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12:00 AM
@Juhele I just ignored it and went on, but were peoples accounts tied to live in such a way that if they had the Live log-in they could also get to the other mails?
or did they get hacked for every account they had , the same way they got hacked for the one, like only one pass word?
 
@Psycogeek In fact I do not have any information about this. We always used other browser than IE and also other SW than the MS ones. And I never had Hotmail account so I do not know anything about their security.
 
@Juhele How Cloud based is it? if they make a server change would the program need to be updated to function? or can the "local" aspects of it be held in place? because with cloud stuff, they update thing more often. so you hack it today, and 3 months later the changes you make are tossed out?
 
@Psycogeek I do not want to hack the email - just the GUI of the client. :-)
 
originally that was the stevie and billy idea of "the cloud" was to run the programs themselves off the web, so the "version" could change daily on a whim , by the corporation, and everyone would get the same thing.
@Juhele Right, change the gui, and i am wondering if you change it, how long it would stay that way :-)
 
@Psycogeek It scares me a little - this is exactly what the communists said - the same for all people.
@Psycogeek Ok, we will see. I will surely backup the modified version and if necessary we can disable updates :-)
 
12:13 AM
@Juhele did you take a "resources hack" look into the Dlls for this live version?
 
not yet, currently doing a preliminary exploration.
 
@Juhele simple change the font size things, are few and far between now. because of the bringing together of the DPI change, the Overall change of the system DPI that more of the programs follow.
 
But a friend had a "hacked" windows explorer with funny messages some time ago in XP so it should be possible.
 
@Juhele there is more added issues of deeper locking, and hard linking, it will be interesting to see how that effects making changes, when much of the purpose of it is to stop changes :-)
 
@Psycogeek Unfortunately, in a settings I cannot fully adjust the used fonts and colors - for list of emails (inbox etc) I have only about 5 choices and the "biggest" font is still too small.
 
12:21 AM
@Juhele thats easy, sue Ms for lack of accessibility :-) Does the user have the full screen zoom thing?
 
Yeah, she has.
@Psycogeek hehe, would be better to donate the money to someone to write a fully accessible OE replacement for W7 than putting the money to the court :-D
Ooops, I have to go back into the coffin, it begins to dawn :-D
 
I piddle with Text to speech. not the narrator style because it is obnoxious, and not the horrrible voices that ms has stock. with a good voice, wonder if having the main brunt of the text read outloud would be a relief. even if getting to it takes magnifications?
 
@Juhele Alpine in the second screenshot is not so much "hardcore" as "hasn't changed any since being created in 1989". They can look better: i.imgur.com/OFUDg.png or i.imgur.com/MKxC8.png
 
@grawity: its the oldskool unix style with obscure bizzare keystroke combinations ;p
 
@grawity just curious - is it possible to use lets say Arial 16 Bold for both inbox and messages?
 
12:34 AM
@Juhele as a vim user, I don't find "d" for deletion too bizzare
 
@Psycogeek Narrator is another toy trying to look like "accessibility is also important for us" There is also NVDA which is relatively good. But the user needs to combine voice and magnifier and thus bought Zoomtext.
@grawity No problem for me. Are those "text buttons" also "mouse clickable" or you have to only use the keystrokes presented there?
 
@Juhele Arial - probably not; that's the downside of terminals. (Although you can zoom the heck in, i.imgur.com/LHI3S.png).
If you're looking for a client that could do this, Thunderbird comes to mind...
(Firefox and Thunderbird are styleable with CSS, given some googleage)
 
@grawity unfortunately I cannot use TB in this case: superuser.com/questions/391355/outlook-express-in-win7
 
Anyone know c++ here?
 
@Juhele In Alpine the bottom menu is actually clickable. In Mutt there aren't even "buttons".
ah, I see
... I wonder if webmail would work with screen readers?
 
12:42 AM
@grawity Webmail is ok - Firefox is accesible. But there are situations you do not have internet access - in this case very often as the connection is slow and poor and sometimes it is very useful to download mail at school and later read it at home.
@soandos sorry, just know it exists :-)
 
@Juhele ms should be sued :-) for the way narrator works in windows 7 . sorry about the off topic. but i fired it up and can not possibly understand how a blind person could tell anything with it.
 
the narrator is just a bad joke If you compare it with NVDA. They probably wanted to show that they do not ignore impaired users but did not wanted to give enough money to manage something usable.
I was also little bit disappointed by the way AI Squared (Zoomtext creator) does the support - they forum is almost dead and they reply very slowly. For SW which costs more almost 1000 USD...
sorry, have to leave. Good night
 
i think they should go back to XP :-) it wasnt the option, but the simplicity of it, might help
 
@soandos What are you working on?
 
I wrote a c++ program for class that uses regexes
 
12:54 AM
@Psycogeek Oh Lord. If you don't like something, sue. . .
 
those are contained in std::tr1
When I compile, it says it can't find the namespace (basically, but the error message is :"test1.cpp:1: error: âtr1â is not a namespace-name
test1.cpp:1: error: expected namespace-name before â;â token
"
 
@surfasb i live in california, in the US, if there is not a ramp for a wheelchair , they put one in. or the shut down the business. not my rules .
 
@Psycogeek Has nothing to do with screen readers.
@soandos Your includes?
 
none
 
@surfasb why do you think they are there? check out some of the accessability groups, there is millions of dollers being supplied by the us goverment taxpayer to make accessable.
 
12:58 AM
@soandos You need to include it I think. At least the last time I checked. Since tr1 isn't technically part of the library but an extension.
 
the sue part was with smiley, as in joke. the quantity of money spent by taxpayers in the us , much of which creates token accessability for that money. is probably not as funny.
 
@surfasb, how would I do that?
 
@soandos That, I'm not sure.
Maybe <regex>, or <tr1/regex>
 
Regex is in tr1 (std::tr1::regex)
 
You doing this in VS or GCC?
 
1:13 AM
@soandos What do the first lines of your cpp file look like?
 
@surfasb @TomWijsman so I tried g++ first, and the first line was using namespace std::tr1; that failed
It does compile in VCC though
ugh
 
Huh, using namespace without an #include list above it?
 
I don't need one I don't think...
 
If you are going to do an using namespace you first must have included the namespace somehow.
 
It is the same thing if I put the list first (#include <iostream>
#include <fstream>
#include <string>)
 
1:16 AM
Yeah, but that list doesn't provide you with the TR1 stuff you need.
 
Well the using namespace line is supposed to do that no?
Or is that wrong?
 
The namespace is just like aliasing.
It doesn't actually include the header file.
 
Err... Scratch that previous explanation, not conform to translation units.
 
I have no idea the include statement you need. My guess was <regex>
 
Got it
@surfasb testing
 
1:19 AM
@soandos You are working inside a declarative region where you place namespaces, global variables and functions in.
> The keyword using is used to introduce a name from a namespace into the current declarative region. For example:
But, you first need to introduce that namespace inside your declarative region, and you do that by including the file that contains it.
And by including, all namespaces, global variables and functions from that file get included. As well as some other things like typedefs and so on...
 
So you are saying to use std::tr1, I need some include frist?
 
@soandos Yeah.
 
But in order to be able to use things that are in a namespace in the current file you either need to do using namespace X or prepned the variable/function/class with`X::`.
 
@surfasb, <regex> does not do the trick
 
@soandos using namespace std::tr1; just allows you to leave off the std::tr1 of the regex.
@soandos Time to look up where this regex is. . .
 
1:22 AM
The thing is the code compiles just fine in VCC
but I need it to compile in g++
 
#include <regex>
using namespace std::tr1;
If that doesn't work, it's not in your version of TR1 yet.
 
Is there a way to download something so that it will be?
 
@TomWijsman That could be it.
@soandos You can download the boost library.
Or whatever the cool kids use these days.
Been forever since I've done C++
 
Got it
 
1:25 AM
btw, how could I do something what will do "replace all instances of a,b,c with e" Withough doing 3 replaces?
 
So, as surfasb said, boost is the current way to go. As they're planning on porting them from there anyway.
 
@TomWijsman, got it
 
std::string str = "Let's sing ABC, trying to replace A, B and C by E.";
std::tr1::regex rx("a|b|c");
std::string replacement = "e";
std::string str2 = std::tr1::regex_replace(str, rx, replacement);
 
so the pipe is used, thank you
 
It might be that std::tr1::regex rx("[a|b|c]*"); has better performance, I'm unsure about that as I haven't tested it.
regular-expressions.info has a good quick-start and tutorial.
 
1:30 AM
I really need to learn regex at some point
 
.replace(/\b([A-Za-z]+)(\.|\?|\!)[ ]+([a-z])/gi, function(_, word, one, two) { return word + one + ' ' + two.toUpperCase(); })
This is the hardest I wrote so far, corrects first letters of a sentence.
.replace(/(?:, |many )?(?:thank|k?thn?x(?:bye)?)(?:s|(?: |-)you)?(?: (?:so|very) much)?(?:\s?(?:,|-)(?:[\w\s]+)| :-?\)| a lot| and regards| for(?: any| the)? (?:help|ideas)| in advance)?[.|!]?/i, '')
This is one written by George (I think), which I might or might not have slightly adjusted.
Dunno what the : does, haven't looked into that yet. but the rest pretty much makes sense.
As it starts with ?: every time I think it might be a modifier to denote that there could possibly be upper case letters.
/i makes the regex match case insensitive.
 
?: is the trinary operator maybe?
if true, do nothing, else?
 
(?modifiers:) <-- As he doesn't specify a modifier in here, it's case sensitive. Seem I was right after all... Yay.
Oh, I was wrong.
> You have probably noticed the resemblance between the modifier span and the non-capturing group (?:group). Technically, the non-capturing group is a modifier span that does not change any modifiers. It is obvious that the modifier span does not create a backreference.
It's to not let it result in a backreference.
 
Hey all, does anyone know where I could find the percentages of php webdeveloper firms that use Mac vs Windows?
 
Not the foggiest
 
1:40 AM
I don't know what stack exchange site to aske the question really.
 
In any case, the (?:) constructs are useless I think...
 
stackoverflow?
 
@sabgenton, it would be off topic on all of them
 
there must be some one out there with some stats
 
@sabgenton: As soandos said, I'm afraid that I have to say "none".
 
1:41 AM
@TomWijsman, I know nothing about this
 
darn
any ideas who to ask?
 
Me neither, I'm just wondering. But don't want to try now.
@sabgenton I don't really think that OS does really matter when you are developing, does it?
 
a broader forum out there?
well there unix backend and bash shell made think people who want to script more roundedly on there php webservers would make mac the choice
 
@sabgenton You're only going to find subjective personal meanings on forums and chats. The reason Stack Exchange doesn't allow this type of question is because it can't give an objective answer* to that...
 
hmm
know of any statics web sites for that sorta thing?
 
1:44 AM
No, I don't. Search engine is your best bet I guess... :(
But my advice to you is that you shouldn't follow the main stream and rather look at what your requirements are and what OS fits that the best.
 
@sabgenton You should hunt down a web hosting company. Anyone with that kind of very useful and very costly to collect information isn't likely to give it out for free.
Or some consulting company
 
hmmm, wondering how people get email on their phones? do most people use IMAP? or POP3?
IMAP seems horrifically slow
and if you download just headers, that's fine - until you have to download the message... then it takes forever - even on a PC
 
2:09 AM
@studiohack I'm using IMAP, it goes fast.
How big is your e-mail inbox though? What service are you using?
I'm trying to keep up to the Inbox Zero principle and am using Windows Live, only 430 messages in my Inbox.
Clippy... :/
 
@TomWijsman Yahoo! Mail. around 250ish emails in my inbox
takes forever to sync just the inbox in send/receive
 
Totally no experience with that. But could be Yahoo specific...
 
@TomWijsman you should be using MAPI - it's better than IMAP
 
Oh wait, are you syncing the whole inbox? Could take a moment yeah.
What's the difference?
On my WP7 I have selected to keep the mail of the last X days, so that probably made it also a bit shorter.
 
yeah, it is syncing the whole thing... how can I just have it check for changes/unread messages? @TomWijsman MAPI is more automated
 
2:13 AM
Also, if you can make sure you are on Wifi and not on a mobile connection.
 
@TomWijsman On mine, I might have it keep all mail, but just download the headers
 
Did you just buy a WP7, or?
 
@TomWijsman I am on wifi, in Outlook on my computer... trying to learn IMAP in preparation for a WP
 
Oh, your computer.
Mine also just downloads the headers.
 
point is, for around 300 messages, it takes several minutes to sync all that. doesn't that run up the data bill?
 
2:15 AM
Yeah, that would run up. I have just disabled my data connection.
 
and all those messages are fully downloaded (I think), so why would it take so long after the initial download?
 
Only using it in emergency occasions...
 
@TomWijsman how does that work?
 
Just tick it off.
I've set my Wifi always on, I'm always near Wifi anyway.
 
so you don't pay for data or is that a mail specific thing?
 
2:17 AM
So every half hour it checks for mails and that kind of things.
@studiohack No, you go to settings -> provider thing -> tick off data connection
Then you can only call / SMS and any data usage is disallowed.
So if I'm out in the open world, I first would have to go to tick that on before I have access to the internet.
 
@TomWijsman interesting...
that will come in handy @TomWijsman - as that will help me control my email/data usage more
 
I'm not on a data plan, so under 50 MB it's the same costs as a data plan, from 50 - 500 MB it costs like 4 times as much and above 500 MB it's just crazy.
 
interesting. here, we have to pay data plan for smartphones
 
So far I've only browsed one page and checked bing maps (some images) in car, tried it at home to see if I could see my data usage somehow (but I can't) tried browsing a bit at a random moment where I was bored and that's that.
So, will see at the end of the month how much I've used.
 
@TomWijsman isn't there an app or something for data usage?
 
2:20 AM
A few MB or so, shouldn't be much.
@studiohack: My brother can just enter a code for that. But I'm in a business group so it's charged monthly...
No application available for our provider.
Tempting to switch to mobilevikings.com/en
 
@studiohack if you have an android phone you are likely just to use there gmail app
 
2 GB and 1000 + 1000 SMS and good calling rates for 15 euro a month.
 
@TomWijsman interesting
 
I'm so excited:-) I'm in the process of backing up a system, so I can start a Ubuntu server for my house:-)
 
haha @Pearsonartphoto
@TomWijsman not bad
 
2:22 AM
Mobile Vikings has an app, so that's nice as well.
 
I've wanted to have a server for a while, but I now finally have enough computers that one of them is a spare, so...
 
It's for the mobile internetters that surf more than they call / SMS.
But well, I barely have the need of mobile internet at the moment; so while it's tempting to switch I'm not sure if I would really need it.
 
@Pearsonartphoto have a look at Amahi Home Server . free - use it myself, works really well. they build it off Fedora - but have a Ubuntu version out/beta/in the works
 
Hmmm, will look into it.
 
ah, sorry for all the pings. :P
 
2:25 AM
We have one at our computer store, Server 2008 R2.
 
I'm not really wanting something like that, yet...
 
@Pearsonartphoto oh, more basic, like a file server?
 
I want to set up a code repository, SQL server, web server, etc.
 
neat! I don't think I could do that if I tried.
 
Did I just get a clippy?
 
2:27 AM
@Pearsonartphoto probably :P
 
I had no idea such a thing could happen here... Wow...
 
17 mins ago, by Tom Wijsman
Clippy... :/
 
@Pearsonartphoto it is our Easter Egg :P
 
Nice work.
How long has that been a feature?
I want to see what happens when I type this...
 
How can I get Clippy to appear and make me mad?
that works.
 
2:32 AM
LOL.
Is it only here, or does it work in other rooms as well?
 
Only here @Pearsonartphoto - I mentioned that it is SU chat's easter egg
gaming has a different one - go there and type insert coin on it's own line
3
@Pearsonartphoto, @TomWijsman ----^
 
Well, you said our, so...
Wasn't sure if it was SE, or SU...
 
@Pearsonartphoto my bad
How could i tell outlook to download all headers and messages but NOT attachments?
 
Clippy, WHY U NO multiple lines?
 
And now the chat room is no doubt destroyed...
 
2:37 AM
Hahaha that was awesome
 
did you insert coin? :P
hey @SimonSheehan
 
@studiohack heya! hows it going?
 
@SimonSheehan not bad. figuring out/experimenting with IMAP is a nightmare :P
 
@studiohack Aha. If you want a break from it, I've got a bunch of flags that no ones touched ;)
 
I can't tell yet if it takes forever for IMAP to sync after the initial download of all existing messages or if it's just slow the first time :P
 
2:39 AM
@studiohack Its slow the first time :P Or so it seems for me.
 
@SimonSheehan yay! thanks :P
 
@studiohack Knew you'd like that :P
 
@SimonSheehan what flags? ;)
 
watches helpful flags rise
@studiohack Speed as ever!
 
@SimonSheehan do you use IMAP on your phone or your computer?
 
2:40 AM
Eh well... I'll just refer to:
 
@SimonSheehan :P that's my trademark :P
 
Feb 2 at 16:54, by Tom Wijsman
user image
 
@studiohack I use it between 3 machines and my iPod touch.
 
@SimonSheehan nice! doing this to prepare for a windows phone in a month or so...
 
I think it disallows an empty line or so, dunno why Clippy isn't triggering this time.
 
2:40 AM
I did insert coin, as a matter of fact.
 
BAM!
I keep restarting outlook. I make a mistake or it's too slow, and it locks up
 
\_____________________________     I'M A SAD TROMBONE
/   ____________!_______!_____)
   (________||______               THE BRASS INSTRUMENT NO ONE LIKES
FR
 
                                  /^^^/           /]
                                 /   ]           / ]
      O                  _______/    ]___       /  ]
                        /                \_____/   /
   O                  _/   [@]  \ \                \
           ___//_    /..         | |  studiohack    ]
    o     / flags\ /   VVVvvv\    | |         _/\    ]
      O<  )___\\_/ \         |               /    \  ]
                     AAA^^^^^              /       \]
                      \_________\   \_____/
There a wild @studiohack attacking some flags in open water.
 
HAHAHAHAHA!
that's epic!
 
2:45 AM
added the permalink to OneNote @SimonSheehan :P
 
:P awesome
 
IMAP is fast! once synced the initial time. gonna have to let my mail sync overnight, I've got so much
 
Hmmm... Wonder how I might be able to request a chat room easter egg...
The trick is, what to request... Hmmm...
 
@Pearsonartphoto Send an email to balpha I think, hes our chat expert
 
correct.
 
2:47 AM
K, will keep that in mind.
 
has your site graduated yet @Pearsonartphoto?
 
SFF, and yes.
I guess I'll call that my site:-)
 
I thought it graduated a while ago :)
 
About 2 months ago.
 
@Pearsonartphoto then yes, ask for a graduated site.
@Pearsonartphoto impressive! congrats!
 
2:48 AM
they get a nice theme too :(
 
I'll call it mine, as the second F was largely my fault;-)
I do like our theme a lot:-)
 
I wish we got a less ugly theme one day. But I doubt it.
 
@SimonSheehan Sharepoint rules. best SE theme yet.
 
They do have a nice one :D
 
Now if we could come up with a fun one for the Teacher's Lounge... Hmmm...
 
2:50 AM
Why must SU be the ugly duckling :/
 
@Pearsonartphoto wrong place ;)
@SimonSheehan that means SO & SF are ugly as well :P
 
@studiohack They are! stupid trilogy theme :p
 
I suppose it would be more interesting there.
@studiohack: You said it;-)
 
SO can keep its theme becaues its low bandwidth and all, but SU needs a revamp!
 
Actually, SF is probably the best of the trio...
 
2:52 AM
Fake one-box failed... Worth trying though.
 
@SimonSheehan SU is minimalist. some people love that :P
personally, I'm used to it. I like it. wouldn't mind a cool revamp though
 
@studiohack :p fair enough
 
Statistics for my blog which only has a few posts, last one was in 2010-04. :(
I'm thinking of writing really short news posts, personal projects and so on, somehow...
And doing the longer serious stuff on the Super User Blog. :)
Never thought my blog out very well though. :P
 
When syncing folders (other than the Inbox) in IMAP, do I have to add the folders to the send & receive list? or just the subscribed list?
 
My introducing post is false, my developer post still applies, Pivot has stopped and only some controls were adopted into Silverlight, FF 4.0 improvements is outdated, never heard again of ICE panorama, Harmony still works (amazingly) and Cadmus also stopped back then with improving their services.
Should've selected another mode for the keyboard, and well, straigter lines could've helped.
@studiohack: Procrastination++
 
3:16 AM
@TomWijsman lol
 
3:45 AM
Wanted the animation to be faster, but well... It's fine too now because the horse sitting on the fish makes it slower.
And with that, off to sleep. Night...
PS: Don't blame me, this is my first pixel animation and I'm not good at drawing anyway. :P
 
4:04 AM
lol
 
4:15 AM
@TomWijsman hahahahaha :P
 
4:46 AM
I like SU's clean and simple design. And no offense @Pearsonartphoto but SFF's design is hard to look at. It's pretty, sure, but distracting. OMG the chat styling... my brain, it hurtsss
 

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