AM
Well, mRemoteNG comes with a custom version of PuTTY. So it does automatically log you in with a given set of credentials, but that's as far as it goes
 
KiTTY's login script example is as follows:

login:
user1
password:
toto
So I'm hoping I could do something like this

Enter your IP address:
10.2.2.1
(That's just a crap example by the way - the program I'm trying to automate doesn't really ask me what my IP address is)
 
Yeah mRemoteNG is probably not going to be of any help with that
 
I remember looking at mRemoteNG some time ago - I needed a way to organise all my servers and their various methods of connection (SSH, RDP, Telnet, etc). I ended up writing my own in powershell
Not as feature rich as mRemoteNG but does everything that I need.
 
I use it every day for exactly that purpose
 
As Windows has no native SSH client, my script calls PuTTY and just passes the hostname (or IP address) of the server that I wish to connect to as an argument.
I like to squeeze as much out of windows as I can before I resort to downloading software.
 
3:03 AM
is NTFS file system how people say it? I realize it's redundant, but is it similar to people saying "ATM machine"?
 
3:20 AM
@ekaj Depends on the context
 
"Your computer is able to tell that the file was downloaded from the Internet using ADS, or Alternate Data Streams, a feature of the NTFS file system."
 
3:35 AM
@ekaj In that case it seems like a good idea to be redundant
 
bah okay.. it seems natural to say it like that but when you actually look at it it's odd
 
But given the style of the sentence, it could have been "...a features of NTFS, the NT file system" or something like that
 
blah don't want too many commas, I'll just leave it =p
 
The problem with "NTFS file system", "ATM machine" and "PIN number" is that the person you're talking to might not know what the acronym stands for
So while it may be redundant, it might be helpful
 
You guys have a question like this?
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Q: Stop from Uninstalling Ubuntu

UndisclosedI was using Easeus Partion Manager in Windows 7, and accidentally selected the partition that has Ubuntu installed on it. When the computer restarted it, luckily, launched Ubuntu from Grub. I know if I restart and select the Windows 7 option from the Grub Menu, Easeus will start the operation I ...

 
3:39 AM
made me giggle :p
 
@Seth I don't even know what he's talking about
He "used" a program, like, how?
 
It took me a bit too. He accidently told the partition manager in Windows to format the partition Ubuntu is on. The next time he boots into Windows it will wipe that partition
 
was so tired when i got home i just crashed without even grabbing dinner... new years is in an hour and 19 minutes here
 
@allquixotic Do you have any plans?
 
I don't think we have a question like that, though @Seth
 
3:42 AM
@OliverSalzburg yeah, i'm going to eat chinese food out of a box and watch youtube on my NUC because I'm too lazy to boot up my desktop
 
@allquixotic I like it!
 
He is really lucky he caught his error.
 
i have New Years Day and the day after off, so I'll probably be around here a lot
if I'm well-disciplined, I'll be doing hobbyist coding of some sort while I'm off instead of playing games
 
@OliverSalzburg What ekaj said
@ekaj No kidding.
 
@allquixotic Anything special we might be interested in?
@Seth I see. In that case, the question should be clarified before migration, otherwise it will get shot down pretty quickly
 
3:44 AM
@OliverSalzburg well, maybe.... Jimmy Hoffa and I have been speccing out a possible implementation of issuing commands to the chatbot from the console on the server; now that I have it running through PhantomJS, it shouldn't be incredibly hard to do
 
@OliverSalzburg Alright thanks.
 
if the bot just starts posting random pictures of Tardar Sauce without someone explicitly asking it to, that's probably why
 
@allquixotic The zombie.js thing?
 
@OliverSalzburg nah -- zombie.js doesn't seem to have an advanced-enough JS or DOM engine to load the chat UI, so I grabbed a PhantomJS 2.0 technology preview build and I'm running Cavil off of that, now.
 
@allquixotic Ok, I see
 
3:46 AM
PhantomJS 2.0 is based on Qt 5.2, and the QtWebKit implementation within contains a much newer WebKit and a newer JSCore, so it actually supports things like BlobBuilder and the rest of ES5.
 
I was looking at zombie when you guys mentioned it the other day. Seemed really interesting for running UI tests on our own application
 
it isn't a stable release yet, but Cavil's running on it right now and it seems to work, so I'm pretty happy about that
yeah, zombie.js is cool in theory, but it seems to be limited in what it actually can do, mainly because the underlying jsdom isn't all that complete yet
phantomjs on the other hand is an entire WebKit implementation that just happens not to have a GUI of any sort, and is explicitly designed not to have a GUI or even a link to GUI libraries, so it can run on a headless Linux box
 
Did you upgrade to the SE chat reply helper 2.4.0 yet btw? ;D
 
@OliverSalzburg I would wager that Firefox probably automatically updated to it, and I didn't notice the dreaded reply bug anymore, so I'm guessing yes
 
@allquixotic Yeah, I only read from you guys talking that you also had some issues with phantom, I was kinda hoping that zombie was the new cool thing that doesn't have issues
But I guess the whole chat interaction thing is far more complicated than what I would personally need
 
3:49 AM
@OliverSalzburg I think coffeescript evaluation is the only feature of the bot that is broken with the new PhantomJS, and I don't have to load the bot full of awful JS hacks just to support ECMAScript 5 features
!!> 1+1
 
@allquixotic 2
 
oh! it works!
nevermind then.... I think last time I tried it, it was the first command I had issued when the bot came up. due to some weird bug with PhantomJS, the very first command after the bot is started throws some error
but after that it works
 
Okay, cool
 
I think The Dream for all the folks who maintain SO-ChatBot upstream is really to run the whole bot out of NodeJS, but to do that, zombie.js needs to not suck
it gets super confused by all the JS whizzing around, between SE's JS for the chatroom itself, and the bot
 
3:51 AM
the document object is undefined. that's how bad it is.
 
@Seth Much better
 
Does the Windows version of Gparted go by drive letter or partition table?
 
@ekaj it uses the Logical Disk Manager to detect its hard drives; on Windows it pretty much has to
 
3:55 AM
I think driver letter..
but I'm not sure.
 
it isn't by drive letter, because it can detect partitions that aren't mounted to a drive letter
 
@OliverSalzburg Okay great. No mods online now so it will probably take a while to come over.
@allquixotic Oh good point. I forgot about that.
 
Ah okay, scratch my idea
 
the Logical Disk Manager is basically the underlying hard disk block layer on Windows
 
I'm aware. I was going to say if it's by drive letter you could just change the letter temporarily using the disk manager
 
3:57 AM
disks are referred to using a weird syntax like \\.\PhysicalDrive0
 
Is that referred to as BNC or something?
 
gparted would just be another interface into that layer
 
not as in the irc bnc.
I saw someone talking about it on IRC but I only glanced
 
I have the Windows Internals Part I ebook, let me see if I can find that
maybe it's in part 2 though ;x
 
I'm wearing the wrong hat - I want the glasses...
refresh damn it
 
4:00 AM
I got the windows internals books for Christmas :x except I barely understand anything in them yet
 
@ekaj Nice that you got it
 
\??\Volume(X) where X is a GUID.. meh
It gives me an incentive to learn more at least.. most of the things I am learning/reading about they don't teach in my small liberal-arts college
 
lol
We are still not capable of transporting people to mars :P
 
@Gowtham I'm pretty sure we're capable
But getting them back alive...
 
4:10 AM
@OliverSalzburg No one is going to fund NASA for a mission like that
unless Amurica finds oil in mars
 
A mission to mars will probably be a private company now
imo
 
Love the term 'Hat Farming'
good night
 
!! learn o_0 <>http://i.minus.com/ibhwkvCPXL1S8L.gif
 
@Gowtham That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
@Gowtham Command o_0 learned
 
!!no
 
ha
it's memory is back
 
Ash
is there a git page for SE chat ??
 
@Ash git page ?
you mean a help page ?
 
Ash
yeah.. like the one for Sochatbot in git.
 
!!help
 
4:25 AM
@ekaj Information on interacting with me can be found at this page
 
@Gowtham yep, I imported it from Firefox to PhantomJS
@Ash no. the SE chat engine is not open source.
it's the "sensitive and proprietary information of StackExchange, Inc."
 
@allquixotic great now please bring back urban :P
 
@Gowtham only if I figure out how to filter it
 
Ash
@allquixotic do you know anything similar to SE chat engine thats open source ?
 
4:27 AM
hahaha
 
> In tests it even used the word "bullshit" in an answer to a researcher's query.
 
@Ash there are plenty of things that are similar-ish but nothing with all the features like markdown, SE integration, etc
boy am I conflicted right now
I'm reading the Windows Internals book using evince on Fedora, and I just got the Free Software Supporter email
wtf is wrong with me, I am living two lives
 
Ash
can you point me to any of them ??
 
@allquixotic do you just read through the book? =p or use it as a reference
 
@ekaj reference
 
4:36 AM
2nd book?
 
Ash
@allquixotic what is it that you are learning / reading ?: Windows internals ??
 
I wish I understood how things worked more, I guess I'll have to glance through the books once I finish my current one
@Ash yes
 
so \Device\HarddiskX\DRX is the new format and the \\.\PhysicalDrive0 is the Windows NT backwards compatibility format
the specific sort of path being referred to is an NT Object path
the NT object manager reminds me sort of like /proc and /dev combined for Linux
 
I'm not sure what /proc is
 
4:46 AM
basically a bunch of internals of the kernel that are exposed for reading (some for writing) from userspace
 
"virtual filesystem"
ah
 
the object manager is detailed in chapter 3 of part 1
 
Meh, 2k rep
Happy New Years, all
 
Ash
5:03 AM
@Gowtham how to write like this here ??
 
oh use markdown
type > sentence here
 
Ash
which one ?
 
. > "message here"
remove that .
 
Ash
let me try
.>Watson couldn't distinguish between polite language and profanity
. > Watson couldn't distinguish between polite language and profanity.
sh*t
 
>test
 
Ash
5:08 AM
> hi
got it
>*space*message
 
@ekaj happy new year
 
Ash
> Watson couldn't distinguish between polite language and profanity.
so did @ChatBotJohnCavil.
wonder when @allquixotic is going to develop the filter.
@ekaj Happy new year :)
@Gowtham where are you from ?
 
@Ash india
 
Ash
5:33 AM
@Gowtham to quote Han solo : " I know"
I meant to ask where in India ?
 
6:49 AM
 
glad i don't use snapchat
 
Ash
@Gowtham so we are neighbours :)
 
@Ash lol, I am from a small town :P
 
Ash
@Gowtham and I am from a small village :þ
 
So the name of your town/village ? ;p
 
Ash
6:58 AM
I am from Thrissur (Dist)
 
ah ok :)
Your village is bigger than my city :P
 

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