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1:05 AM
I feel questions like these are just asking for a distro war
 
@SimonSheehan: To me, all distributions are equal given that you can install the hardware support yourself. Closing for not constructive...
 
@TomWijsman Indeed, most of the stuff is kernel side afaik.
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1:33 AM
Haha i love Nvidia driver install
First it shuts off my GPU with a click, then it goes VROOOOOOOOOOM starting up again
 
 
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3:16 AM
@WilliamHilsum: Remember I said something about the front page users, I think it changed again. It now says:
These users asked the most up-voted questions on this page.
In the beginning it was like that, but then there was a moment where it has been random. (Remember that I mentioned Quack Quixote)
 
 
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4:47 AM
@WilliamHilsum bahaha why in there?
@TomWijsman ... it's been around for a while...
 
good work @sandos! :)
 
 
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6:06 AM
ahahahhahah this is hilarious! > If PHP Were British - http://t.co/85hF4uQ
4
 
HAHA
perchance (£condition) {
// Code here
} otherwise {
// Code here
}
 
yay, almost polished off my pile of books to read before school starts...
@Gareth: there's nothing more amusing than what people deem to be proper british english. which is to say very posh victorian english ;p
 
when I was in Seattle earlier this month, they went out of their way to take me to a 'crumpet shop' to appeal to my British sensibilities
I had to point out that the very idea of a crumpet shop is un-British
just shove 'em in your toaster!
 
I love listening to people attempt to put on a British accent here. Then I go home on Skype/Ventrilo/Mumble and hear a real accent, and everyone's way off it :p
 
that's because as @JourneymanGeek pointed out, everyone thinks we speak like Victorians
the accents in the UK are tremendously diverse - even cities a couple of miles apart can be quite different
and dialects too
 
6:19 AM
@Gareth I actually loved this:
    would_you_mind {
        // Code here
    } actually_i_do_mind (Exception £e) {
        // Politely move on
        cheerio('Message');
}
 
haha
of course, cheerio() is also known by the alias function toodle_pips()
 
hahahhahah :D
 
what foreigners miss when they imitate a British accent is how much swearing we do, and how much slang we use
as compared to just doing yet another Victorian accent
 
:D
 
blame the Anglo Saxons :D
 
6:22 AM
btw did you upload the video?
 
not yet - need to process it a bit as the colour is blown out (thanks to beijing's infamous white sky)
 
@Gareth aha
 
and maybe edit out the bit where a guy pulled out of a junction and nearly killed me, and I swear at him about 20 times
 
@Gareth no, no, no, no don't do that :D
I want to hear a Brit swear :D
 
drivers here are serious idiots - they think that because they're in a car, they're a class above everyone else
 
6:24 AM
@Gareth but, what happened?
 
it's a big problem because there weren't many cars here in the past
well I was going along the main highway and in the bike lane, going straight ahead
he pulled out and expected me to stop from my ridiculously fast speed - and basically he forced me into the main road (out of the bike lane) where you're not even allowed to go on a bike
so I slowed down right in front of him, turned round, and swore in English and Chinese
he basically pulled out when he should have waited
the reality is, there are no 'rules' in Beijing - the only one people seem to care about is stopping at a red light
 
ouch
 
after that, it's every man for himself
 
seems just like here in India
 
you get people driving on the pavements etc :)
 
6:26 AM
:D
that plus brainless idiots too
 
but yeah, I like shouting at them and making a point of what they've done because the locals would rarely do that
they'd be quite intimidated and think "this guy must be rich" or something
sometimes they laugh at me because I'm swearing at them in Chinese and I'm a foreigner... I guess it could be funny
but sometimes they genuinely look horrified
I hope they can't sleep for 8 days!
 
Major traffucking in/around Guindy/Katheepara. Dumbarses are blocking way made for ambulances as well
@Gareth amen.
 
I guess I understand it though
there's no long history of driving here
 
@Gareth in our case its the other way around. we have cyclists who think its fine to ride along the expressways... 4-5 abreast.. or this particular street where traffic laws arn't understood ;p
 
not outside the 'exclusive' ranks
jeez, really?
 
6:29 AM
eh, chinese is a lovely language to swear in
 
have they got a death wish?
@JourneymanGeek hell yeah! Sha Bi!
 
eh, my chinese swearing is dialect, specifically hokkien
a dialect that's specifically made for wonderful sounding swearing, i'm certain
 
haha
 
@Gareth: its usually those 'serious' cyclists... yanno, cycling vests, expensive bikes...
 
ugh
I've got one of the cheapest bikes I could find just because I don't want it to get nicked!
you could hear it squeaking a bit on the video I recorded
 
6:32 AM
its china... i'm quite sure they have VERY cheap bikes
has nothing against sensible cyclists
 
what's a good hokkien insult then? (I guess in pinyin)
 
hmm
I hope you caught that.
 
haha yeah
 
i'd warn you, though, if you get the inflection wrong, people start laughing...
 
mine would be: (mixed with a bit of english for extra effect)
 
6:33 AM
I got ordered to swear in the army, so i used to do it in the thickest fake british accent i could
 
what I found surprising is if I want a bigger effect, it's better swearing in English (especially angry loud sweary English) than in Chinese
I get :O instead of :o
 
hahah
 
XD
i can't swear in tamil. I was brought up in polite society.
 
:)
 
@JourneymanGeek sure.....
 
6:36 AM
@Sathya: eh, I swear we picked up subconciously on the most annoyingly prudish bits of victorian culture
and the thricedamned elitism... lucky we don't have an empire to spread that around.
 
lol
 
@Sathya @JourneymanGeek Hello people.
 
hey @Borisyo
 
hi @boris
 
6:39 AM
I am trying to setup VPN tunnel. What i must type in IP/Domain?
 
@Gareth: having been in britian, i have no clue how that lot could have been victorian...
 
@Gareth Hello
 
whatever your VPN server is.
 
money
it was a held back society, but very rich!
 
@JourneymanGeek Internet modem or my wireless NIC?
 
6:40 AM
no, whatever the VPN server is.
@Gareth : prolly had all sorts of nefarious, scandalous and downright.. not done things happening under the surface
 
yeah absolutely. any society that's like that will inevitably have an underground culture to go with it
and look at how they treated kids - so long as they had big industry growth etc
 
a little like china ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek But i though my laptop is VPN server.
 
I was going to say - China is the new British Empire ;)
 
@Borisyo: i have no idea what your setup is.
but if it is, the IP address of your laptop.
 
6:42 AM
@JourneymanGeek I want to setup VPN through control panel in W7.
 
globally accessable, naturally, with necessary ports forwarded.
@Borisyo: what VPN server?
i recall windows 7 would be PPTP
 
@JourneymanGeek The one that W7 allows me to setup. But how can somebody connect to it from external IP?
 
@Borisyo: i think you just connect to the ip of the server, and use a username and password that's on the server too
@Gareth: least they pay rather than conquer, unless you're too nearby to bother.
 
@JourneymanGeek You mean i need to type in domain everytime i want to connect to different website?
 
6:48 AM
no, you should not. you'd just have to connect to the VPN server once
 
@JourneymanGeek I entered my Wireless NIC IP and received 800 Error.
 
eh, why do you need a VPN in the same network?
@Borisyo: is there a VPN server running on the laptop? also, why a VPN between systems on the same network?
 
@JourneymanGeek In order to create VPN network i also need VPN server?
 
first would be why do you need a VPN
 
6:54 AM
@JourneymanGeek I wanted to setup VPN on my laptop so i can connect to it while travelling and access website securely.
@JourneymanGeek Connect to it from ANOTHER public computer.
Connect to my home laptop that has VPN setup.
 
and you're using the IP address for your laptop.. as opposed to your router?
and wireless for ANY server is Bad.
not reliable enough
...
@Borisyo: yes, you need a VPN server.
 
@JourneymanGeek So IP of my router and not IP of my NIC?
@JourneymanGeek My home laptop may never be VPN server without special service running?
 
sigh set up server. forward ports to server. router ip.
@Borisyo: absolutely not.
 
How do i know if my router has built-in VPN server?
 
DDWRT has a specific build with it
 
7:01 AM
My router is EDIMAX and not Cisco.
 
you could.. google the model and check if it has VPN
but no, most routers prolly would not have VPN built in
 
Something is not right... Error 800.
Scheme: External computer > My router > My VPN server > My router > Internet

Do i get this?
 
no
that's not how VPN works
you want a proxy
 
Proxy = VPN server?
 
(correct me if i'm wrong here) a VPN just lets you connect to a lan from a external system as if it was on the lan
 
7:07 AM
@Boris_yo nope
 
hi @studiohack
 
@JourneymanGeek you're correct
 
@JourneymanGeek Yes he is.
I don't understand what proxy has to do with it.
 
@Gareth hey :)
thanks again for the heads up, I had a bug with how IE was dealt with
 
@Borisyo: you're trying to tunnel your stuff through your own system for privacy's sake, yes?
 
7:09 AM
how's the editing coming? why the sudden flood this week? ;) @Gareth
 
np :) just thought I'd let you know before someone else went mental and quit SU or whatever
 
@Gareth yeah...sadly, that happens
 
actually been making this number of edits for a few weeks now! just trying to clean up all the images - I come across so many broken ones these days
 
@Gareth: blah, if anyone did it, it simply means they weren't awesome enough for SU ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Yes
 
7:10 AM
@Gareth yup been running across a few lately - I try to correct some of them when I see them, sometimes I can fix it, sometimes not
 
@Borisyo: proxy = tunnel your internet connection through another system. VPN = securely connect to a lan. You can run a proxy in the VPN tho - which is what many vpn providers do, i suspect.
 
yeah - I do my best with Tineye and Google to try and restore any broken ones. pretty tough sometimes
 
also, editing all these old posts from the past brings up a lot of junk that is good for a moderator to look at and clean up (like delete old closed posts)
 
yeah exactly - I'm trying to do that as well, but as I pointed out to @nhinkle I'm only human :) at least it's a good side effect of the edits bumping onto the front page
 
yeah @Gareth... I wonder how many users are feeling at the moment, since you and I have been editing such a storm lately ;)
 
7:12 AM
I'm guessing for every 500 edits I make, one user quits ;)
 
@Gareth HA. I find that very ironic
 
meh, their loss. the SE network is a great place
 
@JourneymanGeek i.imgur.com/Tes2O.jpg
 
@Boris_yo no... the stuff you put in there to connect to a specific VPN is very specific
 
@Borisyo: without a VPN server set up, that does nothing whatsoever
even with one, i'm not sure you can just tunnel your net connection through it
 
7:18 AM
@JourneymanGeek Got it, i just need VPN service to start on my laptop.
And connect to it i.e my NIC.
Now where can i download this service...
 
hm. if you have no idea what you're doing.. openvpn is fairly well documented and runs on windows
or.. write a question with your requirements! ;p
or hamachi... if you REALLY have no clue
 
8:13 AM
@Gareth FYI, I wouldn't bother editing any questions that are closed... only edit if they are closed as an exact duplicate... anything else is probably a waste of your time, as it will eventually get deleted. keep up the good work! :)
 
well... if they're not edited then the questions wouldn't surface and they'll just hang around being crap questions. So I guess by them being bumped you guys see them and can go ahead and delete.
and potentially they could be reopened :) (Unlikely though)
 
@Gareth I'd hate for you to waste your time though, I feel bad about deleting stuff that you just edited (and true, therefore bumped)
 
it's fine, I don't mind. Please go ahead! it helps clean the site
I'm not doing it for any other reason than cleaning the site
 
@Gareth thanks! we notice :)
 
8:36 AM
Quack is now 2nd! :)
 
@studiohack You here?
 
about to leave @Borisyo - I'm super low on energy, don't think I can answer questions right now... sorry :(
 
@studiohack How can i forward to PPTP port to VPN ifi have DHCP>
?
 
@Borisyo: i really (hint hint) think this is proper question material
chat's good for quick answers, but you're probably going to need the whole song and pony dance.
 
 
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10:58 AM
@WilliamHilsum Awesome hack, really. Need to remember this!
@TomWijsman That must be around since ... a long time :P
 
@Gareth remember that you can vote to close yourself! No need to flag a question as a dupe
 
@Ivo I know - I was just being lazy ;) actually if you check I think I had voted to close, but nobody saw it because it's old
I just hadn't posted it in the "close chat room"
 
well we do check the tools for votes sometimes, but they can get lost there @Gareth
 
@Gareth You making me do your work instead is not the best way of being lazy :P
 
I think I'd VTC about a week ago on it and randomly came across it again today, I'd forgotten about it
 
11:02 AM
I guess the tools get messy with invalid VTC items
 
so at least it's closed now (I'm guessing)
 
It is :)
 
it wasn't just a dupe of a similar question but a double post IIRC
 
@IvoFlipse Yup, they do :/
 
back when I wasn't a mod, we only had a handful using them, so there probably were never more than 10 flags active
 
11:04 AM
btw, just being curious, do you mods like to keep a list of new users to follow?
 
@slhck nope
there's only the /review tools
 
@slhck you should bring up that kriegs... guy. I think you had a valid concern there
 
@Gareth I think this particular user's gone now (?)
 
ah
nuked hopefully!
pretty lame using a name like that
 
actually I hope during the contest some of the vets will help out newbies, by leaving more comments or by editing their posts so they get more upvotes
 
11:06 AM
yeah I told this user earlier today, so let's see :)
 
he's on an answering spree alright, too bad most of them start with just 3 lines :P
Someone should definitely nominate you for MVSU @slhck :)
 
.. and the "accept my answer!" comment is kinda, well, .. :P
@IvoFlipse Haha, I feel flattered, thanks :D
 
Well you would deserve it, that's for sure
I'm curious who else will be nominated
 
I already have a few ideas, but you should probably have a restriction (i.e. "you can only nominate X users")
I guess I'll need some help from a Windows specialist later on today. I've got a Windows 7 laptop here with a nasty bluescreen issue and don't know where to start.
 
11:22 AM
Oh, congratulations to @Breakthrough for reaching 10k!
 
@slhck Well we can simply downvote those who we don't like
 
@IvoFlipse Fair enough! :)
 
@slhck Ask Tom or Wil, they probably know where to start
I have blue screen issues of my own that I can't solve
fear its simply faulty hardware
 
@slhck: immediate BSOD or..?
 
anyway bbl
 
11:23 AM
see you @IvoFlipse!
@JourneymanGeek Well, it happens from time to time -- I can get an error report, just a sec
 
resplendence.com/whocrashed tends to be useful in working out what caused a crash
 
does it analyze those minidumps? @JourneymanGeek
 
yes ;p
 
ah well, might give it a shot
> PAGE FAULT IN NONPAGED AREA
from /Windows/system32/ntkrnlpa.exe
so that .. well, it doesn't really help a lot. seems to be a driver, but can't tell which.
I just restored that thing to factory and it still crashed.
 
11:48 AM
hmm, that might be memory as well
 
11:58 AM
which would be bad :/
 
well, luckily its one of those annoyingly nonspecific errors
if whocrashed dosen't point at a driver, i'd suggest memtest
 
just download and let it run?
 
yeah
pretty much
 
12:23 PM
ugh
at 14% and more than 10000 errors
is that ... bad? :D
 
12:38 PM
lol
yeah... very
 
1:00 PM
woah, just got a new badge :) superuser.com/badges/121/marshall
 
@Gareth Wow, congrats O_o
I thought you've had 750 for quite a while now
 
yeah, must be a new badge
 
nice, finally something I can aim for
btw if you want to edit something superuser.com/questions/325964/…
I cba to :P
 
ah cheers :) just got back from a mega dog walk, so some editing would be good!
well it is Sunday :)
 
is it a rainy one, perhaps?
 
1:09 PM
extremely dry and horribly hot
ugh, that question - not a fun edit!
it's a case of TMI
might take several rounds
 
haha.. yup, I try to iterate too (for those kinds of questions)
 
i'm still trying to work out what the overall question is
because it does start off saying the connection worked
is it the case that externally he can't get it working?
 
well I'm lost at
> didn’t have any more connection from the server in the virtual box.
 
thanks SO for migrating this :P
 
yeah >_>
duh
I'd probably NARQ it
 
1:16 PM
I think the quote you highlighted above is saying "didn't have connections any more from the Ubuntu server in VirtualBox"
something like - after he made that change on his router, he couldn't connect to the server any more
it's complicated though
 
probably, but from the outside, or just from the host computer?
 
yeah, it's ambiguous
 
and why would he change the guest VM's network interfaces if they already worked
> ,restarted and now i can ping from virual server!Also,the port is now open (from dyndns)!
 
ok, I've just saved a first draft edit... a bit cleaner now :P but still really hard to follow
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Q: Ubuntu server in VirtualBox - can't ping - open port result refused to connect

I set up a Ubuntu server in VirtualBox following these guides: http://mydebian.blogdns.org/?p=148&cpage=2#comment-7131 http://adigitalnotepad.com/post/howto-setup-ubuntu-server-on-virtualboxinstructions The connection worked, including SSH. I signed up at dyndns.com and configur...

 
looks awesome now though
 
1:18 PM
Hi, does any of you have experience with upgrading to windows 7 and re-partitioning?
 
@Lode Almost exclusively on Macs, so sorry, nope :/
 
what were you looking to do? we might have a relevant question already
 
I just posted a question :)
http://superuser.com/questions/325968/is-it-possible-to-remove-all-partitions-when-upgrading-from-windows-xp-to-windows
I can find a lot about this topic, bu not precise enough to feel comfortable with :)
 
hmm interesting question though!
 
Yeah, thanks )
 
1:22 PM
not many users active yet though, so just give it some time!
 
Indeed, thanks for reading
 
That one looks good, thanks! I'm going to read
 
"Windows 7 Setup does its compliance checking before the phase of Setup where you format the disc. (Unlike with Windows Vista.) This means that you can format your existing hard drive, and blow away a previous Windows version, and not worry about activation. If it was there, Windows 7 will still activate."
 
That sounds like a typical "I just want to legally upgrade my operating system" problem nightmare where you seriously start thinking about just downloading a hacked version.
 
1:26 PM
so just thinking that through...
it looks like if you use the disc, let it detect XP is there, then you can completely blitz XP away
during the install
 
unless during the installation something fails and it already wiped the drive, thus not detecting the previous install anymore
... probably?
 
true, but there's usually all sorts of stub stuff it writes on the drive so it can recover the install when you reboot
it sounds like all you want to do is install Windows 7 and edit the partitions as part of that, not keeping XP
from reading that super long article that does sound possible (and normal)
I think MS would be weird to implement an installer that depended on you having a certain partition, but letting you remove that partition before it did its verification :)
 
Yup, but after verification they'd have to actually store it on the hard drive somewhere
because if the computer reboots before everything's fine and activated, how would the installer be able to perform the check again if the drive's already formatted?
 
yeah true - but I've built a lot of W7 PCs and rarely seen the install botching up :) in the old days maybe!
@Lode do you have a Windows XP CD just in case?
 
then again I don't know anything about Windows so I'll just shut up :P
 
1:33 PM
Indeed, it seems that it should work this way. Especially since they say that this is different from what needed to be done for upgrading from Vista.
 
yeah - I basically just wrote up everything above on your question
 
I do have an XP cd, but not here right now, so than I would have to wait another week..
Perfect!
 
I'm confident this will work! if it doesn't I will send you my address and you are welcome to bomb me with llamas
in short: do any repartitioning/formatting INSIDE the installer. don't do it outside of the installer
 
llamas even :)
 
and don't have a power cut!
 
1:35 PM
keeping a 1:1 disk backup is probably a good idea
if you have a spare drive
 
Yes indeed, I've done it inside the installer know, it seems to continue happily. I'll update on SU when it was fully succesful.
 
nice one
I'm looking at the sky to see if any llamas are being dropped
 
;)
Thanks for the help and the link, anyway!
 
@Lode sweet — don't forget you can post your own answer! (sorry if you already know, just thought I'd mention)
 
Yes, I knew, but thanks anyway. You've added a good experience with the chat
 
1:39 PM
actually, @slhck was just dying to tell you to stop the installation and buy a Mac instead :D
 
@Gareth No I wasn't, sheeesh :P
 
Haha, I'm already running Ubuntu, it is just my mom's laptop that needed an upgrade.
 
By the way: I've been there
 
that's weird!
 
That was a strange experience.. installing the whole OS and nothing's changed
 
1:41 PM
ha yeah
imagine if you were doing it to cover up some evidence for example, then finding out it was exactly the same
what did it actually do then? is it basically akin to a repair install?
 
heh.. that would be really bad
 
so anything broken would have been fixed, but otherwise all the same
 
right
you have to manually erase the disk before you click through the installer
 
Ai, strange experience..
Happily you didn't find a Windows running after that ;)
 
lol
in the end I think it makes sense though not to wipe the drive unless you really say you want to do it
 
1:55 PM
@Gareth Thanks :P I use OmniGraffle for those and the Dropline Neu icon set.
 
I thought they looked familiar :) I've used them for something before but can't remember what
anyway looks nice!
you know, I wonder if the SE guys learn anything from all these edits we make
I know for example they automatically remove "Hi guys" and so on
but I wonder if they look at recent edits to try and improve detection further
"Thanks in advance" crops up a lot unnecessarily
 
Well they decided not to do it with "Thanks" because they were harder to detect
 
yeah I agree
like "Thanks to the way the partition is configured, I can't do option 1"
 
heh :P
 
but at least "Thanks in advance" and "HTH"
etc
 
1:58 PM
Some new users don't really get the edits anyway
Sometimes I ask them to clarify once I edited their question
and they tell me "some administrator changed my question!!!11"
 
ha
 
and I'm like ... >_>
 
I can 't imagine what it'd be like if there was NO editing
 
You know.. I really can't even look at some posts without the urge to edit them, it's horrible :D
 
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