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Boris_yo

00:00

@Hennes I don't see any reference to my name. You speak of adblockers but what this has to do with me?

Hennes

@barlop @Hennes Here: imgur.com/a/WGfsf -> empty pages

Boris_yo

@Ariane Is drive detected where image is located?

Hennes

Images loaded from external sites -> blocked

Ariane

@Boris_yo ......What? ANyway I don't feel like dealing with you, sorry. I'll just give up on this whole image thing.

Boris_yo

@Hennes Something with your ISP? Imgur works for everyone.

Mr. I Don't Care

00:01

@Ariane Did you go on the command prompt and execute the commands?

Hennes

No, this works once I turn off add-blockers, request policy etc etc all off

Ariane

@Mr.IDon'tCare Yes.

Mr. I Don't Care

I am guessing you got an error?

Boris_yo

@Hennes My AdBlock Plus is active while navigating Imgur.

@Ariane I took it as offense.

Ariane

@Boris_yo I'm incredibly annoyed right now, so it's likely that I'll offense whoever I talk to. Sorry.

Hennes

00:04

Ah, you need to manually click on the wheel and select 'view full resolution' before you get to see the image

Ariane

@Mr.IDon'tCare Mountvol didn't seem to give an error. Tried to dir to my folder but it failed.

Boris_yo

@Hennes It's like Imgur is hosting their data on 3rd party company which is blacklisted...

@Hennes Still, previews should be working for you.

Hennes

Yup. Plenty of links to external sites

And google-analytics is always blocked. No need for them to know everything from me

Boris_yo

@Hennes I don't see resource that host images in this list.

Hennes

Still, full paranoid mode, a lot of blockers, anti-cross-site plugins, a 700KiB host file.... All of this and I still prefer it over a web full of adds

Ariane

00:09

I think I must be the only one on Earth who doesn't mind ads much.

Boris_yo

@Hennes I don't mind ads as long as they are not resource hogging and intrusive.

Hennes

If the ad moves (animates gif or movie) I either leave the page or block it.

Always.

@Ariane I no longer own a TV since I could not watch it without running into adds.

I really hate adds

Ariane

I see.

Boris_yo

@Hennes And tell me how you hate ads that have "x" on them to close obviously but when you click it redirects?

Hennes

uhm. I never click on them.

Boris_yo

00:12

@Hennes I hate ads on TV much more now than ever because of increased volume to suddenly wake you up from sleep and brainwash you loudly with latest B.S

Hennes

Either leave the page. Block it somehow or edit the page.

Boris_yo

@Hennes I have no choice if I extremely need to view content and that "x" ad is in front of it.

Hennes

The I start firebug or use websacarab (a proxy) so I can edit the HTML of the webpage

Boris_yo

@Hennes What do you mean "by edit the page"? Is it caching that webpage and changing its coding in order to access it?

allquixotic

wtf... everything in Windows 8.1 is horrendously slow

clicking "Details" in Task Manager takes 5 seconds

Boris_yo

00:14

@Hennes Okay and can you always access that webpage you changed in the future as long as you want?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo that guy was not totally wrong, just has a different perspective on the situation.

Hennes

I mean things like this

Mr. I Don't Care

@allquixotic I am about to install 8.1 from windows 7. That is probably the last thing i'd like to hear.

Hennes

No need to use a cached version. Just edit the loaded page directly

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Hennes

00:15

Firebug is aimed at web developement, but that is not its only use

Boris_yo

@Hennes If I edit loaded page directly, can I remove annoying ad with "x"?

allquixotic

@Mr.IDon'tCare it's probably some software on my system, don't worry ;)

Hennes

Yes. That anoying "X" is in code. You can delete that code

Ariane

@allquixotic That's not normal. Windows 8.1 is supposed to be faster than 8 (which itself was faster than 7) and nothing so far has contradicted that to me.

Hennes

Or if the page uses frames delete the entire iframe with adds. Thus regaining all that space on the screen.

At least, until you load the page next time

Journeyman Geek

00:16

morning

allquixotic

@Ariane I think it's just a long boot-up procedure, combined with "SuperFetch" not performing optimally on the first boot after an upgrade

Boris_yo

@Mr.IDon'tCare You decided to upgrade that fast? Did you have to order license key?

allquixotic

it will probably get better over time, and if it's an actual bug, I'm sure a critical update will fix it

Hennes

A lot of websites have useless stuff in columns. So I just edit thos eout

Mr. I Don't Care

@Boris_yo Dreamspark :D

Ariane

00:17

Ah, well if you have a lot of slow startup programs, it's different. :p

allquixotic

this is an awful message to receive from your hosting provider:

> We have taken our billing and support portal offline due to a major security risk.

Boris_yo

@Hennes Just requires some coding expertise which I have low amount of.

tapped-out

g'evening @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: oh, might be WHMCS or whatver its called.

allquixotic

g'morning @JourneymanGeek

g'afternoon @JourneymanGeek

@JourneymanGeek it is!

Mr. I Don't Care

00:17

@Boris_yo Plus, I decided if there is an error, Ill just use them restore disks to get back Win 7.

Boris_yo

@Hennes Navigation is in columns often...

Hennes

Not much is needed for destructive stuff. E.g. look at SU's page and the sound it makes when your name gets mentioned.

I could edit that se.mp3 and point it to an MP3 on-line

allquixotic

@Hennes please stop; your lack of UI styling on your widgets is making my eyes bleed @__@

Hennes

uhm, no my design

Boris_yo

@Hennes Nice. HTML5 is also MP3 compatible I see?

Journeyman Geek

00:20

I think it just uses the codecs you have on hand

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek MP3 decoding is worldwide royalty-free now, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's there

encoding, now that's another thing entirely

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Is there currently ExpressCard for laptops with 2.0 revision that offers SuperSpeed USB 3.0?

Journeyman Geek

no idea

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek I checked reviews on DX and Amazon and most say that speed is twice or thrice better than USB 2.0 but nowhere near USB 3.0.

Psycogeek

-2

A: Which is best for ReadyBoost? SD card or USB?

The device with the higher transfer rate will better support ReadyBoost. Run an copy from the harddisk to each to find out which has higher transfer rate.

mabey a better way to have said it is IT DEPENDS :-)

Hennes

00:32

@Psycogeek Why cares about transfer rate. The internal HDD will have a much higher sequential transfer rate

Psycogeek

@Hennes well my point would be that i just spent 1/2 the day reading crap on the web. about how Usefull all this stuff is. The people with the knowlege were being Assulted on the forums, for being CORRECT damnit

now i show up here and again, a different perspetive on a situation is derided for being incorrect.

3 threads at Hard forum here is one example hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1599553&page=3 SSDs are set properly via the OS . ok so maybe they are mabey they arent. but 3 times now on my system it was not. it takes Pages of people blowing info out, without testing anything. then at the last page :-) well you know.

Boris_yo

@Hennes Pure random IO on a HDD is more likely to be around 5MB/sec, depending on the model). – Hennes 1 min ago

Can you calculate access time for those 5MB/s?

Psycogeek

Facts not in evidence. poor testing, zero testing. assumptions made based on other bad information on the web. then repeated so many times that it is the only truth left. That is the frustration.

Hennes

Nope. And those will vary per model anyway

Boris_yo

@Hennes I just want to understand difference between trransfer rate and access time. How one influences another?

Hennes

00:41

I got up to 14MB/sec with a RAID-0 of 10K RPM @.5 inch SAS drives and about 30 videostreams hitting it (20 write, 10 read, 32 bit OS so not much RAM to cache the data)

Boris, compare it to a book.

the access time it how long you need to turn the book to a certain page

the transfer rate is how fast you can read

If you read a single chapter then you will read many sequential pages.

So there will be minimal turning of pages.

If you read a 100 random pages then you are spaning a lot of time flipping to the page you want to read.

a spinning HDD has no pages, but it needs to move the r/w heads around, and that takes time. And then it has to wait for the right part to pass underneath the head. On average that takes half a revolution.

Boris_yo

@Hennes The difference between human and hard disk is that human reads sequentially and hard drive reads sequentially and randomly.

Journeyman Geek

humans can read randomly too ;p

Hennes

Well, if I have a book (say a dictionary) and 10 people asking me to explain words (at the same time) then I am going to do a lot of page turning.

Boris_yo

I need to clarify that I wanted to know difference between random writes and random access time.

Hennes

And if they are in a hurry I might read the first part from a dictionary page, then turn to the page for the second person, read that first part, then turn to the third person.

etc etc

And then return to the first word again later to read the rest

Boris_yo

00:48

@Hennes Oh yeah it would make good NAND person from you.

Hennes

To write something you need to go to the place to write it.

Just replace my page turning and reading to page turning and writing

Boris_yo

@Hennes Right. Let me also add language dictionary.

Hennes

It gets more complex if you add caching

Let me backtrack a lot with a few simpel questions:

Psycogeek

If you take the random write aspect of the flash it sucks so bad . but without knowing how the system would use it in the particular use , i wouldnt know how that part would effect it. the readycrap is not a paging file, it is some kind of cache.. even if it was being written in 4K chunks. would the system be as crasy as the benchmarks are , at trying to put the chunks all over the place?

Hennes

do you remember an LP (large black disc with music on in)

LP record

The LP (Long Play), or 33⅓ rpm microgroove vinyl record, is a format for phonograph (gramophone) records, an analog sound storage medium. Introduced by Columbia Records in 1948, it was soon adopted as a new standard by the entire record industry. Apart from relatively minor refinements and the important later addition of stereophonic sound capability, it has remained the standard format for vinyl albums. Format advantages At the time the LP was introduced, nearly all phonograph records for home use were made of an abrasive (and therefore noisy) shellac compound, employed a much lar...

The LP only has one single recording on it.

Boris_yo

00:51

@Psycogeek If you say ReadyBoost is cache and not page file based, why not improve performance additionally and fully move pagefile.sys to flash drive with ReadyBoost?

Hennes

One a computer that would not be practical. So we used a different layout where we split the disk in circles (tracks)

Journeyman Geek

►

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek He obviously likes experiencing nausea.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Dont even bring that up :-) I got enough problems trying to get any Facts on the One thing. some aspect of this ready junk seems to be operating in the system reguardless of it being set up on a flash disk.

I fully broke my system with a bluescreen, when i had it all 100% off. the system would not even boot anymore.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek You actually tested ReadyBoost?

@Psycogeek Oh wait. Idea! How about running ReadyBoost on 4 flash drives? :D That's 4x speed!

Psycogeek

00:56

@Boris_yo ok readyBoost. good lets get the terms correct. Ready boost driver itself when turned off hoses my system.

I am havin a very hard time finding Facts , when the people who know them are laughed out of the forums. and (i kid you not) Banned, saw that 3 times today in my never ending quest for facts.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Banned for speaking truth? Hmmm, just like on conspiracy theory stuff shared on TV and banned. Disinformation is king unfortunately.

@Psycogeek If it took you half day, it would take me at least 1 day.

Psycogeek

The OCZ forum, has a very good layout of how the OS is NOt setting up for SSD, and had a 90% correct tweaks post. it was closed. Some information with "facts" in them are only found in the deep archive resesses of the web.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Maybe something OCZ wouldn't like to be found?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Well here my friends say they are catching Mac disease. once the windows system was leaned into being a mac, and everybody started having to Believe in it, because it takes a strong belief system :-) to like it anymore.

@Boris_yo There was no OCZ negative information. just that all heavy tweaking to an OS can cause more trouble for anyone (including me) . Plus the naysayers, luckily they didnt have the stupid arguments going on about it.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek But that tweaking although dangerous but is 90% correct?

Psycogeek

01:09

@Boris_yo If you have a SSD , and windows, there are things you should check. Anything else you would have to have a good idea of what your doing, Why your doing it, and it would have to be usefull in your computers situation. Then you gotta have a backup, and you should Test it ON your actual system, before it would be assumed that it was "better".

tapped-out

why can't i VTC questions that i flagged for closure... :/

(this)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek YouTube offers 1440p. Can you believe it?

Simon Sheehan

YouTube offers RAW now

Well, raw as in whatever it was uploaded as, so I suppose up to 4k perhaps

Hennes

Anyway. Night all. 3:13 in the night. Sleep

Braiam

@tapped-out because you already casted your vote, wait four days until the vote expires then you can vote it

tapped-out

01:14

i flagged it almost two weeks ago

Braiam

lol well, just wait till everyone else votes

tapped-out

i still have flags from july that are active :P

(ie no one's happened to reach that question in the 600+ question review queue)

Boris_yo

@Hennes Sleep

Braiam

@Boris_yo NOOOOOO! Now he won't sleep :/

Mr. I Don't Care

Believe it or not, I haven't even shut down my computer yet to install W8.1

Backup takes so long...

I have yet to understand why it takes so long to do any operation like Copy/Paste etc.

Braiam

01:24

because backups exists only for trolling you, the same as OS's, computers, servers and strangers in a chat room :P

Bob

@tapped-out Flags don't end up in the review queue... they end up in the moderator tools queue.

Mr. I Don't Care

@Braiam Well...

tapped-out

@Bob flags for closure end up in the review queue as of july

see this chat transcript

it's part of the reason (IMO) the close vote queue has gotten ridiculous. flags don't seem to expire

Braiam

mm... weird, I was sure flags gotten into the >10k/mod review queue, that decides if the flags proceed then pass to the review queue

but oh well, AU is faster managing flags... oddly enough

Ariane

01:47

Hey uhm. I just installed Ubuntu on a separate partition, and just like I wanted, there's no OS-choosing menu that delays startup. But there's a problem: When I press F11 for the boot menu, I can only select physical drives. I can't tell it to boot from the Linux partition. So ehm, what do I do?

Braiam

@Ariane Windows 8 was preinstalled?

Ariane

@Braiam Nope, I installed it myself. Why?

Or if you mean it was there before Ubuntu, yeah, it was.

Braiam

@Ariane how exactly you made that there weren't any os-choosing menu?

Ariane

@Braiam I didn't make it so. It just happened to be that way. I chose the custom partitioning option in the setup, and just put it on a new partition.

Braiam

I smell that you messed it up... what boots if you leave it alone?

Ariane

01:56

Windows.

Simon Sheehan

Install grub

Ariane

Ideally I'd want a manual option that always boots Windows unless I say otherwise. Does it allow that?

Simon Sheehan

Not necessarily, but you can put the timer down to 1 second or something

So it would still be fast

Braiam

nope if you don't install GRUB and configure it to do so

Bob

@tapped-out Ah, closure... I can't flag to close anymore, so... :P

Ariane

01:59

Well. I'll try just that then

Simon Sheehan

You would need 2 separate hard drives though

tapped-out

neither can i, but that's a more recent development for me than you

Bob

@Ariane well, if it's a MBR installation, not much

Simon Sheehan

since the F11 option or whatever is just selecting physical media - it doesn't know what a partition is

Braiam

@SimonSheehan why?

Bob

01:59

you get more choice if it were a GPT installation with UEFI

tapped-out

so there's still questions in the queue from my flagging days, and i can't VTC them :/

Braiam

UEFI?? you mean nightmarEFI?

Simon Sheehan

@Braiam Without using a bootloader such as GRUB, you can't choose between OS's properly, unless its on multiple drives, which isn't always convenient

Bob

You don't need to have GRUB as your default, either.

Windows' BOOTMGR is perfectly capable of chainloading GRUB, last I checked

Simon Sheehan

Well its up to you - I'd rather have 1 bootloader, not two that need chainloading

Ariane

02:01

@Bob Wasn't MBR an old, ancient thing that doesn't exist anymore in practical terms?

Bob

@SimonSheehan You always need to chainload two when you have both Windows and Linux.

GRUB can't load Windows directly - it chainloads BOOTMGR

Unless there's been a massive change recently.

Simon Sheehan

@Bob That's why im suggesting GRUB, as you can configure it more than bootmgr

Braiam

yeah, with GRUB you can configure the background image... :P

Bob

@SimonSheehan That's immaterial - if you want Windows to load by default, use BOOTMGR first and chainload GRUB from it.

It's far cleaner.

If you want a GRUB-managed OS to load first, use GRUB first and chainload BOOTMGR from it.

Ariane

.....GRUB's install instructions are absolutely cryptic for a Windows user.

Braiam

02:03

menuentry 'Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sdb1)' --class windows --class os $menuentry_id_option 'osprober-chain-AA64B45A64B42AC9' {
	insmod part_msdos
	insmod ntfs
	set root='hd1,msdos1'
	if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
	  search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd1,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd1,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci1,msdos1 --hint='hd1,msdos1'  AA64B45A64B42AC9
	else
	  search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root AA64B45A64B42AC9
	fi
	chainloader +1
}

Bob

If you have EasyBCD or Visual BCD Editor, chainloading to GRUB is very easy.

Braiam

isn't there a question somewhere about that? I can't seem to find it...

Bob

@Ariane Grab EasyBCD.

Add New Entry

Linux/BSD

Type: GRUB 2

Ariane

"Please like EasyBCD on Facebook to continue to your download.." Lucky I do have a Facebook account.

Bob

Actually, follow these instructions:

4

A: How can I add an entry for Ubuntu to the Windows 7 boot menu?

The procedure which has worked for me is outlined below. Did you perform the install of the NeoGrub bootloader in step (3)? If NeoGrub is installed then there will be a \NST folder on your C: drive. I think this step is sometimes left out of guides for setting up EasyBCD. Using EasyBCD to Boo...

@Ariane wtf

Braiam

02:07

second

Ariane

Ah it wasn't even required actually.

Braiam

btw @Ariane you should have installed grub in Ubuntu already or it will not work

Ariane

@Braiam How? I can't -boot- to Ubuntu.

Bob

@Ariane should've been installed by default

basically, the process we're going for is:

Ariane

@Bob Makes sense. I did see "grub" somewhere in the fast text that flashes in quick succession in the install.

Bob

02:10

Windows:
System => MBR => Windows BOOTMGR => Windows

Linux:
System => MBR => Windows BOOTMGR => GRUB => Linux OS

The alternative is to swap it around so GRUB goes first and chainloads BOOTMGR

I'd recommend that for a Linux-default install

It's often also used for a Windows-default install too, but I believe that's because most people don't know that BOOTMGR even can chainload another loader

Braiam

why the difference between a Linux default install? you can configure GRUB to boot into windows without problem IMHO

Ariane

I think it's because it's a "dirtier" approach. Because you need to go fetch a Linux piece of software to launch Windows, while Windows is your main anyway.

Bob

@Braiam Because it delays the booting process, breaks things (especially if you are on a UEFI boot) and has more potential for breaking in general - it's just more complex for your default to go through more steps

wouldn't be the first time someone complained Windows stopped booting after upgrading or uninstalling Linux

Braiam

GRUB_TIMEOUT=1 GRUB_DEFAULT=Windows FTW?

Bob

@Braiam you're still loading an additional piece of software, and that doesn't stop it from breaking things either

more than one report of issues hibernating from Windows when in such a configuration

Ariane

02:14

Sucks that Ubuntu can't be installed on an NTFS partition. Then the drive wouldn't appear empty from Windows, heh.

Bob

@Ariane you could install it to FAT32, but not recommended :P

better to keep it on ext

Ariane

Yeah, FAT32 is... Yeah.

Bob

@Braiam Another question is why not BOOTMGR?

Braiam

@Bob why BOOTMGR?

Ariane

Well, actually, the very best option would be for Windows to support more filesystems, but well.

Bob

02:15

@Braiam Because it's more straightforward and less buggy!

Braiam

windows = less buggy... you sure?

Ariane

@Braiam Because it's Windows software and just makes sense for loading Windows by default?

Bob

I just said that. For the last ten minutes or so.

@Braiam Yes I bloody well am sure.

Braiam

@Bob your opinion :P

Bob

Loading GRUB => BOOTMGR => Windows introduces bugs

simple as that

Braiam

02:16

@Bob where are the bug reports?

Bob

I will not get into a Linux vs Windows argument here

...

you're not even reading my messages are you

4 mins ago, by Bob

@Braiam Because it delays the booting process, breaks things (especially if you are on a UEFI boot) and has more potential for breaking in general - it's just more complex for your default to go through more steps

Braiam

nope :P

Bob

4 mins ago, by Bob

wouldn't be the first time someone complained Windows stopped booting after upgrading or uninstalling Linux

2 mins ago, by Bob

more than one report of issues hibernating from Windows when in such a configuration

Braiam

@Bob UEFI IS BROKEN!!

that was said all along for each distro

Bob

@Braiam No it's not.

UEFI is perfectly fine.

It's replacing a legacy system (do you have any idea how old BIOS/MBR is?) that's long overdue for replacement.

Ariane

02:18

@Braiam Windows being less buggy by nature is debatable and up to argumenting. What he's SAYING is that obviously Windows software (bootmgr) loading a Windows OS is going to work better than Linux software (GRUB) loading a Windows OS. Just the same way as it would be inefficient to load bootmgr first when your default OS is Linux. Understood?

Braiam

@Bob reactos.org/pita-bugs-part-3

Bob

It's not breaking, and it's on just about every system, working perfectly fine. It also has bear perfect legacy MBR support on the vast majority of systems.

@Braiam I would argue that ReactOS is broken.

Braiam

@Bob broken documentation + implementation = not the developer fault?

Bob

Skim reading, "As mentioned before, a literal number like 10 will be implicitly treated by the Microsoft C compiler as an int."

Ariane

Did you eat fight cereals this morning? You're awfully aggressive.

Bob

02:20

That's what these bloody things are for

Braiam

@Ariane who? :P

Ariane

You.

Braiam

when I've been aggresive?

Ariane

All along?

Braiam

I've not been here great deal of the day... due some circumstances... but that doesn't mean that I'm aggresive, I'm being argumentative

Ariane

02:22

Well to me those are roughly synonyms.

Braiam

...

Ariane

Anyway I'll test my new boot menu now. See you in a bit.

Bob

@Ariane There is one caveat to BOOTMGR-first: you won't be able to load GRUB/Linux while Windows is hibernated.

Depending on what you need, that may be a good or bad thing.

It's certainly far safer - simply mounting Windows while it's hibernated can destroy the file system

Braiam

ok, lets see it this way, UEFI promised to be the deal breaker of the boot loaders, but I don't see all the OS's being able to use UEFI easily

Ariane

Hi there! I'm on Ubuntu. (And actually this thing is way more comfortable to use than Mac OS).

(Even though I'm deeply troubled by how there's no taskbar. xD)

Anyway I wanted to ask, uhm.

Is there any way to access my Windows 8 partition from it without disabling fastboot (which would significantly increase boot time)? It would seriously be practical if there were.

@Bob This is probably related to the issue you speak of: I think fastboot is essentially a form of hibernation that completely replaces a "normal" shutdown.

I guess not.

Aw well.

Okay uhm I'm back on Windows.

Mr. I Don't Care

02:44

Wassup All?! Finally on Windows 8.1! :)

Ariane

Hi.

Mr. I Don't Care

Sup?

Bob

@Ariane uhm, yea, that could actually be a problem

fast boot shuts down user stuff and hibernates the kernel

Ariane

@Bob Apparently it's impossible. No matter.

Bob

@Ariane you'd need to turn off fast boot or force a full shutdown (shutdown -s from command line) to boot to Linux, if BOOTMGR is first

@Ariane Use Kubuntu

KDE feels much nicer than Unity and even GNOME (to me) :P

Ariane

02:46

I just need an external OS. Not gonna fiddle with what I prefer :p

Bob

Kubuntu is essentially Ubuntu with KDE

Ariane

Again the only reason I needed Ubuntu was to delete system files.

Bob

it's otherwise the same thing :P

@Ariane ah, better to do a CD or USB boot, then...

Ariane

@Bob Yeah but that requires looking around and stuff. Felt like installing it.

Right now I'm trying to figure out why, when I choose Ubuntu on the menu, it restarts the computer (with the motherboard splash screen again) and then takes me to GRUB which asks me to select Ubuntu again.

Bob

looking around? o.O

Ariane

02:47

For the disc. xD

Bob

brb installing 79 "important" updates

Ariane

Waaait. D:

Bob

I'll hop on the other computer in a bit

Ariane

That's gonna take half a century. Any idea how I can tell it to just shut up and throw Ubuntu at me instead of asking me the same question again?

Oh okay then.

Bob

@Ariane where are you selecting Ubuntu?

UEFI menu or Windows bootloader menu?

Ariane

02:50

Windows menu. The big stylized screen with big icons.

Bob

downloading 800 MB of updates D:

Ariane

Haha.

Bob

@Ariane it loads GRUB which asks you again?

Ariane

Yes.

Loads GRUB after completely rebooting and showing me the motherboard splash screen again.

Bob

hm. @Braiam seems to know how to tell GRUB to jump straight into its default option without a long wait

@Ariane that might be an artifact of how the chainloading is done

not sure if chainloading from GRUB would do something similar or not

Braiam

02:52

@Bob mm?

Ariane

I don't wanna do it anyway. :p

Braiam

O_O

not gonna to read the backlog to get an idea and make assumptions :P

Ariane

@Braiam Basically after the Windows bootloader shoots me over to GRUB after I chose Ubuntu, GRUB once again asks me to choose Ubuntu, and I'd like to prevent that.

So we're wondering if you'd know a way to tell GRUB to just shut up and throw Ubuntu at me when you cal lfor it.

Braiam

you booted Ubuntu right now?

Ariane

Nope.

Braiam

02:56

reboot and get into ubuntu

Ariane

Do I have something special to do in GRUB's menu? Because at that point we won't be in contact.

Braiam

nope, just booting into Ubuntu will do

Ariane

Okay, see you in a bit then

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