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12:00 AM
also um sorry if the question is kinda dumb
@Gwideon It's the weekend, things are slow here. And people may not respond if they don't have something useful to add, preferring to wait for more knowledgeable users. So not getting an immediate response is not any indication of censure.
no I know that I'm just worrying about stuff
like usual
You're worried about the influence of Narnia on the fantasy genre? Is this for a research paper?
Wikipedia has a section about the influences of Narnia on other works but, being Wikipedia, it's quite literal and unimaginative.
oh no
different question
but also the narnia question is just something I'm curious about
mostly because it is the second biggest influence on DnD
12:13 AM
I think it's difficult to talk about influences as trees branching out from a single source; a lot of things influenced by Narnia are also going to be influenced, directly or indirectly, but those things which influenced Narnia.
that is true\
I'm curious about your support for the claim that Narnia is a major influence on D&D.
I'm not sure I've ever seen it in any lists or breakdowns or either original or modern influences.
look at non theros centaur's. they are pretty clearly influenced by narnia's version of centaurs.
sorry just my thoughts
I'm curious, because I don't really see it. In what way? What's shared between Narnian centaurs and D&D centaurs which aren't shared by Narnia's source material for centaurs?
I clearly haven't thought about this as much as you have, so I want to learn!
(Not that I think D&D particularly drew on Chiron directly, rather that I think Chiron is the template for most modern depictions of centaurs and D&D is generalizing from many sources including Narnia which share that root.)
well narnia obviously draws on chiron for it's centaurs not general centaurs. In greek mythology most centaurs are very similar to the popular conception of satyr's, being loud and loving to party. narnia is one of the first works that I can remember that took the concept of chiron stretched it across the entire race.
I'm probably wrong to be honest but yeah
12:37 AM
It's an interesting line of thought; certainly Narnia is one of the better-known 20th century IPs to feature centaurs; though, there are none in the most popular book of the series, so the broadness of their exposure to the public probably pales in comparison to, say, the Pastoral Symphony scenes in Disney's Fantasia?
But a modern centaur connection, even an undeniable one, seems insufficient to support a claim that Lewis is a stronger influence than, say, Poul Anderson or Hammer Films, or Edgar Rice Burroughs?
Authors like Burroughs and Howard inspired franchise-defining class options, while Jack Vance's novels are the reason people call D&D-style magic "Vancian."
yeah that makes sense
I'm still kinda reading into the topic but yeah.
anyways I gotta go for my game tonight
I'd be shocked if Narnia had no impact on the D&D franchise, but I'm skeptical about the extent of our ability to draw direct lines of influence.
so has anyone here tried running or playing cyberpunk red
um besides me
12:58 AM
(One last thought: the clearest connection I can think of between Narnia and D&D is their shared depiction of a pseudo-pantheon composed of jealous monotheisms that are sorted into Cartoonishly Evil and Declared Good sides (and a dose of xenophobia to drive the point home).)
(But I don't think I can attribute it solely to Lewis, as it's not an obscure lens.)
1:44 AM
yeah I feel like they have some similarities that weren't necessarily inspired by Narnia as,... just happened to be present in both?
but there might be some that were whether directly or indirectly
Yeah, I think Lewis was a few centuries late to the party to invent that particular way of looking at the world, but he probably helped popularize an allegory that made it more acceptable to talk about in the modern era.
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