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Chris Cudmore

19:01

Let's get this party started!

Is there anybody out there?

The Evil Greebo

19:18

i am now - something was wrong w/ chat there for a while, had to do a forced refresh

Chris Cudmore

Yay! I was feeling ...

Alright. I'll PUT. Stability issues with Pergola solved.

I added those diagonal braces, and it firmed right up.

Also did the chickenwire and the trim around the base.

Joe Stavitsky

srsly? no roof?

Chris Cudmore

That's a pergola.

We're planting climbing roses.

Joe Stavitsky

ah, so

I just get tired of them trying to get in the window at night, climbing up ppls legs, etc. =P

Chris Cudmore

19:34

You've got to beat them into submission

Joe Stavitsky

heh

The Evil Greebo

Nice pergola

needs a roof though

Chris Cudmore

Smartass.

The Evil Greebo

good solve on the stability tho

looks really nice

Chris Cudmore

Yeah, I'm rather pleased with it.

Joe Stavitsky

19:40

first roses are climbing the walls, then you are climbing the walls =P

Chris Cudmore

A couple lessons learned -- Always take into account the length of your FINISHED edges. The sides ended up being 8'2", which means I had to buy 10' boards for the perimeter rails. Also, the front was 12' 2", which means I've got an end grain showing on the front.

And cedar is bloody expensive.

Joe Stavitsky

Chris: try google sketchup or autodesk inventor. I prefer inventor, but theyre both good

Inventor in particular is built around preventing the kimd of errors you mention

dunno how much it is, we get it free in school

Chris Cudmore

I found some nice Carriage Bolts at Lowes. They're gold in colour, and have TORX heads. 1.5" to 8". Very nice for this type of work. And a nice long unthreaded portion, so they really pull the wood together.

Joe Stavitsky

Yea take a look at inventor, the cost of gas back and forth to lowes alone will make it worth your time and money

Chris Cudmore

It's not a job without at least 4-5 trips.

I did 3 years of Civil Engineering before transferring into comp sci. I never felt right drafting on software. I much preferred the freedom of the pencil.

I find myself fighting software far too often.

Joe Stavitsky

19:49

@ChrisCudmore, believe it or not I know exactly how u feel. I hate autocad. Inventor made me a believer.

Chris Cudmore

I'll have to give it a look.

Joe Stavitsky

@ChrisCudmore, only thing is it's slightly tilted more towards mechanical than structural, but not by much

Chris Cudmore

On Autocad assignments, I'd do it by hand, calculate the (x,y,z) and enter the drawing that way.

Joe Stavitsky

@ChrisCudmore, I look forward to the pleasure you will recieve from inventor, everything is units

Chris Cudmore

Sketch up is far too OO for me. I don't want a wall to be an object that is designed separately. Ideally, I'd like to draw a floor plan, and then stretch it up. Then I'll knock some holes in it.

Joe Stavitsky

19:53

O yes, u will loooove inventor

Chris Cudmore

At $995, I don't think so.

Joe Stavitsky

U can get free for a month

and there are cutrate versions online

Chris Cudmore

$100 is the max for anything personal. Unless it cleans my bathroom.

Joe Stavitsky

Hah

Not gonna say the P word

Chris Cudmore

Nah, as a developer myself, I've decided not to participate in any less-than-above-board economies.

But it's a personal moral stance. Not one I impose on others.

More to do with not being a hypocrite myself.

Joe Stavitsky

19:56

What do u code?

Chris Cudmore

C# apps for a publishing company. I'm not doing any retail apps. But I get paid for my work, and don't see why other developers shouldn't.

Joe Stavitsky

Well, there's paid and then there's "paid", but we won't go there

Chris Cudmore

be back in a bit. Duty Calls.

Joe Stavitsky

Suffice it to say that companies past a certain size strategize around a given level of piracy and leave it at that

If I find out you been shooting nazis I;'m leaving =P

Chris Cudmore

Photoshop is a classic example of piracy as marketing. Go ahead and steal it for home use. Just remember to tell your boss you need a copy for work.

Joe Stavitsky

20:20

exactly :)

Same with Inventor

They dont even ask for any PoP in the forums

They do not sell the app, they sell the tech support, so if you steal it nobody loses

Aarthi

20:42

Hey there DIY!

aw man, I missed the party! :(

Niall C.

@Aarthi Party's still going on, whatcha talking about?

Aarthi

omg niall! hugs

Niall C.

Right back atcha

How are you keeping, besides busy, run off your feet, etc.?

Aarthi

not bad! debating if i should push for an election on DIY

you 10k+ users are basically doing most of the heavy lifting anyway

ooo @Tester101 :D

Niall C.

I'd be really surprised if we needed it. I didn't think mod-worthy activity was that high

Aarthi

20:49

true.

hey if y'all are happy with the arrangements as they are, then that's cool.

Tester101

an election might provide at least two blog entries "Hey where having an election" and "here are your winners", but aside from that I think the site runs pretty smoothly as is.

Chris Cudmore

I think you meant: "We're having..."

Someone needs to spend some time: english.stackexchange.com

Well, looks like the party is over. Time to break the disco ball