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I just flagged an answer as both Not-an-answer and Spam. Didn't know I could do that!
 
 
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@NiallC. That's an odd question for the spammers to go after, only 100 or so views.
 
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Q: How can I mend my metal tables broken arm?

Iain DavidsonHi I have a Metal table with two Arms that protrude outwards and Up of which you can place a cup and small plate on or Similar (Great for keeping the main table clear) but one of the Kids fell and broke Part of the arm, now Super Glue is not Stromg enough and Im trying to find an extreamly hard B...

$50 says the table is used to hold the Enterprise "D" model from Star Trek and not a plate :)
 
you know you had one.
 
Actually, I was a lego kid and my inner geek had to wait until I grew up. Since you probably don't have the rep to see it, I had actually closed a nearly identical question where the fact that it was an Enterprise "D" was in bold, stressing the fact that it was a hobby project.
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Q: Glue for Heavy Models

Iain DavidsonHi I own a Star Trek Collection and heaps are the Various Ships made out of various Metals , One is extremely old Grey model of the Enterprise "D" Next Generation and is Made out of a heavy Metal and the Base is a Different type of Metal (One of The pins that protrude from the Stand and that usua...

 
i have rep to see closed questions
 
I get a reality dose all the time when the SO mods are talking about questions that I can't see since I don't have a lot of rep over there
 
ahh
some stuff i just cant grasp :( why even if i create a proper rss feed with php, do i still need to use something like feedburner to turn it into an actual rss feed? or am i just missing something
 
1:24 PM
Maybe you're missing a header
 
Maybe you should ask on StackOverflow
By the way... When do we get HATS!!!
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Q: Would you like a hat for the holidays?

BMitchStack Exchange is looking to have some fun for the holidays by giving people hats for various tasks around the site. These, unfortunately, aren't real hats, more like holiday badges that you can see on your gravatar. They hosted a holiday hat bash on the Gaming site last year, and have asked if o...

 
@Tester101 "This event will run from 19 December 2012 to 4 January 2013"
 
i want a hat
 
1:40 PM
 
shweet
 
1:57 PM
Here is my guess at the current wiring, is this correct? — Tester101 42 mins ago
@Tester101 If it is a three way switch then this makes the most sense
@Tester101 Is that a common wiring for three way switch to luminaire in the middle? My house doesn't have anything quite like that
it makes sense though
 
@maple_shaft I was confused by the pre-formatted wire color descriptions, and just wanted to make sure.
@maple_shaft This answer shows the various configurations.
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A: How do I convert a light circuit with a single pole switch to use two 3-way switches?

BMitchSince the red wire is already being used for the outlets, you'll need to run a pair of 3 wire cables from the existing switch box to the location in the garage where you want these light switches. This is what you'll likely have to do: Here are some other options: Image Source

I don't necessary agree with the wire colors, but it shows the basic idea.
 
@Tester101 Its better than what the last guy who owned my house did. He tried to wire a three way switch to a two-way. He screwed one of the travelers to the ground screw. The electrician working on the three way downstairs flipped the switch when his hand was touching the metal box and he got zapped something fierce
 
So every time you flip the switch, you trip the breaker?
 
@Tester101 The breaker didn't trip for whatever reason
 
Then you had 2 problems.
 
2:08 PM
he figured it out pretty quick and fixed it
he never replaced the breaker though
hmmm
 
I wonder if they wired the switch to the neutral? That would be 2 problems.
 
If the traveler was connected to ground, every time the traveler was energized it would create a dead short to ground.
Unless the switch was not properly grounded.
 
Oh, no, the switch probably wasn't grounded
that would explain it
still 2 problems :)
 
@BMitch Thats what happened
He ran a small bare copper from the new three way upstairs to the metal box
it was then properly grounded because the box was grounded to conduit behind the walls
 
I'm guessing the conduit wasn't a great ground if the breaker didn't trip, you probably had a fire hazard in there, now you've got 3 problems :)
 
2:14 PM
It was kind of funny because he got all pissed off and fidgety after that. I think he felt stupid after that like it was a literal ego shock
@BMitch Closed on it last week... not moving out until late december
 
In my experience, electricians don't like to get electrocuted.
 
as long as the house doesnt burn down before January then it is not my problem
 
That would have been my solution too, "run away!"
 
Sounds like there was no ground connected to the switch ground terminal (since the traveler was connected), and the switch's yoke was not in contact with the grounded metal box (which happens with recessed boxes).
 
@Tester101 spot on
 
2:19 PM
So when the switch was flipped, it just energized the switch.
 
yup
And gave the electrician a nasty surprise at 8am before he had his coffee
I am glad I didn't try to fix it myself... the buyers asked me to hire a professional
 
2:32 PM
@Tester101 @BMitch I am going to have to install two ceiling fans in the new house as soon as they give me the keys and the painters have finished. Usually you can just wire those as if they were any regular luminaire correct?
 
Do the fans have light kits?
 
@maple_shaft The junction box itself needs to be designed for the weight
 
@BMitch as long as the builder didn't screw it up, then it should be fastened to the attic joist
@Tester101 Yes it has a light and a remote, implying some kind of electronics are inside too
Not sure if has an option to wire the light and fans seperately but if it does then I don't really want that
I want to flip the switch and have it either be on or off completely
 
There are two common ways to wire ceiling fans (with light kits).
1.) Tie the fan hot and light hot together with the switched hot. This means the switch turns both the light and fan on/off.
2.) Connect light hot to the switch. Connect fan hot to a different switch, or unswitched hot wire. This allows the fan and light to work independently.
 
@Tester101 Option 1 is for me
ty
 
2:37 PM
This is a typical junction box for a light fixture in the ceiling:
 
I usually do the second, so the light is controlled by the wall switch, while the fan is controlled by the pull chain on the unit.
 
They add an extra bracket for a cross piece to handle the load of a ceiling fan:
 
This lets me turn off the light at the wall, while the fan continues to run throughout the night (good for warm summer nights).
 
@Tester101 It doesn't have a pull chain, just a remote which honestly is more convenient than wiring it to seperate switches
but
 
2:40 PM
Those remotes go bad over time then your fan is useless
 
(Sorry about Home Depot's fuzzy pics)
 
@BMitch you inspired me to ask a question
 
They make braces that will fit up through a standard ceiling box hole, and then expand and stab into the joists. But you'll have to remove the old box to use them.
Then you simply mount the ceiling box to the brace.
 
Someone talk me out of buying a new tool, I've spent too much on myself already:
(Today's deal from Amazon)
 
Ask santa!
 
2:43 PM
all 3 pieces for $100 ? hmm
 
I already picked up the 22 disk set of James Bond so my holidays will be filled with sex and violence :)
 
@BMitch Don't be greedy, it's the season for giving. Order one for ME!
 
lol
 
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Q: How to tell if a ceiling junction box is braced to hold the weight of a ceiling fan?

maple_shaftMy new home is almost done being built, and one of the extras I asked for was for two of the rooms to have junction boxes in the ceiling suitable for hanging a ceiling fan in the future. The light fixtures haven't been installed yet so I can see inside the junction boxes but can't really disting...

 
Hang from it. If it falls, replace it.
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2:49 PM
 
i thought i read somewhere that by the time the fan blades actually hit you in the head, they've slowed down enough to not cause permanent damage
 
@Tester101 In all seriousness, falling ceiling fans can be a dangerous hazard, and can cause exposed electric wiring. I would wager it is probably more common than injuries from appliance casing ground faults.
so I would be surprised if nothing exists in the NEC regarding this
 
i have actually climbed a ladder to change a light bulb in a ceiling fan and got hit in the head with the blades. although it wasn't pleasant, it didn't hurt too much
 
perhaps requiring new braced junction boxes to have some easily distinguishable feature that allows them to be told apart
@lsiunsuex They are pretty heavy, and many fans sit right above peoples beds. Would you want something that heavy falling on your head while you were asleep?
 
no - but then again, i removed all fans because of this fear
 
3:03 PM
@maple_shaft I doubt there is anything in NEC specifically about hanging ceiling fans.
314.23 Supports. Enclosures within the scope of this article shall be supported in accordance with one or more of the provisions in 314.23(A) through (H).
Nothing about ceiling fans.
 
@lsiunsuex Sleeping in the summertime without a fan, even with air conditioning is not an option for me
I simply cannot sleep unless it is cold or there is a slight breeze
 
always gives me an earache. that and it doesn't fit my decor
 
314.27(A) Boxes at Luminaire Outlets. Boxes used at luminaire or lampholder outlets in a ceiling shall be designed for the purpose and shall be required to support a luminaire weighing a minimum of 23 kg (50 lb).
(B) Maximum Luminaire Weight. Outlet boxes or fittings designed for the support of luminaires and installed as required by 314.23 shall be permitted to support a luminaire weighing 23 kg (50 lb) or less. A luminaire that weighs more than 23 kg (50 lb) shall be supported independently of the outlet box unless the outlet box is listed and marked for the maximum weight to be supported.
 
although, after reading some heating / cooling stuff, i think i may install a fan in the staircase to help with air flow in the summer / winter
 
@lsiunsuex I ended up taking mine out and installing a nice light fixture, all it did was blow air around in the stairway
 
3:12 PM
(D) Boxes at Ceiling-Suspended (Paddle) Fan Outlets. Outlet boxes or outlet box systems used as the sole support of a ceiling-suspended (paddle) fan shall be listed, shall be marked by their manufacturer as suitable for this purpose, and shall not support ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans that weigh more than 32 kg (70 lb).
For outlet boxes or outlet box systems designed to support ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans that weigh more than 16 kg (35 lb), the required marking shall include the maximum weight to be supported.
Wow. Didn't expect to find anything.
 
Instead I use removable filters in the returns and dampers to redirect heating and cooling to the floor that needs it (heat the basement, cool the upstairs)
 
hmm
we clearly still have an insulation problem, even with the new furnace
we've noticed the spare room we're working on right now is the warmest (which is directly over the kitchen which was completely remodeled) and the other 2 bedrooms are over the dining room and living room, which have never been fully gutted
as the house is ballon style, i think cold air or hot air is coming up through the walls from the first floor that isn't insulated so well
 
@Tester101 Wow! Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for. That means it should be written on the box somewhere with the maximum allowable weight
 
@lsiunsuex Cold air doesn't go up.
 
3:29 PM
right, but i think because the walls on the first floor aren't as well insulated as they are upstairs, air leaks in
all the walls that we've opened have this rigid white foam in them that clearly was blown in, has hardened, cracked and now there are mammoth air gaps in the walls
on the inside of the exterior walls, there are holes, about 3 inches? that were drilled and filled to blow it in - we've seen them in almost every cavity
 
@lsiunsuex Foam insulation doesn't .... crack
 
wish i had a photo of it - yes, it does - whatever this stuff is / was cracked anyways
 
wait..
blown insulation should be that cellulose fiber stuff, not expanding foam
 
let me check facebook, i might have a photo
 
expanding foam needs to applied from the inside before drywall goes up
if it is not done evenly between the studs then you will not get a good result
 
3:34 PM
 
there is no insulation in this photo
 
the white stuff inside that wall - all rooms are / were like that - its rigid (takes some effort to break it with your hands) and everywhere we have seen it, its compacted itself - doesn't fill the entire cavity
the white stuff inbetween the lath
 
i think thats plaster
 
dude
i have gutted almost the entire house with my bare hands - thats not plaster
 
oh
i see it now
I was looking at the side wall
 
3:37 PM
sorry :)
 
Resolution is not that awesome, but from what I can see it doesn't look cracked or improper
@lsiunsuex That side wall... is that a 2x4 studded wall next to a 2x6 studded wall?
 
no, its all 2x4
 
@lsiunsuex Well 2x4 exterior walls you are never going to have awesome heat efficiency
 
on the right hand side - see where the broom handle is touching the white? look in between the lath above it - no white
i've never seen walls framed with 2x6's - have only ever seen 2x4
 
@lsiunsuex I see... those cracks might have happened when you removed the lath. That would be my guess. Cracking suggests that it is expanding and contracting rapidly with heat, which is exactly the opposite of what insulation is intended to do
 
3:47 PM
ok, let me give another example
on the first floor in the dining room, the room had a beed board with a chair railing - when we went to refinish the hard wood floors, we decided to remove the beed and chair rail - when we did this, we ended up destroying the plaster and lath - so in the dining room, we cut with a circular saw, all around the room, 4 feet from the floor and used drywall there instead of trying to repair the plaster
because we were finishing the floors and i was out of money cause i had just done the kitchen, we opted not to gut the entire room
when we removed this plaster and lath and the foam insulation from the cavity (mind you, only 4 feet from the bottom) the foam that was in the top of the wall slid down on us
so, over time, this insulation, whatever it is, contracted, doesn't fill the cavity anymore and the walls are not air tight
 
@lsiunsuex wow...
 
so i think because the insulation of the walls on the first floor in the dining room is rather shitty, its making the 2nd floor room above the dining room cold because of heat / cold transfer
 
it could also be that who ever sprayed the insulation didn't spray enough in the holes to fill the entire wall. This is why blown cellulose fiber is better for blowing into wall from the outside
that sucks
 
i guess a different question i have / should ask someone - using a laser thermometer - aimed at a properly insulated exterior wall - what should the temperature be? cause when the house is heated to 68, my laser reads low 50's in the dining room - haven't taken a temp of the room we just did
which all steams back to a question i had a week ago - how much money do i sink into this house until i say f' it and move on haha :(
 
@lsiunsuex 68
 
3:55 PM
the floors are equally cold and we have a basement - i get low 50's on the floors also
(all hardwood except the kitchen which is porcelain )
i'll spend money on fixing the insulation / making it warmer - i just need to figure out how to fix it
i'm considering the radient heating stuff you put in between the floor joists as all my floors are already finished for the first floor as i can access the underside from the basement but is that the answer? keep feeding the house more heat? i'll still loose it if its not insulated
 
Do it in the walls too!
 
@Tester101 never seen it in the walls - cool
 
By the way. I think you mean infrared thermometer, not laser thermometer. The laser is just for aiming.
 
yes miss spoke
 
WARNING: Do not try to measure the temperature of your retina.
 
4:03 PM
the under floor radient electronics is no joke - home depot had a mat 16 inches by 7 feet or so around $200 - x 10 or so floor joists thats quite expensive just for 1 room
 
@lsiunsuex The mats are usually meant for localized heating; Right outside the tub/shower for example, not entire floors.
 
LASERS!!!
completely legal too
 
seen those - want one, badly :)
would make starting fires in the pizza oven super easy !
 
you would go blind instantly, then your eye would burst into flames
 
You wouldn't want to see your electric bill if you put the mats between every joist.
 
4:06 PM
i need a energy assessment
 
4:22 PM
@lsiunsuex You just need to ask Santa for an infrared camera. If you buy this one from FLIR, they give you a free iPad! It's only ~$10,000
You could easily recoup the cost by renting out your thermal imaging services.
 
but that model doesn't wifi the images to your free iPad.
 
thats just bloat
 
Bloat!? Even my septic system has WiFi. If it doesn't WiFi, it's crap.
 
4:43 PM
ba-da-bing
 
wonder if home depot rents them
 
 
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Sounds like a very ambitious squatter.
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Q: How can I winterize an old solid concrete factory with a cargo elevator?

chrisLooking to find the best methods using economical (low budget) materials. Note: "Green-friendly" is a plus. Also, I'm interested in hearing & learning about materials & methods that promote longevity. 1) I'm living in a 3rd floor raw factory space. 3000 square feet & drafty. Concr...

 
i dream of buying an old factory or commercial building and making it a home
always see those crazy people who buy decommissioned water plants or missel silos and make these awesome homes
 
Trying to be featured on There I Fixed It
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Q: Can I use flexible tube to replace a segment of copper pipe?

JavaManI am installing 1/2" copper pipes for my own new gas heater. The pipes need to pass around corners that are full of obstacles. I am not a professional plumber but know that I normally would need to use various kinds of compression fittings to connect pipes in order to go around the obstacles. ...

@lsiunsuex Why buy it? Just move in.
 
people that steel goto hell
 
@lsiunsuex Stop using goto, don't you know that's bad?
 
i used continue once in php - worked out well - whats wrong with goto ?
although i'd wonder how that would work if you had multiple includes - would it be goto line # in the main file or would it take into account includes? and what about javascript? do those line numbers get accounted for in the goto? what about echoing strings with <br>'s in them? i'm so confused (again)
/me needs a vacation
 
8:36 PM
Time to goto home;
 

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