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02:01
@amWhy: I was just trying to have a last minute check for any interesting messages in chatrooms. Thanks for reminding to sleep.
 
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05:31
@ParamanandSingh Now we need to remind people to sleep as well! Health is wealth, and sleeping is healthy!
05:59
@TeresaLisbon: actually I mentioned good night in the mo election chatroom and then visited this Cafe and tavern. So @amWhy made that comment. And yeah sleep is essential. The problem is that even if I sleep late I have to wake up early because the milkman arrives at 7:00am everyday
@ParamanandSingh I see! Yes, then 2-7 is like 5 hours, you don't sleep more than that? Wow, I need at least 6-7 hours, although I'd imagine having a child will substantially cut this number.
06:39
@TeresaLisbon Usually I am asleep by 11:00pm unless some deep activity in going on CURED or I am watching a typical Bollywood drama.
And need to wake up at around 6:15am
There are also cases when the kid disturbs during sleep and an hour or so is wasted.
@ParamanandSingh I don't like this whole idea of informative and meaningful cinema, after a typical day at the office I'd prefer to watch soaps, dramas, comedies, I feel the need to lighten my mood. But yes, I don't tolerate anything misogynistic and there is quite a bit of that in cinema. Anyway, I don't wake up that early, maybe 8:30 or 8:00 is a good time for me, so 7 hours to sleep.
@TeresaLisbon I sleep like 3-4 hours and I am sad that it is hard for me to do
@soupless Sleep more! Find ways to sleep more. Maybe you need more activity, you know? Jump around, find sports to play, find things to do, feel tired at night and everything will fall into place.
Oh no, that will be a problem. Sports? Not for me. But I jump.
Ah, but you should try to do a lot of work. Get a good amount of walking done, at the least. You are a student, so you still have plenty of time, but putting up a schedule now and following it will be very important. People ask me why at my age I'm going for football classes (I've been training with u-15s for some time, although I'm way beyond 15) , stretching, pulling muscles, running half-marathons, it's all to make sure I can fall asleep at night!
All the population in my city of my age, they are working in multi-national corporations and earning a lot of money, but their physical fitness (and therefore mental fitness), let's not even talk about it.
06:54
I think it is because of school works. They are really a lot, that is why my only available time is midnight 'til 3.
@TeresaLisbon You mean, exercise can help me fall asleep easier?
@soupless Very much! Exercise is the one way you can actually get yourself physically tired at night.
I am mentally tired, and yet my brain still wants to focus more on reading and solving. Hmm.
Other ways are very subtle. Doing household chores, buying things from the market, these things contribute as well. Honestly, participation in family life is itself a rewarding experience. Caring for others (this includes, of course, math.se in my case) means that you go out of your way to ensure their peace, and the same peace of mind drives you to sleep at night.
Oh. I guess it is really schoolworks. The horror of submitting after the deadline makes me think more and more before sleeping.
I wish for good luck to my life expectancy
@TeresaLisbon The tasks are complicated, and you will see after finishing one that you have another one to do. i procrastinate sometimes, but it is for math only :D
@soupless No no, don't worry. You have a lot of time to repair yourself, and get going. There are people in far worse situations than you, who now sleep peacefully.
07:07
@TeresaLisbon As my classmate said, you have to choose one: 8 hours of sleep, or eternal sleep
@soupless Oh my god, that is very extremist. You can certainly go for 6 or 7.5 hours of sleep. My belief is that according to the sleep cycle, you should tailor yourself to sleep for a duration of a multiple of 1.5 hours, then apparently you wake up fresh. So 6 or 7.5 it is, since 4.5 is too little and 9 too much!
What happens to me is this: 3 hours or 11 hours. There is something wrong.
@TeresaLisbon If I may request, can you hide this one?
@soupless Not a room owner, sorry about that. But I'll ask a room owner to do it.
@amWhy @user21820 If anyone of you could move this to the trash it would be nice, thanks.
 
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09:49
1 message moved to ­Trash
@amWhy Thanks
=)
 
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12:36
@TeresaLisbon I'm not a room-owner here. Paramanand is, though! =)
13:12
@amWhy Thanks!
 
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15:11
Hello!
Oh, hello @TeresaLisbon !
Are you familiar with this book?
@soupless Heard of Protter-Morrey, never read it. Would you like me to review it?
There are too many books in this domain now. One can be spoilt for choice!
The Sterling one, sorry
I found one in our school library and I plan to borrow it.
Oh, wait. Is it the same?
I've never heard of Sterling, @soupless, but it does look like a decent book to me. (it's not the same as Protter-Morrey)
It's got great exercises, by the look of it. You could try to see on MSE if people have asked exercises from Sterling's book.
Also, can I ask if you are familiar with Introduction to Combinatorics by Berman and Fryer?
15:26
@soupless Yes, that's something I've seen here often, although never read.
Very decent book, you should go for this.
I saw a section there about graph theory. I really want to hold on to it for a little further, but it was time to return it to the library. Hopefully, I can borrow it again.
@soupless Do you have a device? If I get it from somewhere I can send you a scan of it. I'd assume I can procure it from somewhere.
Then you can read it from the device, although of course you would prefer a book.
Well, who would prefer the scanned one over the book? Some people do, but not for me. Though I appreciate it if I received a scanned copy, I still feel that books are more superior.
@TeresaLisbon Oh. If you don't mind, can I take a look?
@soupless I see! No, in my case I actually prefer PDFs far more. I don't like books very much, I feel like I need to find physical space to keep them and I have none of that. I have like 8 books maybe, but I've got over 350 PDFs on various things. My only problem is : how do I send you a scan?
And which book do you want? The Sterling one, or the Berman-Fryer one? (Or maybe both, I'll see if I can get them from somewhere).
@TeresaLisbon I don't know how, maybe MediaFire?
15:38
@soupless Turns out I actually have Berman and Fryer on my laptop! I think a scan was taken of it a few years ago, and I meticulously maintain PDFs for future use. I don't know about MediaFire, so if you come to the Lisbon room and give me your email ID, then I'll note it down, delete it in no time, and send you the PDF.
E-mail ID?
Yes, sorry, E-mail ID. I'll send it as an attachment to you.
Let me first go to the other room.
 
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17:25
@ParamanandSingh why not get a cow? Cut out the middle man
@AlexanderGruber where to keep it? No farms nearby where he lives i guess plus milking a cow needs experience(if done traditionally by hands)
@soupless the disadvantage of scanned books is that they can't sit on your shelf making you feel guilty for years if you don't read them
having a cow can be great btw, all the milk you want to drink is availabe
@Anthony maybe you could get a small one and teach it to be an apartment cow. as for experience, well, that's just what Big Milkman wants you to think. i bet a confident new cow owner could figure it out
@AlexanderGruber Precisely! ;D
17:34
@AlexanderGruber Well. not so much. I downloaded a lot of papers about SIR models, but I never opened them. Like why download it in the first place? Just, why?
i have a whole shelf of sad yellow graduate texts in mathematics that i never intend to read again yet still have for some reason
@AlexanderGruber Hahaha! Like owning a pony instead of a horse? ;-D One would still, in the case of a small cow, need a very big litter box, or collar and leash to take it out for walks!
@amWhy plus then you've got your own free fertilizer for your apartment garden. it's economically irreponsible not to do this, really.
@AlexanderGruber Me too! and they weren't cheap... but I cannot yet bring myself to hand them off.
@amWhy one simply doesn't give away his grad books he once liked(or hated;)
17:38
@AlexanderGruber Hah! ;D
@amWhy i have three copies of this because they accidentally sent me 2, and then a friend gave me theirs when they retired. I don't know why I can't get rid of them. I don't even have a copy of my own dissertation
@AlexanderGruber Light Bulb!! Maybe we should, between this site and MO, create a chatroom for book exchanges! (classics in math, like Baby Rubin, of which I have three copies, and Grad books, maybe even chunks of journals ;D
@amWhy that is a really, really good idea
do you miss school, college @amWhy,@AlexanderGruber
i do. and academia in general.
(i went into tech after my phd for financial reasons.)
17:45
i couldn't even attend my last 2 years of HS
(this is my last year)
@Anthony Teaching? So that you will not miss school??
hard job, ngl
i considered that
and i hate to be a bad teacher
@Anthony that sucks. i didn't either actually, i know what it's like. Lots of people say prom and graduation and such are lame but it sucks worse not to even have the option
@AlexanderGruber yesss! exactly
night guys and gals
@Anthony cya tony
17:54
@Anthony CU!
I have to leave too. As @TeresaLisbon says, I need sleep. Even though I am in the state of "I don't need sleep, I need answers", I will sleep. Thanks, everyone!
@soupless Sleep well!
@AlexanderGruber my farewell to Anthony was shorter than yours! ;P
@soupless Sleep well!
@amWhy you win this time
@AlexanderGruber: I have enough space to keep not just one but many cows. Unfortunately the space has smooth marble floor and cows might find it difficult to walk on that kind of surface.
17:57
@ParamanandSingh roller skates
perfect solution
@AlexanderGruber Do you follow the MO election at all? Very nice outcome, methinks, though I didn't know a couple candidates very well.
@amWhy: the election winners were no 1,2,4 on my voting list
@AlexanderGruber Do you know a manufacturer who makes skates for cows? And a pro that train cows to skate!
@amWhy it's made me acutely aware that i need to run for moderator somewhere else too. Look at me over here with only one diamond, letting quid and asaf outshine me
@ParamanandSingh Wow, you faired well on your voting choices!
17:59
@AlexanderGruber: in fact your solution is much complicated compared to dealing with milkman
@amWhy paramanand could be the first!
@AlexanderGruber Hah! ;D
Frankly speaking I don't have any experience handling cows and I wouldn't want to have that kind of experience. On a serious note I don't like the taste of packaged milk sold in market. Milkman only dilutes with water. Don't know what corporates do with milk.
Pigs, for some folks, make good pets, I hear!
@amWhy: when I was 4 years old (long long ago) I used to have a puppy. But once I got into school/studies I had no time for pets
18:03
@ParamanandSingh this may change your mind
It requires reddit account. I don't have one. Can you provide a summary
@ParamanandSingh Organic milk can be trusted. We went to the farm and the factory and only then did we agree for delivery. Only one middleman, quite trustworthy.
@ParamanandSingh In the US, all milk on the market is pasteurized and homogenized for sale. The first kills the risk of risky bacteria in fresh milk, and the second helps prevent milk from separating into cream and solids at the top, and skim milk at the bottom.
@ParamanandSingh summary: cows are cute
@amWhy: I follow all that due process manually (its common in Indian households). Boil the milk before consumption. Extract the cream from top, store cream to make ghee (clarified butter). The leftover skimmed milk is what we use.
18:08
@ParamanandSingh Pets are wonderful, particularly when you have the space for them. My roommate is a cat, BTW! And it will be great for your child... Start with a big dog, and move up to a cow ;D.
@ParamanandSingh Awesome!
And if one needs to prepare curd/yogurt then we don't remove the cream.
@ParamanandSingh Indeed! Does any one fuss with making cheese, or ice cream, in India? Perhaps they are produced by manufactures or stores, and marketed, but likely a bit of a project to do at home?
@amWhy: in India people do make cottage cheese (different from cheese) at home, but new generation buys from market. Cottage cheese is damn easy to make. Get cream milk. Add two teaspoon vinegar and boil
@ParamanandSingh it's pretty healthy too, right?
18:13
@ParamanandSingh I love cottage cheese!
Solid part of milk is then separate from the liquid part and you filter it out. Keep in refrigerator and in few hours you have cottage cheese
@AlexanderGruber: cottage cheese has mostly protein and fat
And there are many recipes with cottage cheese. Love most of them
Unfortunately my kid consumes most of the milk so that we don't make cheese nowadays
four oz. of cottage cheese is greater in protein than eight 12 oz of milk.
good to keep in mind for strength training
@ParamanandSingh All the more reason you need a cow!! ;D
@AlexanderGruber, @amWhy: please i dont want to keep a cow.
18:17
@ParamanandSingh We're just teasing/joking, at least I am. No worries! I will not badger you further.
No issues, I was aware that this was a joke. In reality keeping cows is a very labour intensive job.
@ParamanandSingh Yes, it certainly is!
@AlexanderGruber Give it up, you were promoting your side gig of arranging for purchases and shipments, internationally, of cows!! Fess up! ;P
@amWhy my connections to the bovine smuggling industry are no secret
@AlexanderGruber: how much can you handle man? Moderation, job, cow business. This is too much. Leave something for others on this planet
@AlexanderGruber Hah! ;D You're hilarious! We've missed you.
18:24
What does war stories mean in the description
@ParamanandSingh And building cabins, too!!!
@amWhy: Yeah, I missed that
Cabin in the woods
@ParamanandSingh live fast, die young, they say
@Euler2 we welcome occasional accounts of epic battles
No no, you don't have to die young. Not under any circumstances
@ParamanandSingh i might be a bit late on that anyway.
18:27
@Euler2 It refers to the trials and tribulations of any work one does. It doesn't literally, have much connection to actual wars, but yes, it stems from stories from soldiers in war, shared to one another. But it now means sharing challenges and difficulties, and also successes.
Hahaha @AlexanderGruber
@AlexanderGruber ;P
i'll be right back, i'm gonna take my mom to get ice cream.
Eh i thought it means we will tell stories from ww2 :/
@amWhy: it's gonna be midnight here in two minutes. I will say good night!! And no more lurking in any chatrooms (like I did yesterday).
18:32
@ParamanandSingh ;D Sleep well!
19:08
@AlexanderGruber I'm expecting an ice cream cone when you return :D
19:40
Where's my ice cream, @Alexander? (poker face :-|)
20:30
@amWhy take your pick:
Oh, if that's an Oreo, bottom left, I'll take that one. But the strawberry(?) looks pretty scrumptious too! Thanks, @AlexanderGruber

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