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Day 100.
Fanatic is mine (I assume it has to process at some point...)
Ah, there it is
 
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Q: Can I safely ground a light fixture if the ceiling box has two hot and one neutral wire (no ground wire)

JaydlesChecking for dupes, I saw this question, but the situation appears different as my box is metal, among other things. I'm fairly new to electrical projects, so bear with me. I recently installed a new light fixture in a ceiling connection in a new building. The fixture has black, white, and e...

@Tester101 You are a smarter electrical guy than myself. Am I giving poor advice here?
@maple_shaft measuring 120V from line to possible ground, does not always mean you have a solid ground. Checking continuity between neutral and possible ground would be a better test, but testing continuity between the grounding electrode conductor and possible ground would be best.
Your answer isn't bad, but it makes a lot of assumptions and guesses. Which could be dangerous.
I guess connecting line to the box, and energizing the circuit is a good ground test though.
13:39
@Tester101 When you say continuity test you mean testing ohms between neutral and ground?
on the voltimeter?
should be 0 for a continuity I would think
@maple_shaft Continuity just verifies there is an electrical path between two points. You could also measure resistance, since infinite resistance would tell you there is no continuity.
@Tester101 right... I always just set my meter to ohms and if it shows 0 between two points then I assume they are connected
the way I was taught... not sure if it is the best way
13:57
@maple_shaft The only difference is that the continuity function usually has an audible signal.
So you don't have to look at the meter.
14:47
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Q: Wireing an exhaust fan

HankIm replacing an exhaust fan. I have 3 wires coming from the ceiling. I can only get the vanity light to work and when I wire the other wire to it, it trips the breaker. What am I doing wrong

You didn't hire an electrician. — The Evil Greebo 1 min ago
sometimes you just want to swear at them in an answer
WHAT THE **** ARE YOU ****ING DOING YOURE GOING TO ****ING KILL YOUR ****ING SELF!
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good - it thins out the gene pool
friday and monday went to court for my 4 tickets. the whole ordeal has now cost me SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS.
vtc nrq
points?
@lsiunsuex Tip: STOP SPEEDING! ITS CHEAPER
no points, no driving school - everything knocked down to parking tickets
tickets are also cheaper when paid on time
@lsiunsuex worth the money then...
14:58
fridays speeding ticket from 1 year ago cost me $100, yesterdays 3 tickets, 1 tail light bulb dead and the 2 suspension tickets - 1 got thrown out and the other 2 reduced to parking tickets, $100 first, $70 second ticket
putting the final total at 700.
i was there for 5 hours because last week was a holiday and all those court cases got pushed to yesterday. lawyers get to go first, so we stood in the hallway waiting to speak to the DA for hours.
i've been to a lot of courts (6 now that i've counted), and this one by far, was the least organized
anyways - what happens to PUT that it falls on thanksgiving? i made progress on the bedroom this weekend!
Project Update Tuesday!
woot!
took (someones) advice - redid the corners - didnt sand first - put a good amount of mud into the corner, used the corner trowl to put it nice and strait and consistant - still drying as of yesterday - next i'll knock down the edges with a knife and use a 8 inch knife to fether that into the wall
a light sanding and i'll be ready for paint this weekend - broke down and bought electrical wire (still couldn't find my spool) - finished the lights - that all works
"I tried calling you at 9pm last night, but you didn't answer your phone, so I got login credentials to the server from someone else, logged on, didn't see anything, logged off, and the problem went away".... Now I need to bash my own head against the wall.
@lsiunsuex We eat turkey while we PUT.
no laptops at the dining room table!
15:08
What's with the flood of "I need an Electrician, but instead I'll ask a question with almost no detail on the internet." questions?
"I have traced back and nothing jumps out at me, no Oh huh's Reading before about neutrals being bundled together made sense?" Is this a question?
Bathroom cat agrees:
i need my dremel back from my father - also decided to start re-wiring the 3 outlets in the family room that i lost when i started disconnecting old power from bedrooms on the 2nd floor. the electrical boxes are the old metal ones that nail into the face and side of the 2x4 and i need to cut out the plaster and lath so i can remove the box and put a new one in its place so i can wire the box from the basement and not somewhere in the abyss that is the ceiling
KITTY!
and this tool is your best friend in the world for precision plaster/drywall cutting:
@TheEvilGreebo i have the dremel in that photo
Plaster and lath eat the teeth!
15:13
oh ok
i was thinking dremel rotating tool
tester: use the masonry blade
Oh. never thought of that.
bottom right
ahh, no - i used that thing throughout the majority of my remodeling till it got clogged with drywall dust, my father took it home to clean it (got it to work) and i've never seen it since haha
For cutting lath, nothing works better.
for sure - goes through both the plaster and lath with minimal disturbance
obviously i can take it out with a hammer, but i'm trying not to damage anymore of the wall than i have to
15:16
@lsiunsuex Oh you're no fun anymore
@TheEvilGreebo i'm poor - re: $700 in tickets. had that not happened, yeah, tear the down the f***ing wall!!!
I usually accidentally cause more damage than necessary when working on plaster and lath walls, so I can replace as much as possible with drywall.
that is fiberglass flooring - a very soft, flexible rolled material, nice and comfy on the feet
@TheEvilGreebo i like it
15:17
@TheEvilGreebo Looks good.
we had the stuff folded over itself. vinyl/linoleum would have snapped - this didn't even crease
i dunno why but this pic strikes me as funny
How is that compared to linoleum, price-wise?
it was a bit more
hang on
$190 (tax incl) for 6x12
$2.63/sqft
not bad
why not tile? home depot has nice / cheap floor tile
couple reasons
1) it's cold - and we didn't want to fiddle w/ radiant
2) Our house isn't in prime neighborhood - a tile floor in the bath that was really nice would be overkill
3) this was easy to install, looks good, and feels good
its soft enough I can kneel on it with my bum knee and not hurt
its like 5/16" thick or something
and yet we could literally fold it back on itself while trimming with no damage
15:22
sounds logical
oh yeah - 4) Its a single sheet so it won't let water seep
we didn't waterproof the floor after all
my wife has a sense of humor
It amused me that I had to do this as well... I wanted to be sure the rough in cleared the drawers after all...
I tried but I couldn't work in another compression fitting
@TheEvilGreebo You missed a piece.
"That was extra, they always include extras" --- what I told my wife.
the piping under my kitchen sink is almost tripple that - when we redid the main drain pipe, we didnt account for tiling under the cabinets - so nothing lined up - its a work of art. i'll take a picture tonight
I noticed that. Even when I take things apart, there are always extra parts after I put it back together.
Seems like a waste to build things like that.
15:28
@Tester101 actually I deliberately bought way extra stuff
i had flex fittings and extra pipe and 90s and 45s ...
i swear the spout's off center... one day I might even fix it
@TheEvilGreebo it is off center, mike holmes would gut your entire bathroom to fix that.
@BMitch YAY! Free visit from Mike Holmes!
yes, i know the paint line is crooked on the right side
Mrs. Evil is gonna touch that up w/ a #0 brush from Michaels
my wife does that - shes anal about the straitness of paint lines
Thanks for pointing that out Testudo
Something else we learned with this type of install:
15:34
All that hard work, and then you go and install the faucet crooked. -10.
Didn't realize at first that i was changing the height of the valves
with the brass ring
took me a good 15 minutes to figure out why the cold water side was grinding when I turned it
then I noticed that the hot side had about 1/16" between its base and the vanity top while the cold was touching
so AFTER we had already siliconed the top to the cabinet I was underneath it with a philips loosening up the damn thing
no matter how hard I try to avoid it, I always end up stuffed in a tiny cabinet
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you can see it there
anyway i will fine tune the positioning soon enough, @Tester101, please don't downvote me :)
call a plumbing inspector! hes an amateur!
@lsiunsuex NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo‌​oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.............................................‌​.......
wtf. google couldn't find a meme as fast as you guys do.
ACK! It's @maple_shaft
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Q: Is it typical for the metal of corner bead to be exposed after it is finished being mudded?

oscilatingcretinI hired a company to finish the drywall job in my room. One of the things that sticks out like a sore thumb is the exposed edges of corner bead. I have never seen corner bead exposed like this. Isn't it supposed to be covered with a coat of mud or are you actually supposed to paint over it?

@TheEvilGreebo Yes it is I
@maple_shaft That guy has the worst drywallers in the world
@maple_shaft It is you what?
15:51
> Is this a typical installation by professional drywallers working for a company with a solid A rating backed by lots of reviews on Angie's list?
lol fuck Angies List
@TheEvilGreebo The drywallers must not realize they are drywalling a murder room.
I was debating buying a subscription but not now
Angie's List : Bolster your own reputation and gain instant credibility TODAY
@maple_shaft It's not hard to rip off a person who has no idea what you do, or how you're supposed to be doing it.
I only drywalled once in my life and I did a better job than that, following instructions I printed off online
15:53
@Tester101 Speaking of that, hey @Tester101, let me tell you about this amazing new product I'm selling! ;)
What is it with the seeming flood of 0 rep users asking ... fairly silly questions?
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Q: Install a photocell in my security lighting plan

DaddyDocI plan on installing three LED security lights to my home. I would like to have them turn on and off with a photocell. I am going to have a switch and then install the lights in parallel. I am not sure how to add the photocell. I have also read that some photocell act like dimmers and I know th...

I mean --- how about read the box before you buy?
@TheEvilGreebo The "silly question" part is standard for the Internet
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Q: What type of wood should I use to resurface my table?

OxinaboxA club at uni has this great big old table. (about 1220mm by 2420mm) It was made by I don't know who over 20 years ago. The legs and framework are great, but the table top is chipboard which has become all flaky and bad. Someone decided to sand it down - which of course only made it worse. They w...

And the new users are probably here for the hats
why, would a wire brush or an angle grinder be anywhere near a wooden table?
@lsiunsuex I asked a very similar question once only instead of "a wooden table" the words I used were "my knee"...
(fell off my bike, had gravel ground into my open wounds...)
16:01
I accidentally poured myself a cup of maxwell house...man that stuff is awful.
@waxeagle had a cup of green mountain yesterday; was the same as a laxative
They were all new bulbs from two different packages. Yes, wiring has been triple checked, green to green, white to white, black and blue to black. Its at my parents house and can get this Thursday. How do I test the sockets? — riotburn 8 mins ago
Stick your finger in the socket. If you don't think twice about doing it again, there is no voltage at the socket.
@Tester101 use a spray bottle and shoot water at it. see if it sparks
@Tester101 lol. I've got at least 2 fixtures where the socket is bad...I'll probably replace the whole fixture before I try to replace the socket
@lsiunsuex Hmm. Don't think that would work.
16:06
as long as its not distilled - regular tap water should have enough salt in it to cause a short
Yeah, but I don't think it would spark.
It feels wrong to answer my own question after less than 24 hours.
@lsiunsuex The reason you get "sparks" is because the arc between two conductors is hot/powerful enough to melt one or both of the conductors.
@MatthewPK I've answered questions at the same time as asking them. In fact, the site gives you that option.
@Tester101 Not always, many machines use spark gaps made of tungsten. It's not melting the tungsten, it's ionizing the air between the nodes.
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A: Can I support a granite countertop overhang with embedded steel bars?

Matthew PKBased on the flexibility of the flat bar stock, I decided to use square 1/2" tube stock. Using a 3/4" MDF subtop, I routed channels 5/8" wide and 9/16" deep. I then filled these channels with polyurethane glue, set in the steel bars, and finally I used a drywall knife to spread and flatten glue ...

16:15
Yes, @Tester101, but you have also asked questions specifically to provide an informative answer to other readers.
@MatthewPK If you figured out the answer on your own then answer it. I did that on SO the other day
@MatthewPK I was explaining to @lsiunsuex why you wouldn't get a spark by spraying water into a light socket.
@Tester101 Ah
16:43
@MatthewPK There's nothing wrong with it. It's a good question, and a good answer. It's not some guilty onanistic pleasure.
17:31
So, my project updates are going to be boring for the next month. I fell off my bike on Saturday and landed on my face.
Code 3 ride in the meat wagon, CAT scans, hospital stays, morphine, etc. followed.
@KarlKatzke Ouch! Should we buy training wheels for you for Christmas?
I want to improve the radiators in my house but I have a question about thermastatic valves. Is that on topic here?
@TheEvilGreebo My GF's dad already offered them. :-P
@DaveRook sure, but if it's a real question, please ask it on the site (and then we can discuss it in here if you'd like)
@KarlKatzke Do you feel the love? Seriously though - how bad?
@DaveRook What @Aaron said
17:33
@TheEvilGreebo Not that bad. Fractures around my eyeball, but nothing that requires surgery. Minor concussion, just bad enough to keep me overnight. In a lot of pain for now, already starting to settle down a bit.
Will do. Thanks
@KarlKatzke Well - get well soon
man, I could not find a handy box electrical cover that was decora style, so I ended up getting a couple of square ones instead. More room to work with anyhow
@KarlKatzke lucky you didnt die dude - sisters friends father fell off of a bicycle - no helmet - hit his head on the ground - died in minutes
Thanks. I'll be in and out .. .just wanted to let people know why I disapparated and haven't been making progress. Yeah, @lsiunsuex ... that was quite possible for me. I wasn't wearing a helmet.
17:35
good luck dude.
@KarlKatzke Can we take "you dumbass" as written in this instance, then?
Thanks. What happened to me was like the LEAST WORST possible ways to come out of this. I had immediate medical care and was taken straight to the hospital.
@TheEvilGreebo Definitely.
Very fortunate
facial injuries are no fun
my friends 5 yr old fell out a 3rd story window face first onto concrete early this year - terrifying
though now, 6 months later, you'd not know it from how he bounced back
Yeah, I'm gonna be looking a bit like Mayhem for the next few months.
But since nothing required surgery there's no further damage. I just have to stay drugged and keep from sleeping on it.
Glad you're still with us
17:38
new DIY.SE feature! Public Wills; for when DIY members darwin themselves, give back to the community they helped build. Donate tools to be distro'd through the community!
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(trying to make light :) )
hahahahaha. Yeah, seriously!
Make it a standard feature for new registrants
That'd provide a lot of accusations that you guys only keep me around because I find it necessary to buy every tool known to man.
Karl, Karl, Karl. We don't WANT you to die... we only want to profit from it if you DO!
17:44
heh!
So is there a good way to arrange tools besides loose in a tool bag so that I can find stuff easily? and something the size of a pegboard is too big
I use a 5 gal bucket with a bucket hanger. (sort of like a skirt for the bucket)
And I use a bunch of larger totes for tool storage on the bench, putting just what I need for the job into the bucket.
i use the orange tool bins from home depot - i have like 5 of them broken into categories (paint, electrical, plumbing, etc...) and then a nice husky rigid bag with a shoulder strap for everyday stuff - cordless drill, screw drivers, network tools, etc...
i swear when we finally finish the bath we need 3 days more to reorganize our tools
they've gone everywhere
@TheEvilGreebo Agreed... I'm in that state now with the projects I had running before the accident. That's one of the reasons I use the tote bins; I put what they contain on the label on their side and I can sic my girlfriend or a well-meaning but home-improvement-challenged friend on sorting things.
17:58
we have a bunch of lidded tubs for storing tools/materials in a similar fashion
but during a project they get all discombobulated
<--- has this problem
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Q: How do you determine if a door is Right Handed (RH) or Left Handed (LH)?

mohlsenI am replacing a few interior doors and I need to know if the existing door is Right Handed or Left Handed so I have them drilled correctly. Sounds like the acronyms for this are RH and LH. This also would apply for new pre-hung doors as well I assume as they are all marked that way at the mega...

if YOU are left handed, everything else is right handed
@lsiunsuex I got the wife a pair of left handed scissors back when we were dating and she was completely unable to use them
she's so used to using right handed stuff backwards
@Aaron same here
I also gave her a left handed can opener and she almost cut herself using it
18:11
@KarlKatzke bike
or bike?
18:29
18:48
$300 for light, sawzall, impact driver, 3/8 drill/driver, and 3 batteries
So many comments... so few answers. ;) — The Evil Greebo yesterday
says the person that has yet to tell us his home water pressure levels
i don't have a meter - i'm gonna get one!
Eventually!
@TheEvilGreebo Baah, those things are like $10 or less at any big box store. I say we close your question as NARQ for insufficient data. :)
Does the water company come and fix it if you have too high water pressure in your house?
just close the valve a bit, no ?
18:58
@Aaron Nope, it's your problem, you've got to install a PRV
Yeah the gauge is $10. The prv is $60 and the connectors for it are another I dunno, $15ish?
see i've done some research!
@lsiunsuex I don't see how closing the main valve would decrease pressure in the pipes
It might decrease volume
New topic: Insulated vinyl siding, a good idea?
less volume == less pressure no ?
@Aaron not the main valve
a prv is a pressure reducing valve
@Aaron agreed, it only slows the flow after you've exhausted anything that's built up on the inside of your house.
@lsiunsuex no, turn off all the fixtures in your house, you can have 100psi, and only 1 gal/min of volume
19:00
@lsiunsuex think of a garden nozzle, if you decrease the diameter, you increase the pressure coming out the other end
(and decrease the flow)
if i have an outdoor garden hose - and i open the water valve just a bit, just a bit of water trickles out. if i open it all the way, much more will come out and faster
@lsiunsuex open the valve just a bit on a 1/8" diameter hose
Yeah, but If you crank it down THAT much it won't be usable
vs open the valve just a bit on a 1/2" hose
volume and pressure are two variables, not one
understandable - i think it would work
19:02
PV=nRT, boyles law in the house
obviously not the main house value - surely there is a valve controlling the lines going to this bathroom
main valves, however, aren't meant to be pressure valves - they're supposed to be all on or all off
It's not just a good idea, ITS THE LAW
^^ PRV
^^ shutoff valve
oops
dangit why isn't that posting
@TheEvilGreebo one box doesn't work on an edit
19:06
CAUSE YOUR WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wella nyway
and this outlet box was like $8
FTN
there are no good pics of a shutoff valve I can find
of the inside i mean
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Q: Why do my pipes bang when running hot water in my kitchen?

CaffGeekAfter a minute or so of hot water running in my kitchen the pipes start to knock, and water doesn't come out in a stream. It is like there is air getting in. What is happening, and how can I fix it?

obstruction in the pipes?
failing valve is my guess, possibly the diverter to the spray attachment
knocking hot water pipes are caused by cockroaches in the pipes exploding due to the high temperature - cut a portion of the pipe out (4 to 6 inches depending on if you live in NYC or Chicago) and let the living ones escape and flush the dead ones out with more water
19:19
@Aaron That's the ideal gas law :P
hmm
good point. They're all related anyways
19:38
Holy crap! 56 up votes on my answer to this question!?
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Q: What is the purpose of these holes on my wire stripper?

Antoine I have been using this wire stripper for a while, but I have always wondered what was the purpose of those holes in the center and above LOOP, and those teeth on the handles.

in 7 hours, nonetheless
must have hit the SE hot list
I always just used my needlenose pliers to make loops instead of the stripper
@BMitch Sounds like an answer
20:00
... speaking to my mother yesterday about plans for the house in the spring - she says stop spending money on the house and move on / build a new one
i have 2 rooms left - a bedroom and the bathroom - to remodel
how wrong would it be to finish up my work and leave those 2 rooms as is?
@lsiunsuex Are you planning to sell the house in the near future?
i would sell with the intention to build new - not in the near future but within a couple years
There's very little "wrong" in business transactions so long as you are not misrepresenting facts
@Aaron right - i would make known whats left to be done - and its not like you couldn't tell by looking at it - new vs old
@lsiunsuex don't forget, the neighborhood sets the market value of a house. If you improve the house too much, you'll never get that money back when you sell.
20:04
i mean, we're talking another 1500 to finish the last bedroom and another 5000-7000 to do the bathroom
so thats 8k that could go into a down payment on a new build
@lsiunsuex Will you be able to list the house for $8k more when you're done?
If you're thinking of selling, you should only be making improvements that will increase your returns.
the changes to the bathroom - yeah, for sure - its crappy - the changes to the bedroom - meh - it would be a complete gut as it always is (new windows, insulation, blah blah blah) - is that stuff of value to a buyer? yeah, probably - house had original single payne windows
If you plan to live in a house forever (or a long time), you can do whatever you want without thinking about returns.
stuff the house needs: 3 new windows (and then all the windows are new vinyl double pane), new roof on garage. stuff the house could use: remodeled bathroom. nicities: new privacy fence
@lsiunsuex Yes, but you will only be able to ask what the market (neighborhood) dictates. You won't get $200K for a house in an area where the average home sells for $50K.
20:08
i mean, really, asside from studs and exterior surface, the house is new.
understood
Not renovating is not "wrong"
Lying to the potential customer would be wrong.
and i guess when i bought it, i didnt care. i did what i wanted because i could and didnt care if i got it back cause i would enjoy it while i was there
if you get value from doing the work and don't care about the money then do the work :)
It's not always about new vs. old. Take @TheEvilGreebo for example. He installed a cheaper floor in his bathroom, because tile would have been too much for his area.
@Tester101 Tru dat
plus tile was a lot more work than we wanted to do :)
20:10
right - in the kitchen we did a granite tile on the counter tops because a solid slab would have been to upscale for the neighborhood - cost me about half and looks almost as good
so we have "cut" corners like that
elsewhere, we didn't - the best furnace i could get (98% efficient as opposed to 90-95), etc...
i didnt do window inserts, i gutted the window and did new construction windows (re-framed and trimmed), etc...
granite tile countertops?
I've never seen that before, and those grout lines would drive me nuts
grout lines are only 1/8th inch sanded grout - not bad to keep clean - black grout to match the tile
they cut the bullnose right into the tile so there is no "face" tile - its a solid tile over the edge
$1500 to do the whole thing (dad and I ) opposed to 3200 for solid slabs
Is that the entire countertop you're showing me there, or is there another piece?
just one side
What'd you have to put down across the middle of the cabinets to keep the middle up?
20:16
we reinforced the corners of the cabinets with blocks of 2x4's and the countertop has a sub counter of 1/2 inch plywood covered with 1/4 inch concrete board
all per manufactuer instructions, not our concoction
Strap your butt on a penguin!
interesting - install isntructions say stick wax ring to toilet then put toilet on floor
i've never done that - i always put the ring on the floor
is that wrong?
and if so, why?
Interesting, we just put the granite right on the countertop
anyways - as it stands right now - for the spring i think i'm gonna enclose the patio where the pizza oven is, turazzo the floor and tile the walls with glass french doors - which will probably be 5-7k if i do it with dad (just cause we're italian and know people that do turazzo) - i can go on and on with making changes to this house. but its not big enough for us - and i probably should cut any losses and build
You didn't want to put some more wall cabinets above that 2nd counter area and move those pans into a base cabinet? Those things are horribly space in-efficient
20:23
@Aaron she really liked the pot rack idea and there isn't much base cabinet space as it stands. they would have taken a lot of space.
@TheEvilGreebo I always stick the ring to the toilet. I find it's easier to line up that way, and I'm not sliding the toilet around on the ring disfiguring it.
hmm
thats food for thought
the wall where the pot rack is - the other side is the dining room - id like to cut a hole in the wall and make a pass through but she won't give up the pot rack
we wanted to make a really large hole in the wall and cut out a lot of that wall, but all the duct work for the upstairs rooms goes up that wall, so we ended up just doing about 3 stud bays worth instead of the lot more that we wanted
@Tester101 thats basically what it was - the nose tile on ours is cut into the field tile - makes it 1 solid piece. tile is more expensive cause of that (inside corner tile by the stove was something like $250 / tile) but it looks better this way
20:27
@lsiunsuex did you have to move up the upper cabinets or anything to allow for the extra layer of plywood and concrete board?
no - when we hung the uppers we accounted for a standard countertop height - with the plywood / densboard it came out just about the same
the only thing we didnt account for like i said earlier today was the plumbing - we didnt account for tiling under the cabinets and so the drain for the sink was off by a few inches which caused us to get creative with the pipes
This looks interesting Lazy Granite
omg, seems like ages ago
so because we tiled under the cabinets, incase the cabinets were ever to be changed without changing the floor, and because the floor was so f'ed up from corner to corner, the drain pipe was off. no big deal - pain in the ass
@lsiunsuex What do you mean by "off"? too low?
it pitched, from corner to corner, because the house settled over 100 years, about 1.5 inches
so we built up the low side with concrete board
20:41
"the drain pipe was off"
oh, sorry
to low, yes - to low by standard pipe lengths
So you couldn't fit a trap, or you needed a longer tailpiece?
21:17
I missed that one on the first go-round
 
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22:31
@lsiunsuex You can get prefab granite and install it yourself. It is very easy.
@TheEvilGreebo Wax ring on toilet, then toilet on floor. This assures you get a good seal of the wax to the toilet base. Then it's easier to set the conical flange into your toilet gasket rather than setting the underside of the toilet onto the wax, centered.

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