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Bob
Bob
00:15
ohshit
anyone familiar with linux/grub here?
fatal error while executing grub-install... while trying to set up dual boot for a friend
-_-
...ok, why the heck is it trying to install grub on the flash drive I'm booting from?
eff.
00:31
@Neo: got cut?
00:47
@Tanner around? :P
@Bob grub1 or grub2?
@JourneymanGeek hey?
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic whatever comes with Kubuntu 12.04 (LTS)
probably 2
can you upvote this? he needs 4 rep to chat
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Q: ASP.NET/Timer/Table + Image = No Tick/update

user1973593I've got a page which retrieves character information from a remote service and then displays the information in a table which is inside an UpdatePanel. The table refreshes perfectly fine if all I do is add tablerows, tablecells, and text to the table. However, if I try to add images, either vi...

4 rep not 4 votes
@allquixotic: done
@Bob grub2 then
have to use the right command line arguments
thanks geek :P
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic ...this was part of the graphical installer
00:51
oh really
Bob
Bob
yes.
all recommended options
did you burn the iso straight to a flsah drive?
thats one of those funny things. SF folks tend to hate ubuntu with a vengence ;p
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic no. YUMI.
never tried Kubuntu like this
OpenSUSE worked fine
01:10
@allquixotic I've been around a little bit. Had a question I needed to ask... CEO borrowed the laptop I use and I never got it back. >_> Typing on a mini iPad sucks.
Bob
Bob
@Tanner is that a private laptop?
No. Company one I was taking home for weekend work. Would never loan a personal if I had one
01:22
* evil grin *
Why not. step 1 ) install keylogger. 2) Loan laptop. 3) Profit!
loan... lent to ?
Pfft last time I loaned him a machine he left all his passwords saved and didn't delete his financial spreadsheet off the desktop when he gave it back...
Could have gone through his email if I so desired. That's one thing I really like about that place. Everyone entirely trusts us (IT) with their data.
lol
even where I work, my boss asked me to write a script that could only be tested with a manager's credentials (password)
i did as best i could but then pouted "I can't test it!" so what does he do? he gets an "encryption" (in air quotes) routine from a colleague, pastes it into the file, types his password in a prompt, copies an obfuscated version of the password into a string in the code, and gives it to me
the decryption routine is right there in the file because the code uses it to decrypt the password to enter it
I didn't try explaining to him that it's not encryption if a polynomial-time algorithm can produce the plain text from the cipher text
and I didn't abuse his credentials either
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic ...one-way hash please
@Bob a one-way hash wouldn't work, because I needed to use his plaintext password to authenticate into a downstream system over which we had no control
Bob
Bob
o.O
01:36
I could get a one way hash of his password but it'd be useless for serving any purpose
Bob
Bob
that's... bad.
no shit
but when the boss wants something you do it
Bob
Bob
hm..
use the Windows credentials store?
that way, as long as he logs into Windows...
wait..
no
sigh
unfortunately, the downstream service wasn't wired into NTLM
web form asking for his password
at least it was using https....
Did it have to do with your IBM stuff?
Bob
Bob
01:37
..well, the most corect way would be to set up a temp password for you :P
unless you want the manager to log in every time
@Bob the whole reason he got me involved is to try and work around limitations in software produced by other components of our company who are unwilling to help us in any way, so a temp password would entail getting a temp account from them
I've been wondering whether to push SSO with our OS400 stuff... But it sounds akin to masochism.
@Bob no, it's worse than that: the final script on his machine has his "obfuscated" password stored as a string in the code
Bob
Bob
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well, it is obfuscated
obfuscated, yes
encrypted, no
you'd have to be an absolute idiot not to add a line to the bottom of the vbscript (assuming physical access to the box / the file) doing MsgBox decrypt(sPassword)
or rather
01:40
That's like throwing a blanket over the password and saying "don't look pls!!!1"
exactly
things like this happen ALL THE TIME in business in the real world
it goes something like this
step 1: manager forgets to do something, repeatedly, and gets yelled at for negligence of some responsibility
step 2: goes to a techie/geek and asks to automate it
step 3: coding
step 4: obfuscated password in vbscript
it happens in THOUSANDS of places, I absolutely assure you
millions maybe
Hell, my CEO started to give me his password before I cut him off and told him I did not want to know it. Most my users do that, even ones higher up than me. Makes me uncomfortable. =S
a password is even more dangerous and harder to control than a physical key
if someone gives you a physical key, chances are you don't have the skills or time or tools to duplicate it... you can borrow it, use it for whatever, and give it back, no harm done, and your access is automatically revoked
if someone gives you their password, you can memorize it regardless of what physical materials (aside from your brain) that you destroy
and until they change it, you're in, and the account is compromised
a lot of people have figured out ridiculously easy ways of gaming the complicated password changing systems, too, where they hardly change their password at all but it passes the sniff test of the filter that tries to prevent you from using a "too similar password"
Why is a physical key safer though? Is it just because there are fewer locksmiths than geeks? Could we ever mimic the security of physical locks digitally, to the point where we can "loan" our keys out like that?
@Tanner I actually have a physical key that, as it is claimed, can't be duplicated
I'm not sure how it works but the company says it just isn't possible
Bob
Bob
01:49
@Tanner heh. everyone knows everyone's passwords
we may as well not have them
@Tanner I don't know, but if we start thinking about convenience of sharing an account temporarily, it probably opens up whole other security issues in the process
I suppose we can use multiple locks? Would be neat if my users could assign me a temporary key file to access their account. =D
certainly I'm sure there are systems that give some kind of time limited guest account, or feature limited
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic Feature limited? Windows Guest user? :S
Linux 'nobody'?
02:16
Softlayer has a system that allows you to create separate accounts for other people in your org and allow them to do only specific things
Bob
Bob
03:06
uhh
acan anyone help me get grub installed from a livecd? -_-
@allquixotic How does it work?
 
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Bob
Bob
04:19
wow. that was scary. almost lost 500 tabs
tip: if Firefox doesn't show the restore tabs button, try ctrl+shift+n
@Bob lol bookmark stuff instead of saving hundreds of tabs, silly
Please tell me that was photoshopped
My current sound system was enough to shake my window frame out of my wall
It's the reason why I'm trying to fix my computer instead of buying a new one
grrr, I do not use speakers for that reason, stupid sub woofer :P. I need to get audiophilic headphones :D
@HackToHell Sennheiser HD25-1 II are still top of the line
05:32
I had to put a new window in anyways
@allquixotic It costs 400$ ^_^
Anyways when you can put your volume on 14 percent and still here it 300 meters away, it's a system worth keeping
hear*
best part was I payed 20 bucks for the speakers
lol
@HackToHell: I'm currently hunting for the next pair
annoyingly they're SERIOUSLY difficult to find, since they seem to invariably be out of stock
I am looking for something good @ ~20$ :P
/me probably has the most awesome budget dac ever
lol
@HackToHell: apparently monoprice is awesome for stuff like that, other than shipping outside the US
05:38
then it's of no use to me :P
best low cost headphones I've bought were 2 dollars ;p
20 cents here
ebqy
ebay*
@JourneymanGeek can you spot the correct one with your sound gear ?
:( need new ear phones
05:41
its also the sound card
actually that was fairly obvious to me
Qix
Qix
06:12
I feel like an idiot asking this, but does SU's meta not award reputation?
none except MSO do
MSO is a special case since its both Meta for SO, and meta for SE as a whole
Qix
Qix
Ah I see, that makes sense.
(they want to split them, eventually)
meta dosen't always have questions with definitive answers. Its a good way to make sure you have something to point out when a policy is set, and you need to mention it
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Q: Could we have a less obvious review audit user?

Journeyman GeekI've noticed a good chunk of my edit approval review audits are by the same user (who I will not name ;p), with a .. suspicious amount of rep (999/1024). I realize that review audits are meant to catch roboapprovals, but at this point I'm like "Oh, its him again" and know its a review audit. Cou...

OOH... meta is interesting, they're adding direct pasting of images. This should SERIOUSLY simplify my answering workflow <3
06:24
from the depths of Meta Stack Overflow wtfs
lwoooooow
@JourneymanGeek nice!
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Q: Upload images by drag-and-drop

GelatinSome image hosting sites like Imgur and min.us support image uploading via drag-and-drop in Chrome and Firefox. It would be nice if you could upload an image and add it to your post by dropping it on the edit page.

Finally!
06:27
yes!
SOON!
Now bring this to chat and I'll be pasting images all day!
@TomWijsman: I was thinking moar screenshots!
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek :D
I just hope it doesn't paste them all as JPEG
Moar PNG! :D
Qix
Qix
@JourneymanGeek "Rumors that the original name for Stack Overflow was 'The Loyal Order of Alley Cats Unicorn and Chowder Club' are probably false"
@Qix: Well, I do get suspected of being a small dog... ;p
06:38
@JourneymanGeek or a Ravi-oli ;)))
Qix
Qix
Unrelated note: Never been mentioned in chat before; had volume on full. Brb brix everywhere.
@Qix LOUD
Bob
Bob
...I just realised Kubuntu defaulted to a netbook interface, probably due to the resolution.. facepalm
!@allquixotic: ... that's horrible
Qix
Qix
06:39
@allquixotic Too late, already turned it down ;D
@JourneymanGeek <3
@Qix: you get used to it
and besides, this is the fun part of the site ;p
or you turn it off ;)
@allquixotic: well, I have system sounds on a different soundcard from my headphones ;p
Qix
Qix
Yea I never bothered coming in here before. I kind of avoided it since the site would yell at me for (ab)using comments.
06:40
lol
@Qix: chat. ALL COMMENTS ALL THE TIME
also, various fun crap
and computer build chats <3
@JourneymanGeek my favorite
Qix
Qix
I need to brush up on my computer hardware know-how. I'm too absorbed into the software side of things.
06:43
even if I JUST built one
Bob
Bob
@Qix I see this one far more often:
Qix
Qix
@Bob YEASS that's the one I was actually looking for.
Qix
Qix
Someone ping me really quick, if you would. Just enabled desktop notifications and I want to see what they look like.
@Qix: I basically went into a few months of relearning stuff, and comparison shopping when I built my current box. There's some great rresourceds
06:47
@Qix: PING!
Qix
Qix
Oh cool.
@TomWijsman Thanks :)
Qix
Qix
@JourneymanGeek That's what I should do. Though there are some things about hardware that I don't know about yet.
@Qix: like?
Qix
Qix
@JourneymanGeek Some things on the specs pages of motherboards or other common components, for example. Like the north bridge and south bridge and the like.
I hear people discuss them a little when talking about builds and stuff and I always glaze over when they do.
06:51
And if your mobo ain't high end, finding that info is hard
well, these days its down to chipsets and processors really
read all of anandtech, tomshardware, phoronix, gizmodo and hardforum, then come back
and there's ways to cut through that - I found the falconguide useful
lol
@allquixotic gizmodo ? really ?
@HackToHell ok, not gizmodo
06:52
basically decide if you want AMD or Intel, pick a chipset (with intel, there's really only 3 major families) and pick a model (reviews are useful here)
intel is exiting the mobo business i thought
Qix
Qix
@JourneymanGeek That's actually useful info.
@allquixotic: they still make the chipsets
for example Z series are the gaming boards, H series are for home use (one step down), B series are for business use (and tend to be the cheapest)
Qix
Qix
06:54
@JourneymanGeek What is a chipset? Is that just the mobo's ICs or whatever?
@Qix: these days, its basically what your PCI slots, and sata ports are tied into
Qix
Qix
@JourneymanGeek Ohh okay
And then there's pcpartpicker
Qix
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So it is kind of like another abstraction layer between the CPU and the hardware ports?
kinda
basically motherboards are getting simpler
(eventually everything will be on one chip)
so this handles some of the stuff
Qix
Qix
06:56
I see.
some motherboard makers add additional chips for more functions - mine has 2 sata ports or a PCI port on an additional chip
@HackToHell: the northbridge is essentially dead tho ;p
and no one uses FSB
Qix
Qix
@HackToHell I see. That clears a lot up
@Qix: in general, very few people need to dig down to the specifics of their northbridge/southbridge IMO
ya, I could not find my northbridge chipset name and I assumed it did not exist :P :P
06:58
AMD started having integral memory controllers first
Qix
Qix
@JourneymanGeek I see, this makes much more sense
And AGP is just the graphics card, right? Does that include integrated?
AGP is dead
everything now uses PCI-e
No, integrated is south bridge
both intel and AMD build that into their processors now
Qix
Qix
Ah okay
06:59
@JourneymanGeek What does intel's hd xxxx come under ?

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