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7:04 AM
Hey guys, I've got a question I'd like to ask, but I think it needs work getting into a suitable form. Basically, it's: "Is it possible for both Calvinism and Arminianism to be true?". That is, some (most) of the time, people make the choice to be saved, but sometimes, God just sovereignly saves someone.
 
@El'endiaStarman Not really. Such a mash-up would really be contrary to both schools of thought, making both false rather than both true.
 
@Caleb Interesting. How about the case where both are partially true? That's more in line with the general example I gave.
 
In general however, Calvinisim has a broader scope than other systems, allowing for both the excercise of free will including calling on men to use it to come to salvation through faith as well as God's sovereign ordination. The stereotypes of Calvinism that everybody makes fun are are usually less than half the picture painted by the theology.
@El'endiaStarman Partially true = mostly wrong. Anything you build on a bogus foundation is going to be subject to serious problems. This isn't a side-line issue for either school of thought and if you change the most basic suppositions of each side, you no longer have meaningful sides at all.
 
@Caleb So both sides have a basic supposition that their system applies to everyone?
 
Sorry about the typo: excessive = exercise
@El'endiaStarman Yes, because it's about the NATURE of the beings involved (God's nature vs. Man's nature). It's not about individual cases or a sort of generalization of what most of them do, it's about what kind of beings they are and what their respective scopes are.
 
 
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5:28 PM
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Q: Reopen: Why don't women cover their heads?

Dan AndrewsPlease help me understand why this isn't a good question. Why don't women cover their heads I've reworded it to better fix the Q&A format. However, my accepted answer will be more of my opinion (IMHO). I would rather not do that. As a "Should a Christian..." question, it would be easier t...

 
Is it just my imagination, or has the site just frozen up for a few days? I'm kinda maxed out, but what's up?
 
@AffableGeek 4 questions in 2 days will do that
oct 12 was our last actual good day of questions
which was only Friday...
but it's fall break in a lot of places around here, people might be off of work/on vacation etc
 
Yeah... That makes sense
 
@waxeagle ...busy with XCOM... ;)
 
Btw: washingtonpost.com/local/… Looks like you can be fired (or at least come close) in DC now for thinking that voters should be able to decide the status of same sex marriages
 
 
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8:00 PM
@waxeagle Question volume is (pretty much) always lowest over the weekend and highest in the middle of the week.
 
@AffableGeek And whatever her position may be, the LGBT students at Gallaudet deserve an advocate. And if Dr. McCaskill views them as cowardly intimidating bullies whose rights are subject to the whims of the majority, then she may well not be the person to serve that role.
Note: Many of the comments on that post disagree with its premises.
I don't actually have an opinion on the subject myself, really. I don't know what to think.
 
@TRiG I'm mostly of the mind that someone's political opinions shouldn't affect their job status, but I sort of get it in that specific position.
but it really depends on what kind of diversity she was there to foster I find diversity in general to be a meaningless word at this point
 
...Gallaudet, huh? Interesting that this struggle related to diversity is taking place at a college for Deaf students...
 
@El'endiaStarman I remember reading about the Deaf President Now protests.
(Back in the days when my mother was studying Deaf Studies and I was stealing her textbooks.)
@waxeagle It's not a "political opinion", it's a public statement, and a matter of public record.
Or, rather, it's not just a political opinion.
 
@TRiG it's something related to a potential vote, that makes it a political opinion
@TRiG Ill give you that
 
8:10 PM
@waxeagle As some of the comments on the BTB post remark, the whole idea of a "diversity officer" is a bit vague.
I suppose an actual job description would help. Is that public record, does anyone know?
If Timothy Kincaid is right, and Dr McCaskill actually asked her pastor to speak on her behalf, we can say that she certainly doesn't deserve her job back. On the other hand, the pastor may well have been talking entirely off his own bat, without her approval.
 
8:27 PM
@TRiG My hearing (but Deaf) ASL teacher in high school was a teacher at Gallaudet until the DPN movement kicked him out. Gallaudet had their accreditation put on probation a few years ago though, which goes to show that that wasn't such a smart idea.
 
 
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10:10 PM
@El'endiaStarman One of the interesting things is that books on Deaf culture will often themselves draw parallels with the gay experience (the most notable similarity, to my mind, being that most Deaf people have hearing parents).
I rarely see gay people comparing themselves to Deaf people, but I have seen vice versa.
 
@TRiG Interesting. To me, the biggest difference between the two is that you will have a very hard time (or at the very least, much harder) using the Bible to support the idea that Deaf people shouldn't marry and/or have sex. Same goes for skin color. Anti-homosexuality statements in the Bible are easy to find though.
 
@El'endiaStarman People did manage it, though. I suppose you'll find support for just about anything in the Bible if you look hard enough.
 
@TRiG I honestly never would've thought to draw a parallel between homosexuality and deafness/Deafness. I guess it's just not that strong of a parallel.
 
@El'endiaStarman It's one I have seen, more than once, in books on Deaf culture. Couldn't name which books, off the top of my head. They were ones my mother had out from Trinity College library when she was studying.
 
@TRiG Well, yeah, like the adage "There are three kinds of lies: lies, d*mned lies, and statistics."
 
10:17 PM
@El'endiaStarman Either swear, or don't. Self-censoring with symbols is just silly. (I suppose I'll give you a pass because you're quoting. If I remember correctly, that one is usually attributed to Mark Twain, but not actually found in his writings.)
 
@TRiG Indeed. I never swear if I can help it, but I have a sort of mental block against ever writing out swear words, even in quotes. So I compromise.
 
@El'endiaStarman My mother would never swear. Ever. But now she's an interpreter. And interpreters' ethics say to transmit what's said accurately, without imposing your own personality. So she's said she would if she had to. I don't know whether she ever has. But the thought of my mother swearing is simultaneously amusing and horrifying.
 
@TRiG That's actually one big reason I'd be uncertain about becoming an interpreter. If I did though, I'd probably be able to transmit what was said accurately because 1) it's part of my job, and I agreed to it, and 2) I wouldn't really be paying that much attention to it anyway. And a lesser reason: 3) the mental block against swearing in sign is weaker.
 
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A: How bad is the f-word, really?

TRiGThere is good evidence that "bad language" is stored in a separate part of the brain: witness the case of the deaf man with Tourettes syndrome who swears in ASL. And swear words in foreign languages don't set off the same triggers in the brain, so it's very hard to judge how bad they are in conte...

swear words in foreign languages don't set off the same triggers in the brain
 
@TRiG Hmmm...for me, ASL and English effectively come from concepts, and I think my brain filters on the concepts for each swear word, not the actual word or sign. Either that or my ASL (really, PSE) comes from English first most of the time, so my brain filters on the English first, resulting in no swears in sign language (from me).
 
10:30 PM
@El'endiaStarman I really must learn some actual languages. I've forgotten all my Irish and most of my French, and my ISL never really existed to begin with.
I never got very far with Esperanto either.
 
@TRiG Well, I do go to a school where every 1 out of 8 students is deaf (and I have a deaf roommate)... :P
 
@El'endiaStarman Yeah. Well, that will make a difference.
 
In fact, come to think of it...hey @Caleb! How much does this site help you maintain your English proficiency?
 

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