The Grove

00:08

When you have a negative degree, you can just add 2pi (or 360 degrees) to figure out its positive corresponding angle, right?

Yes

Okay thank you

Graylocke

er yes? :)

sorry - I was trying to answer a bunch of work things, but yes... add or remove as many multiples of 2pi as you need to get it in a good range.

Prince North Læraðr

Sometimes you just need to think it out loud, you know :D

Graylocke

Definitely - I do all my best thinking out loud. My team at work know this all too well >.>; Though they haven't had to put up with it for almost a year ^^;

Prince North Læraðr

Oof :p

Prince North Læraðr

00:44

@Graylocke or @bobble Tutoring help?

Graylocke

Here-ish :) I can try my best.

bobble

I'll try, but if anyone comes in that I don't trust I will bolt

Prince North Læraðr

Okay, so we're converting polar equations, and I'm really confused about my math teacher's answer and her process

@bobble I can start making this room into a gallery, but I'll hold off on doing that

Graylocke

(tailhugs a bobble)

Prince North Læraðr

Anyhow, so I'm supposed to convert this equation r=1/(1+sin(theta)) into a rectangular equation

So I understand the first few steps

Multiply both sides by (1+sin(theta)) to isolate the 1

distribute the right side so that the equation looks like r+rsin(theta)=1

I'll just list out my process down below

Graylocke

00:48

okay

bobble

nods nods

Prince North Læraðr

r+y=1
r=y-1
sqrt(x^2+y^2)=y-1
x^2+y^2=(y-1)^2
x^2+y^2=y^2-2y+1
x^2=-2y+1
x^2-1=-2y
y=-(x^2-1)/2

Looks okay, right?

bobble

nods nods

Prince North Læraðr

Okay, so here' what my math teacher did

I have zero clue what she's trying to do

Why did the inner expression 1-rsin(theta) become 4-2y??

bobble

Well it should be 1-y, I think at least

Prince North Læraðr

00:54

Hm, I input the above expression into desmos, and the teacher's answer isn't even the same

She probably made an error that we have to talk about tomorrow

Ohhh haha

She solved the wrong question halfway through

So there's problem 64 which is r=1/(1+sin(theta))

and 65 (which we skipped), which was 4/(1+2sin(theta))

bobble

@PrinceNorthLæraðr parentheses?

Graylocke

hehe

Prince North Læraðr

I was genuinely so confused

Graylocke

I think bobble is right... rsin(theta) is y... so...

very confusing

(also I do not understand that "puzzle" about 4s...)

bobble

There is some context surrounding that user - they posted another self-answered "puzzle" that no one could understand - but you can't see that as it is deleted

I would VTC as Needs Details or Clarity, except I am still on my no-visible-actions thing and I really do not want to deal with it

Graylocke

01:07

I am also sad that I put up a nice solution that is incomplete because of the puzzle... and it has less votes than the puzzle which is borked ;p

(I'm not really that sad)

Borg! o/

Sciborg

\o/ :D

bobble

:D

Sciborg

I just came back from a really nice social-distancing dinner, my friend is learning how to cook so he invited us over for steak and cheesy potatoes and oh my lord it was so yummy

i wish i could cook

Graylocke

:D

sounds yum

Sciborg

how has it been going with you guys? :)

Graylocke

01:15

I now want lunch >.>

bobble

I have been seeing lots of things I want to edit or comment on and refraining from doing either. (I did two extremely minor edits that I was 100% sure were the intent of the OP)

by the way, your opinion on the 4s question?

Sciborg

i just re-opened discord so give me a bit to catch up

what is the 4s question?

bobble

-5

Q: Using the digit 4 exactly four times and 4 signs only and only the operation + is allowed how to get 10?

Using the digit 4 exactly four times and 4 signs only and only the operation + is allowed how to get 10? for example: $(44 - 4) / 4 = 10$ does not work because 44 is a number and not the digit 4,and we used a - not just +. $4+4+4-\sqrt{4}=10$ is a wrong answer even though we have 4 digits of...

Graylocke

(my opinion was registered quite clearly in the comments, I think ;p )

Sciborg

this seems.... controversial

Prince North Læraðr

01:21

I think it's just a bad question

Sciborg

yeah, it's poorly worded

i get why people were confused

bobble

can you understand it?

Prince North Læraðr

Not really

Sciborg

no

Prince North Læraðr

And the intended solution is a bit cheeky, tbh

bobble

01:23

The intended solution, if posted by anyone other than the OP - I would assume it was breaking a rule, say not in the spirit of the problem, and flag as NAA

Prince North Læraðr

Actually yes

Multiplication is an operation

And using the parenthesis to indicate a multiplication is still an operation

Also, 4(4)=/=2

Wouldn't you have to define the function?

bobble

they did

> Let the function 4(x) for x real such that 4(4)=2 for x=4.

Prince North Læraðr

Oh, didn't read that

I somehow read that as 4*4

That's... what?

Okay, yeah no, that with that logic, I can say:

> Let the function 4(x) for x real such that 4(4)=5 for x=4. 4(4)+4(4)=10

Boom. 4 4s, and addition

bobble

but are you using 4 signs, for their non-understandable definition of "sign", is the question

Prince North Læraðr

Ah, I see

Sciborg

01:28

argh it's just.... not a clear question. they should have specified what they defined as an "operation"

bobble

also a sign

Prince North Læraðr

Wait, a function doesn't count as a "sign" does it? Also, technically, the equal sign is a sign as well

I'm using four signs, if the function notation is a sign: 2 function signs, one addition sign, and an equal sign

Graylocke

yes

bobble

the comments here have some information about what they consider a "sign", even if I can't understand it

Graylocke

and then the stupidity of "4" is a "digit" and a "function"

and xhienne's answer is actually perfectly valid regardless

Prince North Læraðr

01:30

Yeah

Graylocke

the name of a function is not a digit mathematically.

then we go into "this isn't about computers"

which apparently dismisses base-16

which is mathematical

Prince North Læraðr

I'm going to post my "non-answer" in the comment, to show why the question is flawed anyways

Sciborg

bleh. just a poorly worded question

Prince North Læraðr

Wait, I think I only use 3 "signs"

Oh, I can't count

I am genuinely so confused

Wait no my operation does use four signs. What is a sign?

is "()" two signs or one?

Sciborg

that's the ambiguity that makes the question bad

Graylocke

01:38

it's not a "sign" at all -.-;

Sciborg

if i was writing a similar question i would just list what are valid signs

Graylocke

it's 2 symbols, perhaps... and may count as 1 operation...

but there is no sense in which () is a "sign" -.-;

Prince North Læraðr

Right

It looks like they're counting "()" are two "signs"

Graylocke

also suggesting that unary + is cheating when defining a function to be called 4() not in the puzzle answer is supposed to be fine??

Sciborg

arrrrgh

Graylocke

01:40

I am pulling out, I have hit an artery :P

I no longer care about this question ;p

Sciborg

same :p

bobble

I am watching it in morbid fascination, though I won't interact

Prince North Læraðr

Okay here we go. I can say 4(44)=6, and 4(44)+4=10

Equal sign is a sign by all accounts

Graylocke

The thing is... if it is a programming question WHO CARES?

I can define any sets of symbols at the top of my C code to mean anything I want?

Prince North Læraðr

Ugh yeah

Graylocke

01:47

#define 4_%4##44 10

Prince North Læraðr

Wait, if 4 is being used as a function, does it count as a digit?

Graylocke

Depends on what you are talking about -.-;

Mathematically, no. If you are talking about the symbols forming the statement, then yes?

Prince North Læraðr

Because in 4(x) the 4 is being used the same way as f(x)

As in, it's just a variable

Graylocke

well it's a function name

which means it isn't in a number

Prince North Læraðr

Right

Graylocke

01:49

so mathematically it isn't a digit... it's just a symbol that is normally used to indicate a value when it is a digit in a number -.-;

Prince North Læraðr

By variable I just meant "the thing you put in front of (x) to call it a function"

Graylocke

eh - I don't care! \o/

(grins) this is a pointless argument :)

Prince North Læraðr

Yeah, I wasted way too much time on this - I was going to work on my composition

Sciborg

throws up virtual hands and goes to do something else

Graylocke

"he does the same with a hexadecimal 4 ,just his demonstration gives 4 and 3 signs at the same time.and the question wants 4 exact sign not 4 or 3 " does not even make sense

Prince North Læraðr

01:52

Tempted to post my comment as an answer, but that's kind of being obnoxious

Graylocke

nvm I am letting go... letting go...

o/'

Prince North Læraðr

aye, I shalt stop. I wasted 45 minutes on nonsense

Graylocke

it is only that I think xhienne's answer is more correct that made me fight ;p

Prince North Læraðr

At this point they're just making stuff up

Graylocke

it isn't 3 "signs" anyway... it is 4, using unary + ... the fact that it is not required has nothing to do with its validity... and the fact that 4(4) needs to be defined outside the puzzle makes it less valid.

argh stop making me thing about this

lol

Prince North Læraðr

01:57

My second answer still hold true, so shrugs I'm going to finish up my composition

Sciborg

resists urge to sing Let It Go :p

Graylocke

was kind of humming it >.>;

@Sciborg puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/107001/… were you trying to solve this?

I only got as far as step 1, so I was interested in how to multi-step these puzzles ^^;

Sciborg

not particularly, just the first font was really bad on my eyes so i left the comment asking them to transcribe

i do not know how to solve it :p

Graylocke

Well I did the first bit..?

I am pretty sure the solution to the bit with the horrible font is JACK BAUER

Isn't he from 24?

Sciborg

ahhh, that would make sense :D

sounds like you are onto something

Graylocke

02:06

I don't know what that has to do with the text messages ;.;

Sciborg

me neither, yeah

Prince North Læraðr

Argh I just like need to not

This guy makes no sense

Graylocke

@Sciborg interestingly, the image is from a phone in Norway ;p

Prince North Læraðr

02:51

Gonna try recording part 1 of my audition today. Wish me luck O_o

Graylocke

03:31

GL!

Prince North Læraðr

04:51

Eeek I have round 1 of my mock trial tournament on Tuesday O_o

@bobble My argument for mock trial is done, do you mind if I share it with you tomorrow?

bobble

email is fine! I have a tutoring session lined up for tomorrow, just warning you, so less time than usual

Graylocke

ooh o.o;

that's something I never had to do ^^;

Prince North Læraðr

I can try sharing it right now, actually

@bobble Shared with you via Google Doc. You could just comment directly onto the document

Gonna go. Good night!

Sciborg

05:08

Good night :)

bobble

@PrinceNorthLæraðr it has been received

Graylocke

nightnight!

Prince North Læraðr

23:31

AHHHHHHHH

AHHHHH

AHHHHHHHHH

internal screaming in rage

My trial is fricking TOMORROW and now I need to make more additions to my argument AGAIN

bobble

uh oh

i'm doing homework right now, would it be okay if i only looked at your argument tonight? or do you need it sooner?

Prince North Læraðr

That's fine

I need to revise it anyways

bobble

by the way do you just want me to look for typos and grammar stuff? or other things? i'm not entirely clear on how this will be judged so i'm unsure what kinds of improvements i can suggest beyond copyedits

Prince North Læraðr

Grammar stuff is fine. Maybe some stylistic edits or rewording stuff that might sound better. But don't worry too much about the legal jargon

I am just now really stressed

bobble

I can send the cursed picture

this would either increase or decrease your stress level

Prince North Læraðr

23:43

Both at the same :P

bobble

I could cast Hold Person on your inner demons, as long as they are humanoid

Prince North Læraðr

Unfotunately, demons are considered fiends

bobble

I could cast Lesser Restoration ("being Jesus") and remove the Stressed condition (actually that isn't a condition but who cares)

Prince North Læraðr

I was confused by what you meant by "being Jesus". I'm pretty sure Jesus was a cleric who cast True Resurrection... on himself

bobble

Well that was only when he was levelled up

When he was just level 3, all he had was Lesser Restoration to perform dime-a-dozen miracles

Prince North Læraðr

23:48

Can you be a cleric if you are the deity?

bobble

The important questions

Prince North Læraðr

Exactly

Hm, only clerics and druids can cast True Resurrection

bobble

@PrinceNorthLæraðr @Sciborg please answer this question

Prince North Læraðr

Okay, the thing is, the Bible says that Jesus's hands and feet still had holes in them, and his side was still pierced after being resurrected. So I'm not sure if he actually cast True Resurrection because True Resurrection closes all mortal wounds and stuff

But it doesn't seem like he suffered any of the "recovery period" shenanigans that comes from regular resurrection

Maybe Jesus was a wizard who cast Wish on himself and the DM (God) was like "Okay, so you do come back to life after 3 days, but while you're on the earth, you still keep the same body"

This is a very interesting theological question

bobble

can you determine the classes of any other biblical figures?

Prince North Læraðr

23:54

Hm

David was definitely a bard

I mean the dude literally exorcised demons out of King Saul by playing on his harp

bobble

which College?

Prince North Læraðr

I think sword or valor or whichever school is melee fighting because David was also a warrior

All the prophets were probably warlocks who sold their soul to God. Actually, pretty sure God buys your soul, but you can't like sell your soul to God

bobble

> College of SwordsXGtE
Thematically similar to College of Valor, College of Swords places more emphasis on offense than College of Valor, offering access to Fighting Style and some interesting options with Blade Flourish.

Blade Flourish is the subclass's signature ability, and it's awful. It eats your Bardic Inspiration dice for pitifully weak abilities. If you want similar capabilities, consider a College of Valor Bard with the Martial Adept feat or a few levels of Battlemaster Fighter. This subclass might be viable in games that start at 14th level or above once Master's Flourish comes …

Prince North Læraðr

shrugs

bobble

> College of ValorPHB
The martially-minded Bard will prefer the College of Valor. By improving the Bard's ability to wade into melee safely, the Bard can fill nearly every role in a party. If you're in a small party, this is an absolutely fantastic option. However, in a party of 4 or more the Valor Bard's lack of focus will make it hard for the College of Valor Bard to truly shine.

Prince North Læraðr

23:57

Hm, probably sword

David did a lot more like slashing in combat than like singing

Joshua was 100% a fighter. Probably champion sub-class

Ooh, Moses

Hm

I say Moses was a druid. I mean like parting waters, creating staff into snake, bringing plagues - sounds pretty druid-y to me if you ask me

bobble

I'll buy that

Prince North Læraðr

Abraham... not sure if he's the adventurer type to be honest

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