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14:32
Now if you can find me a citation showing that the higher heat of the torch is damaging to the thermocouple, you can convince me why it is a bad habit. — The Evil Greebo 1 hour ago
@TheEvilGreebo Common flame temperatures Says that your Propane torch burns between 1,200 and 1,700 C.
Thermocouple Types Says your K type thermocouple's normal operating temp is between -220 and 1250 C.
So you could indeed be damaging the thermocouple, depending on how hot your flame is.
If you're using a MAPP gas torch, you're in trouble.
Not that I care either way. If you want to blast your thermocouple with a torch, go for it.
15:10
But hitting the thermocouple that's currently at about 10C with a flame that may be 1,700C isn't going to instantly cause the thermocouple to jump outside of its safe operating temp anymore than putting an icecube on the counter causes it to melt instantly
I agree, a long term blast with such a hot flame could be a problem, but I'm doing it for 3-5 seconds
@TheEvilGreebo A plumbers torch to me means MAPP gas (2000C), but you're right a couple seconds even with that should not cause damage.
I'm just being a jerk ;P
No, it's important to point out that it definitely should not be held there for like, a minute - or even 30 seconds
 
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Q: Is it safe to cut and put a compression end on a live cable TV wire?

MrDanielJust moving into a new US location. The location has both Verizon and Comcast available. I am trying to use Comcast. The Verizon installer appears to have cut the Comcast cable that went to an interior wall cable plate, and then ran the other end into the FIOS ONT box's coaxial connection. The C...

FYI: Cable installers hate you, and your crappy wires and connectors.
@Aaron I've been scratching my head at that one. He appears to be providing good advice, but I was worried that he could only be doing so to get access to protected questions for spamming. The main reason for my concern is his user name.
They'll drill holes where they want. And no, they can't just install a splitter so you can watch tv in the bedroom.
@Tester101 Yes, every one of them has been more than happy to express their disgust, but then they also claim that the last installer also used crappy connectors and that theirs are now superior
And it pisses me off when they put a hole in an odd location on aluminum siding, you can't patch aluminum easily.
@BMitch Their connectors are superior!
17:06
@Tester101 That's what the last guy said, about his connectors, which the new guy said was BS because his connectors are now superior. I think they are paid by the crimp.
Oh, you didn't want a hole through your new hardwood floor? Oops, you should have specified in the installation contract.
They may also be paid by hardwood flooring repair companies.
and siding installers
I follow those guys around, and watch them like a hawk. If they start to put a drill where I don't want it, I yell "Hey, What the hell are you doing!?".
BTW, I don't like MS often, but I'll give them a hat tip for this: modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools
And no, I don't say it while they are putting it there. I wait until they are about to pull the trigger, and scare the crap out of them.
17:11
@BMitch I agree with you, the user name is kind of odd
This blowing foam into my stud cavities looks interesting
lunch time, l8r folks
18:04
WOW! Honeywell actually endorses substituting the G wire for a C wire!
that would be a short, right?
I guess it's close enough, the difference between a C and G is that short little line in the middle of the character.
@BMitch They switch it in the furnace too, and then just jumper Y to G in the furnace as well.
You lose the ability to turn on the fan manually, but it will run with the A/C and Heat.
In other words, they swap out the fan line to be reused as a common, with a few intermediate steps. I've heard worse.
18:25
it's not the worst idea ever
I added it to my answer. Since it seems to be approved by Honeywell.
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Q: What should I check if my chainsaw fails to start?

RLZaleskiMy chainsaw stopped working and I've got a tree that fell and needs cut up. What's a checklist to do to troubleshoot / get it started? Start with simple / easy stuff to check and maintenance that needs to be done -> more invasive stuff. I've done a bit of stuff on cars so I'm willing to try to...

Seems like a "Wiki" type question, where a lot of users will offer a bit of information in a bunch of separate answers.
@maple_shaft I think it's "on topic" since we do cover tool maintenance.
@Tester101 That's your call... I just figured since it is a landscaping/outdoors tool that it was a better fit there
but I can understand that it would be ontopic here too. A lot of people take their small engine tools to get repaired, so fixing it yourself can be a DIY thing
18:41
@Tester101 comprehensive answer with troubleshooting steps would be quite constructive
Maybe. But I'm not sure it's a good question yet, so where it belongs is secondary at this point I think.
although really the answer is "consult your owner's manual"
I think it can be edited to help him fix his specific issue with his chainsaw
right now it just asks for a checklist
@Tester101 @waxeagle I edited the question
it should read better now
I have just one more question. Is he cutting weeds with the chainsaw?
"With the spring I need to get on it before the weeds come."
@Tester101 kinda sounds like it, doesn't it?
maybe he had a tree fall and he's concerned about stuff growing up over it?
yes, that's it
18:57
Oh. He doesn't want to stand in weeds while he cuts up the tree.
@Tester101 Can you blame him?
"The user must only carry out the maintenance and service work described in this manual. More extensive work must be carried out by an authorised service workshop."
@Tester101 Yeah thats bullshit
they also say you should only use 200% marked up Husquvarna brand 2 cycle motor oil too
Maintenance described.
- Carburetor adjustment
- Checking, maintaining and servicing chain saw safety equipment
- Muffler
- Air filter
- Spark plug
Those go without saying
what idiot would use a chainsaw before checking the chain?
19:02
@maple_shaft You know me, I'm a rule follower.
and a rusted muffler and dirty air filter aren't going to prevent it from starting
speaking of which, it's about time to roll my mowers out and do some maintenence (forgot to winterize :()
its not a good idea but it wont immediately affect the chainsaw
He said he checked the spark plug, the only thing useful in the manual is instructions how to adjust the fuel mixture on the carb
@maple_shaft I'm with you. Ethanol wreaks havoc on small engines, especially rubber hoses.
^Gets mad when your screwdriver sticks to him.
lol
Probably gets more mad when people think he is rusty and try to rub him with sandpaper
> My name is Magneto, I am a mutant. My special powers consist of dimly lighting an LED attached to a bicycle
19:23
Yeah, I should probably drain the oil and such in my lawnmower too
@waxeagle @Aaron I usually let the oil sit, but will put fuel treatment and run it for a minute to winterize it. That and scrape the bottom and the blade of grass to prevent the underside from rusting out. Generally thats all you have to do
When I am first ready to use it I will change the oil then and the air filter if its dirty
I might drain the oil if I am putting it in storage for over 6 months though
@maple_shaft yeah mine have old gas in them :( I had another mowing to do...but just never did it
That Star Tron stuff is a miracle though
@waxeagle I put that in gas thats been sitting for YEARS and it would run like I first got it
well it sputtered a bit as the carb started burning off the old gunk
@maple_shaft cool. I'll pick some up when I get ready to bring stuff back online
probably another month yet. Wife has family in town on my next Friday off :(
@waxeagle Yeah I recommend it, since I got it, I have never had to clean out a carb
just a tiny little drop is all it needs
19:31
@maple_shaft cool.
19:41
Any tools available to make icons easily?
MS Paint
I have a bunch of applications I created for my personal use, but they are hard to differentiate on Win7 taskbar since they all have the default icon.
I just use this
@maple_shaft Then I need an image.
19:45
On that note.... a remote user is VPN'ing into our network, and he is getting errors associated with an old version of a JS file that I had updated last night. He swears up and down and that he has cleared his browser cache, but he continues to keep getting this error that is indicidative of the older script... any ideas?
@maple_shaft I've had that happen when I had a syntax error in the JS....
actually that was CSS
Same thing on IE, Firefox and Chrome, all of the in office users had this problem, then cleared their broswer cache and everything was fine
I literally don't know what to tell this guy
@maple_shaft PEBKAC?
19:47
he is an investor BTW and he is already angry with us that we didn't read his mind on what he was expecting in the product
PEBKAC?
@maple_shaft problem exists between keyboard and chair?
yeah prolly
Remote into his computer and clear the cache yourself.
i might have to
but he described to me step by step what he was doing and .... he was right
@maple_shaft do you have multiple environments that he might be accessing one that has the wrong JS file?
19:49
That is the only environment he has a logon to, and he gets as far as logging on
I have to remote sometimes because people don't know that '/' is NOT called 'backslash' -- as in AITCH TEE TEE PEEP COLON BACKSLASH BACKSLASH
So the suggestion to try Domain\Username instead of username invariably ends up being typed Domain/Username
http:\\uuuuuudotgoogledotcom
@maple_shaft they should really buy that
no money for graphic design... and because I am the developer I am expected to be all things for all people
i am so fucking sick of this
wtf did he expect? I never told him that I was GOOD at graphic desing
he has to keep bringing up how amateur and shitty everything looks
sounds like you need careers.stackoverflow.com :)
19:59
@maple_shaft Think you need a vacation.
I think it's Startup time. What should we build?
@Tester101 i need a new career
I want to be an electrician
@maple_shaft That's back breaking work. Especially if you're starting out when you're not a snot nosed punk.
@Tester101 idc about that
It's more pulling wires than making connections.
20:02
idc about that
Its something I understand where I am actually accomplishing something of value
software development is just such a complete waste of human capital
@maple_shaft Contact your local IBEW
@Tester101 The union electricians don't have a good reputation around here
They take on apprentices all the time.
they are presumed too expensive entitled and lazy by people in the trades around here
It's one of the best ways to get into the trade.
20:06
@Tester101 true
Do your apprenticeship with IBEW, then move on.
My wife doesn't support the idea obviously because it is a huge paycut
Just remember, you'll have to take some night classes as part of the apprentice program.
she wants a kid
that will be tough on apprentice money
probably will just take out a huge life insurance policy on myself.... have dehabilitating stress until I die of a heart attack at the age of 40
@maple_shaft Software development is what makes the USA great
20:14
I thought it was The Second Amendment.
And Jesus.
just because one hasn't wired a house doesn't mean that one hasn't produced anything of value
@Aaron Very few of us are afforded the luxury of contributing to truly useful and valuable software
Value is in the eye of the beholder
the guy that wrote awk, that's very valuable
Let's talk GFCI's
Sure, if you're writing an auto-thumbnailing software for a porn company to put up their DVDs on their website, that's a different question
@Tester101 why does my nightlight GFCI flicker and sometimes stay dim?
20:17
Clearly my beholders think the value of my output is shit... so yeah... GFCI's
If I install a GFCI on the load side of another GFCI, will I have nuisance tripping?
A related question - is this GFCI upside down or not?
@maple_shaft Sometimes you need to hit rock bottom before you can move on to a new career.
@Tester101 yes
20:19
@maple_shaft Can you back that statement up with facts?
Why? Why would there be nuisance tripping?
@Tester101 Nope
just personal anecdotes
I've never seen it happen, and logically I can't figure out why it would.
What in there would cause it?
I can see them both tripping at once -- that having one further down the line won't isolate a portion of the circuit.
20:23
If there is a fault, I could see more than one potentially tripping. Maybe.
I think it's guaranteed. The fault will propagate faster than the trip.
Right, but the fault has to be there long enough to cause a trip. Once the circuit is opened, the fault is cleared.
I've not heard of the hot called a 'ungrounded connector' before, but I may have to start using it
The fault is near instantaneous. The trip happens at mechanical speeds.
The resistor causes the current flow of the grounded conductor to no longer match the current flow of the ungrounded conductor... this tests the trip mechanism and the magnetic sensor... the magnetic sensor is instantaneous even though the trip is mechanical
20:27
@Aaron NEC says: Hot = "ungrounded conductor", Neutral = "Grounded conductor", Ground = "Equipment Grounding Conductor".
that is why they can both trip sometimes
they can both pick the fault up instantaneously
@Aaron Don't you read my answers? I use those terms quite a bit.
@maple_shaft But both tripping isn't really nuisance tripping. There was a fault.
@Tester101 I don't really understand it, but if you look in the installation instructions of your typical GFCI outlet, it states not to install a GFCI outlet on a GFI protected circuit
@Tester101 I guess I just scan over those parts
@Aaron Don't worry. I don't read them either.
20:31
they wouldn't state this unless there was a reason other than, it is pointless and wasteful
Maybe the guys at Electrical Engineering can explain?
I also advise following facebook.com/MinnesotaHomeInspections for some advice of "what not to do"
@maple_shaft I can't find it in the installation guide.
@Tester101 I am sure I read it there.
where did I read this?
I find this interesting. pdf
I didn't just come up with this idea off the top of my head, I read it somewhere of some kind of authority
20:43
"DO NOT install the GFCI receptacle in an electrical box containing (a) more than four (4) wires (not including the grounding wires) or (b) cables with more than two (2) wires (not including the grounding wire). Contact a qualified electrician if either (a) or (b) are true"
What if I have a 4 gang box?
@Tester101 sounds like you'd either have to install it earlier in the circuit, or do it at the breaker
Could it be an induced current issue?
@waxeagle So if I have a 3 gang box with a light control, a fan control, and a GFCI receptacle. I can't install the GFCI in that box?
@Tester101 heck, if you have a 2 gang box with a 3 way switch in it you're screwed.
Can a box be partitioned?
20:48
Oh, wait. I see. They are covering their own ass. They say contact an Electrician, which means "we can't figure out what is going on in your box (since we're just a piece of paper), so you'd better call somebody who knows what the heck is going on."
From a mike holt forum:... theres nothing wrong with putting gfci outlets down stream from a gfci already protecting the circuit.... when one trips by fault or a good thunder clap.its going to cost the owner a service call to repair, the down stream outlets are dead do to any of up stream gfci tripping, and they wont reset.
Edited for length
Really I think it's just a "nuisance" to reset the GFCI's, since you'll have to do them in the proper order.
I concur.
@ChrisCudmore You can partition a box. In fact, you have to if the voltage potential between the devices is greater than 300V (I think).
@Tester101 yes. >4 wires = confused DIYer
20:57
@Tester101 Does that mean that it is Code if a licensed electrician does it, but NOT CODE if a DIY'er does it?
No conclusive response on EE
21:13
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A: What should I check if my chainsaw fails to start?

Michael SchmitzAre you choking it properly? I had a problem once where my chainsaw wouldn't start because the choke switch wouldn't stay in the choke position. I opened up the chainsaw and saw that a hook had fallen off so the switch wasn't actually engaging anything. If you are looking over your chainsaw, y...

there's a joke in there about "Choking your chainsaw" that I am so tempted to make
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From EE: if you look at how they work, it is highly unlikely that cascading them wile give you false faults.
@Tester101 no, that's just because you can't have stupid homeowner figure out which are the line and which are load to a good enough degree to avoid lawsuits
21:39
EE: What happens will probably be determined by variability of manufacturing, but one will probably go first (with no way of determining which)
EE: Don't do it anyways because it's inspector bait. <-- Full concurence on this.
 
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23:54
can I use a lit match to test a CO detector?

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