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El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
12:10 AM
 
curiousdannii
curiousdannii
12:21 AM
@LeeWoofenden Well that's sad, and from my experience, very atypical.
 
fredsbend
fredsbend
1:13 AM
@LeeWoofenden For the record, I wasn't commenting on Judaism's validity. I was commenting on their inability to grow as a religion. @MonicaCellio notes that it is partly because they do not recruit, but then concedes what she called "stringent requirements for conversion". This whole short conversation is about Judaism's stringent requirements on everything.
@LeeWoofenden To what extent was the restriction applied? I suspect churches that reject the divinity of Jesus are out. What about "lesser" issues? I find a phrase is becoming quite common in evangelical/fundamental churches: "salvation issues".
Back in the 50's it was simply "fundamentals", which is where fundamentalists got their name. They believed the "fundamentals" were most important in life and all else could compromise (but somehow a culture of total non-compromise was bred).
So this church must have had "salvation issues" they believed are necessary to be Christian, while other issues are more or less opinions and not requirements of the faith? But how extensive was their "salvation issue" list?
 
ThaddeusB
ThaddeusB
2:08 AM
@curiousdannii I would guess they are all from the same person, or at most two people, despite the number of (new) accounts nominally involved.
 
 
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Lee Woofenden
Lee Woofenden
6:32 AM
@fredsbend Christians (and Muslims) assume that evangelization, or converting people to the faith, is a very important part of religion. Not so for Jews. Though it may look "wrong" to Christians that Jews don't actively seek converts, given that Jews generally don't believe that salvation is exclusive to Jews, it's really not such a critical issue from their perspective. Judaism is, after all, a culture as well as a religion.
@fredsbend Basically, every Christian church accepts the divinity of Jesus in one way or another. These folks would not fellowship with other Christian churches that did not view salvation in their particular way. I don't know the exact details of their belief. But they were Protestant fundamentalists, so presumably they believed in salvation by faith alone, "faith" being a belief that Jesus paid the penalty for our sins.
@curiousdannii It's not so atypical of Christian churches that are on the most conservative, fundamentalist, and literalist end of the spectrum. Jehovah's Witnesses are one of the more extreme examples, but they are by no means the only ones who forbid or heavily discourage their people from having any non-evangelistic fraternization with Christians who don't share their particular beliefs.
 
 
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Mr. Bultitude
Mr. Bultitude
8:59 PM
Am I missing something here? From Wikipedia's [Diet of Worms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_of_Worms) article:

> Prince Frederick III, Elector of Saxony obtained an agreement that if Luther appeared he would be promised safe passage to and from the meeting. This guarantee was essential after the treatment of Jan Hus, who was tried and executed at the Council of Constance in 1415 despite a promise of safe conduct.

So basically, "Last time something like this happened, the guy was guaranteed safe passage and then the promise was broken. Therefore we need to make sure you're guaranteed …
 

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