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03:01
And the questions about drywall screw depth continues. I'd suggest inviting the user to the chat room if I hadn't already posted that he may be creating a sound proof torture room.
from this to deleting this
recreating as this, to now asking this
 
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13:23
@TheEvilGreebo, the question is pretty bad (ornamental fish tanks aren't really DIY) but I think your comment is worth converting to an answer: diy.stackexchange.com/questions/20817/…
 
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14:26
@BMitch Done - though I can't "convert" (if that's an option at some level) so I just made an answer.
We now have in our bathroom:
- A floor
- A vanity
- A TOILET!!!!!!!!
One truly cannot appreciate having a toilet on the same floor as one's bedroom until one hasn't had one for an extended period...
@TheEvilGreebo +1
@TheEvilGreebo +100
Nov 15 at 20:01, by Tester101
Everybody loves a good dump.
Now if you'll excuse me, it's time to christen the toilet
Enjoy!
14:31
That was the BEST PEE EVER!
15:17
So after reading this question, and digging through IRC. I can't find anywhere that "Requires" a hood be installed.
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Q: Is an exhaust fan over a gas range required?

ChrisAre we required to have one in a standard kitchen with a gas range in a residential home? The big question is not how many CFM or ducted or not, just whether there is a requirement in the building codes. I live in New Jersey, US.

The best I could find, was that it does say the manufacturers installation instructions must be followed. So I guess a hood is only required, if the manufacturer says so?
Also, can we please, please, please stop asking this question.
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Q: Is using 15 amp components on a 20 amp breaker against code?

KellenjbI have noticed in a few different houses in Oklahoma that 20 amp breakers are used, but all of the outlets and switches only seem to be rated for 15 amps. This goes against everything I know to be proper and safe. The wire used is 12 gauge, so at least that is fine. I have started to replace all...

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Q: Will a 15A receptacle on a 20A circuit fail if I draw over 15A combined from each outlet?

Matthew PKOR: is the rating for the entire receptacle or each outlet individually? A common 15A receptacle has two outlets. If such a receptacle is attached to a 20A circuit, an 8A draw from each outlet will not trip the breaker. Should such a draw cause the receptacle to fail? Or is the rating for each ...

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Q: Is it OK to have a 20 Amp receptacle on a circuit with 12 AWG wiring and a 15 Amp breaker?

RobertI have a hypothetical question: If you have a 15 Amp breaker connected to a 20 Amp T type outlet with (20 Amp) 12 AWG wire, is it within code, below code, or above code, where code means the National Electrical Code. This is due to a discussion I had with a colleague that insists it is not with...

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Q: Can I use the tabs to chain 15A outlets on a 20A circuit?

jamietreWhen wiring 15A-rated outlet receptacles on a 20A circuit, is it acceptable to use the tabs & screws to chain the circuit from one outlet to the next? My instinct to overengineer says to use pigtails to pass the power to the next outlet and wire the receptacle, but this takes up more space i...

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Hey, tester - I have a 20A circuit but I've only got a 15A outlet here... is that ok?
@Tester101 close them as dupes
@TheEvilGreebo NO. It's not. You have to have either a 15A duplex receptacle, or multiple single 15A receptacles.
It's not like these devices fail instantly the moment current is greater that 15A.
But what if I have a 15A switch and a 20A circuit - can I use THAT?
@TheEvilGreebo Stick in a 15 A breaker, and you're fine.
15:30
15A is OK, but 15.00000001A causes the receptacle to explode violently.
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OOOH I like explodies
Or are you just being EVIL?
@ChrisCudmore it's in his name, what do you think?
@TheEvilGreebo That's a different section of code.
Actually, If I have a 20A circuit, with a branch off of it feeding a light fixture @2 x 100 W, A 15A switch should be safe. Probably not to code, but safe.
15:33
I don't care, really, cause I HAVE A TOILET! :D
I can't see myself able to pull 20A through that configuration --- Unless I was intentionally trying to destroy things.
@TheEvilGreebo Looks like you could get a lot of reading done there.
now i have to get ready to go to DC - closing on my cousin's house today (they're overseas, I've got POA for them for this)
16:33
I want to be a electrical device tester.
I was just reading through the UL test procedures.
Basically they wire up a receptacle to a 125V 1000A source with an appropriate breaker (15, 20, etc.), then they plug in a 2ft cord with the non plug ends twisted and soldered together.
If the breaker trips, the receptacle passes. If the receptacle emits sparks or magic smoke, it fails.
@Tester101 that sounds both fun and slightly dangerous
They also have to pass an overload test, and withstand 150% their rated amperage.
Didn't read it yet, but I think the GFCI test is to stick their tongue in the hot side of the receptacle.
@Tester101 nah, they do that for fun. beats coffee every time.
Mmm. Tastes like burning.
quick question. I've got a switch for my porch lights that has some play to it. If I wiggle it the lights go on an off. Is that as simple as a loose connection to the switch?
16:44
@waxeagle You wiggle the whole switch, or just the knob/lever?
@Tester101 I think it's the whole switch. But I'm not sure.
Could be bad connection, or bad contacts in the switch. Depends on what's moving.
@Tester101 guess I won't know til I pull it apart
I had a switch once that if you pushed the lever up past "ON", the light would turn off.
But once you released the lever, it would settle back into the "ON" position.
@Tester101 interesting. This one you can turn it "on" and nothing happens, but if you wiggle it it will turn on, but might go off or flicker...
wife is demanding porch lights, and I don't like using it in it's current state because I'd really rather not burn the house down...so I've gotta get it fixed.
16:51
@waxeagle For the dollar or whatever a switch costs, just replace it. That should fix either problem.
Switches do go bad.
@Tester101 yep, it's a double switch so it's a bit more, but small price to pay.
also still wondering wtf the 4th switch in that panel does.
both of our outside light switches are 3 gang boxes with 4 switches, and on both of them we have no idea what the 4th switch does...
first switch controls room lights, second is outside floods, third is porch lights, fourth is? maybe at one point it was (or was intended) to be outside outlets, but they aren't actually live right now...
and they don't have outlets in them :(
Tester101
NEC 2012 404.19 Inoperable switches. Each building shall contain a minimum of one inoperable switch. Exception: A building containing exactly one switch, shall be exempt.
@ChrisCudmore too true. You go through when you buy a new house and play the "what does this do game" seems like cheating when the answer is nothing...
17:11
I walked through a house once, and found a switch that appeared to do nothing. My mother-in-law pointed out that the owners surround sound system was turning on/off, as I flipped the switch 100 times in rapid succession.
Oops. Hope you weren't attached to your presets.
@Tester101 lol
so the garage circuit has the garage door opener, an outside light, and an inside light on it
I'm going to splice in a receptacle box right near the front of the garage, I think that should be enough to operate a compressor
hmm, 10amp draw
17:30
@Aaron What size compressor (HP)?
Oh. I thought you were talking about a big compressor. As long as you don't run the garage door while the compressor is running, you should be fine.
I kept having to drag the cord inside and halfway across the basement
until I was like 'wait a minute....'
Should I install just one duplex outlet or 2?
17:49
Do you need 1 or 2?
probably 1 is enough
I would probably do 1. Since you don't want to plug in table saw, vacuum, compressor all at the same time.
 
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19:13
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Q: Proper use cases for Android UserManager.isUserAGoat()

Ovidiu LatcuI was looking at the new APIs introduced in Android4.2. While looking at the UserManager class I came across the following method : public boolean isUserAGoat () Used to determine whether the user making this call is subject to teleportations. Returns whether the user making this cal...

sweet
19:36
@Aaron I'm impressed by the history: stackoverflow.com/posts/13375357/revisions
I like the Chrome trick
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A: Proper use cases for Android UserManager.isUserAGoat()

pdknskThis appears to be an inside joke at Google. It's also featured in the Google Chrome task manager. It has no purpose, other than some engineers finding it amusing. Which is a purpose by itself, if you will. In Chrome, open the Task Manager with Shift+Esc. Right click to add the Goats Teleport...

On a side note, 631 up votes, over 100k views in 5 days, 6 answers, and SO closes it as "not constructive." I don't think I could be a mod over there.
@BMitch The larger stack sites are fun free zones.
If a question/answer even hints at fun, it must be destroyed.
Bummer. Part of software development is about easter eggs, so I don't see why questions about the easter eggs should be NC.
Not to mention, they're going to give us all hats.
19:59
@BMitch that's a head scratcher, there is no reason that a legitmate question about an API (even an easteregg one) should be closed as NC
The problem on a site as large as SO, is that whenever you start to have fun, everybody wants to join in. So you end up with a ton of answers and comments that are "look how funny I am, too" type noise.
@Tester101 very true
You can only have fun, if everybody agrees to simply laugh, and move on.
20:14
I'm going to take the contrarian view and suggest that meta tags make sense for this, create a tag so people can add it to their ignore list like some do for the questions today.
And to solve the meta issue, have a flag to set on the tags that identifies it as a meta tag and require that each question has at least one non-meta tag.
@BMitch homework is on it's way out though
@waxeagle I heard, and it makes me sad. But like I say, I'm being contrarian.
@BMitch Is there a way to break a tag synonym?
@Tester101 there's an X to the side of the synonym list, but after merging, questions have already been retagged.
Mod -> links -> tag synonyms: diy.stackexchange.com/tags/synonyms
I've modified the tag to fit the NEC definition, and planned to write a tag wiki for . But receptacle points to outlet.
20:29
what's the difference?
Outlet. A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment.
Receptacle. A receptacle is a contact device installed at the outlet for the connection of an attachment plug. A single receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact device on the same yoke. A multiple receptacle is two or more contact devices on the same yoke.
So the outlet is the J-box and the receptacle is the part that receives the plug?
outlet:
receptacle:
Now for the important question, is that how people will use the tags? :)
Should I use my last GFCI receptacle in the garage? It'll be about 3' off floor level
20:38
Seems like a good place to me, though I worry about high current devices (power tools) and nuisance trips on GFCI
@Aaron Yes.
Depending on the codes adopted in your area, it may be required.
Hmm, I have a miter saw, jigsaw, compressor
@BMitch Really outlet should be a synonym of receptacle. Since in most cases, people will actually be looking for the tag.
I totally LOL'd
@Tester101 That can be done, pretty easily in fact, all opposed to me swapping them give me a "not impressed" face now.
20:46
@BMitch I tried swapping the synonym to make the master, but it still only shows ?
@Tester101 caching, give it a few
Hey @moderators; is there any point in my leaving this up: meta.diy.stackexchange.com/questions/730/hat-suggestions
I guess it's not a terrible thing to mix and match outlet and receptacle, but it can make NEC quote interpretation confusing from time to time.
No-one else joined in the fun of defacing other people's gravatars and it sounds like we won't have custom hats anyway
@NiallC. It doesn't matter, nobody looks at Meta anyway.
20:51
I'm not creative enough to properly deface anyone's gravatar
Although Greebo could use a toilet seat hat :)
@BMitch I thought I picked the appropriate tool to apply to his head
He's evil, it's perfectly acceptable to deface him twice.
21:05
People might mistake it for a halo. Not sure if that's good or bad

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