@PaulVargas Language wise I don't see any issues, though I didn't look particularly closely. I'm still a bit busy getting my wife moved to my old phone
so that she can have a phone again when she goes to work tonight
@TRiG Additionally, the idea that a "virgin birth" is a good proof of the accuracy of a prophecy or the proof of its fulfillment, is kind of funny. Because not only is it impossible to prove, it's also perhaps the single most likely proof to be suspect to those who hear it.
Though, I'm sure there are several other explanations, I don't remember offhand.
@El'endiaStarman As long as we're on the subject, I've always wondered: Do Christians view that verse as prophesying two separate events? In context, it's a prophecy meant to show King Ahaz that G-d would them from Aram.
Here and there, I heard Jesus is sometimes regarded as an avatar of lord Vishnu (or even a reincarnation of Krishna). Is this true?
Was Jesus really one of the Avatar of lord Vishnu or lord Krishna?
Levi H. Dowling wrote the book The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ.
The title of section VI is: Life and Works of Jesus in India, here is an extract:
"And Jesus was accepted as a pupil in the temple Jagannath; and here learned the Vedas and the Manic laws." section VI, chapter 21, verse...
@El'endiaStarman Imagine that someone Awakens to God, then gradually falls away (the work of faith, prayer, etc. is HARD and they didn't expect that); then perhaps ...
they are stirred to spiritual life again by another experience, but fall away again for similar reasons; so they begin to believe that
religion is just a "phase" for them, something that's not important but just superficial.
Then, they are confronted with a major moral choice; they know that their "religious self" would consider it wrong and a great affront to God (let's say, committing adultery).
Knowing that it is wrong "before God", they choose to turn away from God entirely and do this wrong.
That, I think, destroys the relationship, not because God has left them, but because they've left God.
@MattGutting [nods] Yeah, I'm not saying that God leaves anyone first. But I think there is good support for the idea that God will leave someone alone if they completely leave/reject Him.
> There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." - C.S. Lewis
@MattGutting Mmmm...okay. I think, if both "fall Asleep", I would distinguish the two by why they fell asleep. If they didn't want to be Awake anymore, then that would correspond to the relationship being destroyed.
I think the situation I had in mind is not so much not wanting to be Awake anymore, as it is no longer recognizing a difference between being Asleep and Awake, and not really caring.
@AffableGeek not sure the second one really counts if the church changed entirely. Or were there actually Unitarian Universalists in 1620?
love the comment about the first preacher on the Connecticut one preaching 24 sermons on 3 verses. I thought we went slow when we take a year and a half to go through the book of Luke
Hm. According to Wikipedia, San Miguel Mission is the oldest Roman Catholic Church in the US; it's as old as, or older than, other churches in that list, but I don't see it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
@fredsbend response to comments on christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/31296/…?: I didn't claim that all evolution has to do with pleasure. Simply that a desire to eat, yields more survival than not. Most of the food that tastes good but is bad for us, is man-made. Long after we've evolved to enjoy those tastes.
pleasure happens to be one of many useful ways that natural selection can encourage certain behaviour
@fredsbend I agree, there are some side effects of evolution. In today's age natural selection is hindered in a world which is greatly artificial. Advancements in modern medicine now means that, people that put themselves at risk are less likely to die doing it, than they would have, when minor injuries could be fatal. My statement saying that it would not have evolved was under justified. But it's still true. The advantages of eating are obvious.
@fredsbend uneducated and generally unproductive members of society, often have many children as well.
@Cruncher "But evolution answers many 'why' questions." - I guess we just have a different view on that. If you're construing something I say (in answer to someone else's theological question) to contradict your understanding of the TOE, all I can say is - I'm sorry, but that seems to be more your issue than mine. It seems to me the OP doesn't assume TOE as the basis for his question, so I don't feel any need to assume it in regard to a comment or an answer.
@AffableGeek they have apparently changed denominations 3 times
and I guess the last one doesn't generally consider itself Christian right?
of course, I also naturally wonder about the health of most of those churches too. Are they actually doing well or are they full of history buffs who simply don't want to let an old thing die because it is an old thing
@AJHenderson That's my problem. I understand that some of the scriptures he links to have, or are, metaphors, but what on earth is a linking metaphor, and how can you "prove" it using Catholic or any doctrine? :-\
well, I think he is alluding to saying they are all indirectly metaphors of the same thing and asking for how Catholic doctrine fulfills them all
based on his comments
his comments seem to be showing how from his perspective they all play out on either side in a cohesive understanding of theology of the fallen vs theology of the saved
@PaulVargas don't know, I haven't been in here as much today, I'm working more on code gen stuff than build heavy stuff so I haven't had as much free time
@MattGutting That user is regularly incomprehensible. In fact, I don't think I've even read a single comment from him that made sense or was useful to the conversation. I ignore him almost always and simply downvote when it doesn't make sense.
Just look at his first comment when asked where he got that from:
I got these from Jesus. Should I add references? I'm asking "How can Catholic Doctrine prove the connecting Metaphors?" — Only he is good.5 hours ago