Home Improvement

Karl Katzke

15:03

@Tester101 For whatever reason, the city inspector insists that there only be 8 devices outlets on a circuit.

Tester101

Tell him to show you the code reference. Inspectors are there to interpret the code, not make it up.

lsiunsuex

i always heard something like that

i always questioned how really big houses have so many lights in 1 room

community.homedepot.com/t5/Lighting-Ceiling-Fans/…

says its based on load

watts = amps X volts

80% of 15 amps is 12 amps

X watts = 12 amps X 120 volts

X watts = 1440

1400 / 32 = 45

with a 32 watt light, i could put 45 of these lights on one dedicated circuit. please check my math. my plan will have NO MORE THAN 16 lights on each circuit. i should be safely within the limits.

Tester101

It's all about volt-amperes (va), and estimates. For receptacles you have to estimate loads, since you have no idea what will be plugged in. For lighting circuits you can be more precise (if you know exactly what fixtures will be used), but you're still basically estimating.

Karl Katzke

Yeah, all the circuits in my house are mixed. The problems they have are that I'm not always going to be the owner of the house and they're trying to protect future owners.

And it doesn't matter in the end, because if he says "NOPE" he won't green-tag it and the permit won't ever get closed.

Aaron

Is this a city code he's pulling on you over above the NEC, or what's the situation?

Karl Katzke

15:15

Pretty much. My guess is that it is a city policy designed to simplify the NEC because of the type of estimation that @Tester101 and @lsiunsuex are talking about.

Even the local electricians follow it (after talking to a few), so I'm not likely to be successful in challenging it.

Tester101

Ask him if you can install a multi-bulb fixture instead of a single bulb fixture.

If it's a city code modification, he should still be able to show you the code.

Karl Katzke

There was a multi-bulb fixture there, so that's not an issue. I'm curious as well. I might just do it and then let him object to it if he wants to; it wouldn't take much to un-do it and I'm already monkeying around in there quite a bit because I'm widening a door and have to ask him how legal it is to replace the framing from the inside of the brick like I want to do.

Tester101

Receptacles are estimated at 180 va, which would mean you can have 10 receptacles on a 15A circuit.

Karl Katzke

"Well, I'm replacing a four-bulb fixture with two single bulb fixtures. What's your problem, exactly?"

Tester101

@KarlKatzke If you use CFLs, you can install a couple more fixtures too.

Karl Katzke

15:26

Two is really the max that the space will tolerate. It's a TINY, pitch-dark 80s bathroom.

I'm attempting to turn it into something that's salable 35 years after it was designed.

The original bathroom layout didn't even have room to turn around in, and a bunch of other stupid things like no separation between the vanity and the bedroom, so when your wife's putting on her makeup at 5am you get the bright lights in your face.

Tester101

16:08

@BMitch Here's a new magnetic toy for you...

Magnetic Thinking Putty

Aaron

I think I got a similar jar of that from thinkgeek once

Tester101

16:38

Really!?

Twerking

Twerking () is a type of dancing in which the dancer, usually a woman, shakes her hips in an up-and-down bouncing motion, causing the dancer's buttocks to shake, "wobble" and "jiggle". According to the Oxford Dictionary Online, to twerk is "to dance to popular music in a sexually provocative manner involving thrusting hip movements and a low, squatting stance". The word twerking is of uncertain origin. Possibilities include a contraction of "footwork", or a portmanteau of twist and jerk. Possible origins Comparisons have been made with traditional African dances, for instance the Mapouk...

Karl Katzke

I expect to see it in the Oxford dictionary in a few years, especially after the most recent viral video was revealed as a Jimmy Kimmel stunt.

Tester101

oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/…

srsly!!!

Karl Katzke

HAH

Tester101

What is wrong with us?

Karl Katzke

Many, many things, but most of them are attributable to us being the descendants of apes.

Tester101

16:46

It seems as if we may be regressing back to apes.

tl;dr

Karl Katzke

... and social scientists and the peanut gallery of social commentators has been saying that exact same thing for the past several thousand years every time we invent something 'new' that they don't like or understand.

Or, well, they've been saying it since evolution was thought of. They said less charitable things before that.

Tester101

apols to future generations, that have to wade through our crap.

Karl Katzke

Eh, it'll be forgotten just like Avocado-colored appliances and Vanilla Ice (who, by the way, is still performing) mostly were, except when someone needed something to make fun of.

Ooh. Macrame!

lsiunsuex

engadget.com/2013/09/10/apple-iphone-liveblog-2013

engadget's coverage is always the best

Karl Katzke

oh, that's right

lsiunsuex

16:59

go figure; i'm actually home to watch it and apple isnt live streaming it

Karl Katzke

hah.

Chris Cudmore

We died as a species with this:
lit·er·al·ly
/ˈlitərəlē/
Adverb

In a literal manner or sense; exactly: "the driver took it literally when asked to go straight over the traffic circle".
Used to acknowledge that something is not literally true but is used for emphasis or to express strong feeling.

Synonyms
literatim - word for word - verbatim - to the letter

The numbers got stripped out.

Second line of the definition.

Tester101

We need to go back to hand writing dictionaries. Things are less likely to get in, if somebody actually has to write it out 100,000,000 times.

Karl Katzke

OK, everyone off of @Tester101's lawn!

Tester101

What future generations will hear, when they study our time. "derp, derp, derp."

Karl Katzke

17:23

Huh. So they were right about the 5C.

lsiunsuex

good thing i spent $30 on iWork suite for iPad now that its free

Jason

17:50

So am I going blind or is this a right-hand thread screw and you need to turn the nut to the left (like normal) to loosen

Karl Katzke

That's a right hand screw that you need to loosen to the left.

Counter clockwise.

Jason

So we can all pick on @BMitch then: diy.stackexchange.com/a/31482/11274

or the Michael's edit

Aaron

so far I think I'm very happy with my 5

lsiunsuex

i dunno - biometric built in

i'm not a crazy paranoid f' but thats pretty cool

Aaron

if your phone gets stolen, wipe it and you're done

who cares?

lsiunsuex

18:02

just think its coo

Aaron

and if you forgot your phone at home and you need some info on it and your wife's fingerprint isn't on your phone, then what? At least you can tell someone the passcode

@Tester101 I had a 'real' electrician come out and he said that that interlock kit, no way he would do it

interlockkit.com

Tester101

@Aaron Good. I wouldn't do it either.

Aaron

so 5 dropped completely, interesting. I'm surprised they didn't take the opportunity to kill the 4s and make the entire lineup lightning-only

lsiunsuex

true

unless they are and just not noting it

they have changed existing products in the past and just not announced it

Tester101

Off topic. Belongs on apple.StackExchange

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Aaron

18:09

yeah yeah

lsiunsuex

comeon - theres still time left; i want a watch dammit!!!!!!!

Aaron

@lsiunsuex I did try my friend's pebble and it was pretty interesting. Not 100% sure it's reayd for prime-time yet, but definitely interesting

Jason

I've got extra pebbles if you want one

Aaron

how much?

Jason

idk like $120

Aaron

18:13

the one thing I do miss is being able to see the time in the dark without pulling out the phone

@Jason how often do you have to charge it?

Jason

I charge it every other Monday but it dies every other Saturday. I always leave the charger at work

It used to last ~5-7 days but they got alot better firmware

Aaron

so just shy of 2 weeks?

Jason

yeah

Aaron

and I presume that is after the initial 1-2 weeks of pushing buttons on it all the time?

Jason

it will last ~2 days the first couple times because snake and tetris on it is addictive

exactly

Tester101

18:15

$120 could buy a lot of pebbles.

Jason

I have phone call and txt msg alerts only, I turned off e-mail and facebook

I bought the kickstarter 5 pack and use one and gf uses one

So I have white, grey, and orange NIB

or my used black one for cheaper :-P

Karl Katzke

18:36

@Aaron I don't leave my phone at home; I bought a case that makes it also my wallet. I just carry phone and car keys. My next house will have door locks that unlock in the presence of my phone's bluetooth signal, (and a hardware key backup). And one of these days, they'll figure out pairing your phone with the car's ignition via bluetooth and you can unlock and start your car with it, and I'll stop carrying keys.

lsiunsuex

@KarlKatzke viper.com/smartstart

and the higher end cars are starting to come with it built in; mercedes, tesla, etc...

Jason

@KarlKatzke they already have all that but no car company is going to include it. Bluetooth security is weak. You can buy a RFID car/key and include that

lsiunsuex

no, the tesla's do

from starting, to charge state, to range, the app is tight with the car

Jason

not starting, unless the brand new one does

lsiunsuex

its no 20k ford obviously, but if you have the cash...

Jason

18:39

tesla is a toy company anyways :-P

Karl Katzke

Well, I can get an App from Honda if I'd purchased the remote start feature for my new RDX, but it runs through the XM radio connection I think, not a proximity signal.

lsiunsuex

teslamotors.com/en_HK/forum/forums/turning-climate-remotely

remote climate start; which is the only reason to remote start an all electric car anyways

Jason

true

I just install a computer and wifi, been doing that for a decade

lsiunsuex

the people complaining about it only staying on for 30 minutes are funny

Jason

$30 wifi scanner as my fob and you're set

lsiunsuex

18:41

30 minutes is plenty to bring a car up or down to a comfortable temp

Karl Katzke

I'm not sure that the Viper system would work with all the other integration and electronics in something as advanced as the electronics systems in newer high-end cars.

I mean, the level of integration between the four or five separate computer systems in the RDX is pretty impressive. I'm not sure gutting or bypassing any of that would work, much less would be smart.

It's not a $20k ford or a Scion FR-S or something where the parts are actually separate.

lsiunsuex

i know strait up mechanics that rebuild engines in their spare time that wont touch new cars; their just to complex without the proper equipment

like you said, bypass one of the cpu's by accident or purposely and you'll basically "brick" the car

Jason

Fuel injection timing sucks when it's worng

ignition timing is worse but your car will typically atleast run if it's a little off

Karl Katzke

Yeah, what jason said. We have three cars -- a new RDX, which my fiancee uses mostly, my old Accord, which I run errands in if I choose to leave the house (I telecommute) and the 1996 diesel F-350 that is our mobile dumpster and construction vehicle.

The F-350 and Accord are doable at home. The RDX... no Fing way.

I don't think I'll even change the oil in that, and I have access to dealer manuals.

BMitch

@Jason My reference of turn towards the right was from looking at the bolt from the side. You're still spinning it counter clockwise when looked at from the end. I can't think of a good way to write that so someone won't be confused.

@Tester101 ohh, shiny!

Re: twerking, Jimmy got me:

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Aaron

19:02

we went to a home show over the weekend and there was a lock guy there

I talked to him about z-wave locks and he said he didn't trust them because of the wireless (in)security

I was like, what's more likely, people with a rock to smash your windows, or hackers driving by with a z-wave war-driver

Karl Katzke

Since someone can easily make a hardware key with just a photograph of your house key, and normal home-grade locks are so easy to pick or bypass anyway, I think he's relying more on a perception of security than actual security.

lsiunsuex

she has nice assets; i'd like to include them in my next git push

Tester101

Haha. When you live in a box with glass covered holes, security in only as strong as the glass.

Karl Katzke

But it sort of takes someone with an IT background who understands a little bit of security thinking to really parse that argument out -- most of the sheep just nod and try to decide if Schlage or Kwikset are more secure.

Aaron

and not to mention which, locks and other 'secure' z-wave elements do have some sort of encryption involved, not that I have a background to really understand it, but it is different than just light switches etc

lsiunsuex

19:08

until we invent transparent aluminum

then someone will see glass covered holes; try to hit it with a hammer; realize its the new super amazing transparent aluminum and walk away

Karl Katzke

I think the Z-wave stuff is still brute force-able, but it probably takes more keys than you can easily transmit to it. blog.opensecurityresearch.com/2013/07/…

... and then they come back with a can opener, because -- aluminum.

lsiunsuex

or a plasma cutter; depends on what you readily have available on hand...

Karl Katzke

Angle grinder would probably be overkill.

Aaron

or open the unlocked back door

Tester101

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Karl Katzke

19:18

So reading that article, there are 4.3 billion possible HomeID keys (which just allows you into the network), and the EEPROM in the dongle that you'd have to burn for each attempt would only take a couple hundred thousand writes before it'd burn out.

Tester101

Then again, if the burglar is toting a sledge hammer, your wall is a vulnerability too.

Karl Katzke

Otherwise, you'd have to write a lot of radio software to implement the protocol, and they weren't even able to get to testing if there's any protection in the node software against brute-force attempts, such as even basic rate limiting, that'd drastically drive up the time.

So, yeah, I'm going in through the window, wall, or by knocking the door in. Bet the hinges weren't hung right.

lsiunsuex

19:30

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thats, how you break into a house

Jason

The polish something

lsiunsuex

only version i could find of it

Jason

they "renamed" it like the Polish Extracter because it was a Polish Standoff or something

lsiunsuex

is there an SE for small explosives? "what kind of explosive can be used in this barrel to launch a 4ft sq grappling hook through plywood / drywall"

Tester101

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Chris Cudmore

19:36

Generally, I'm not concerned about the guy that wants to get into MY home. There's really nothing I can do about it. What I can do things about is the opportunist, who wants to get into ANY home. I don't have to be absolutely secure for him. I just have to be less attractive a target then my neighbour.

Karl Katzke

Heh. It's probably built like a potato gun; your problem isn't controlling the explosive, it's controlling all the pressure so it goes in the right way.

Chris Cudmore

It's like running from a bear. I can't run faster than a bear. But all I have to do is run faster than you.

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lsiunsuex

19:55

ycombinator.com/apply.html

kinda think i want to apply

i have a few startup ideas... no kids so i could move there for 3 months

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soon to be outlawed at all hardware stores:

homedepot.com/p/…

perfect for cutting off the thumb of your victim when you steel their phone

Tester101

20:22

@ChrisCudmore That's only true if we both run in the same direction, and neither of us are slathered in honey.

Chris Cudmore

I have to wonder why we were in the woods slathered in honey.

Tester101

I never said it was me, that was slathered in honey.

So why you would be slathered in honey, I couldn't say.

Jason

FYI, how it got here: Bluetooth->Twerking->unbreakable glass->Small Explosives->Guy(s) slathered in Honey

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Tester101

Twerking almost always leads to being slathered in honey.

lsiunsuex

"Hi Mario,

Kanye West rapped about the need to American Express myself...
Sorry for the “corny” opening line... just wanted to get your attention without wasting your time... I'll get right to the point!"

seriously? that, just wasted my time

what exactly from my linkedin profile made you think i like rap exactly?

i would of quoted deadmau5 atleast; losts of programmers listen to EDM, not rap

Tester101

20:38

Why is corny in quotes?

lsiunsuex

those were her quotes

Tester101

I know, but why?

lsiunsuex

no idea

Tester101

Hmmm. You don't want to work there.

Tell them you'll only work for them, if they teach their HR rep. how to write professionally.

lsiunsuex

"Want to be part of contextualizing delivery transformation for a global top consumer brand that is re-branding as BigCommerce... Be part of how mobile products are built and released, in a culture of a high-tech start-up WITH budget to build it how they want?

You will be part of the small but “dangerous” mobile team. This is NOT just coding all day! You’ll be in SCRUM sessions, act as SME, design, develop, influence, and be part of the solution."

sounds like yahoo

Tester101

20:41

Oooh. "dangerous"...

lsiunsuex

maybe they call themselves ninja's also

Chris Cudmore

Translation: This isn't just coding. You'll be in MEETINGS! Lots of glorious meetings where we can interface and achieve synergies to maximize our core competencies while improving the bottom line of our profit centers.

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Tester101

"This is NOT just coding all day!", 'you also have to sit through boring meetings.'.

lsiunsuex

ran a search on youtube for 007 pinky scene and this came up

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its like... um...

softcore porn for india nationals ?

Tester101

@lsiunsuex Is that safe for work?

lsiunsuex

20:47

yes

i dont think they even show their legs

shes kinda cute (the recruiter) - linkedin.com/profile/…*420_*1

in north carolina, contacting someone in buffalo ny about a job in manhattan - you do know manhattan is a 7 hour drive / 1 hour plane ride, right ? its not exactly downtown from me

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