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Ben
12:08 AM
In which book might I find that?
 
I cast Commune with Google and augured that the warforged info is in "Eberron: Rising from the Last War"
 
Ben
Ok... So I need to pick a subrace as part of Character creation?
 
GcL
I don't think warforged have subraces in Rising.
I recall variants from some of the previous books, but essentially, they build much like a dwarf.
 
Ben
I found them in Wayfinder's
 
12:17 AM
Which version thereof?
 
GcL
I forgot about that one. I never came out in hardcover did it?
 
I think Wayfinder's had a playtest version of them, which has since been updated to match Last War
Jun 3 '20 at 15:00, by NautArch
Any stackizen interested in full access to dndbeyond materials is welcome to join this campaign.
(^^^ still has slots left I think)
 
Ben
@Adeptus Ok cool
 
GcL
Okay, they replaced some of the warforged subraces with racial feats.
Neither option look particularly useful for a cleric. What kind of cleric? Forge cleric. Oh, you don't start with a feat though.
That heave armor specialist really pays dividends L1-6
It's the only DR in 5e, and forge clerics get heavy armor proficiency, no?
 
Ben
@GcL Heavy and Smith's tools, yeah
 
GcL
12:24 AM
And auto-magic a weapon or armor. Well, if you wanted to go front liner, there is a juggernuat plating feat for warforged from Exploring Eberron. It's a bit of a waste on a cleric, but it's thematically nice.
 
Ben
@GcL I think I'll keep it simple.
 
GcL
When integrating heavy armor, advantage on STR saving throws or versus being knocked prone.
 
Ben
Also "Specialized design" gives one skill and one tool proficiency
 
GcL
Probably max out WIS with first two ASI is the mechanically better bet.
Making con saves vs DC10 are pretty easy, so warcaster isn't likely to help a warforged much.
 
Ben
ok so starting stats are 18 / 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 / 10
 
GcL
12:28 AM
You went strength cleric?
I like the panache
 
Ben
Well, I want a battleaxe, or maybe a warhammer. Probably the hammer
So yeah, probably str
 
GcL
Definitely the war hammer.
Skin it as an oversized forge hammer.... maybe gifted, won, or bought from a fire giant or something.
 
Ben
Nice
 
GcL
You should probably swap STR and WIS though. 16 STR is still formidable. 18 WIS befits a cleric, and 14 DEX... because unless you're wearing medium armor, who cares?
 
Ben
So Str and wisdom. I get +2 to con, so I can go with maybe the 14 for con., bump it up to 16. Give myself the 16 str and 18 wis
@GcL True. Dex helps with the initiative
definitely only 10 Cha though. Lol
 
GcL
12:34 AM
The juggernaut plating feat allows you to use your con bonus to your AC instead of your dex for medium armor. So if you're not going heavy armor, that's something to think about.
Eh.... init just sorts out the first round. After then it's not that big of a deal. Also, spirit guardians is pretty nasty as a trap. A cleric in a group of mine freakin' holds that as an action until at least one enemy is up close.
They went tempest cleric, so despite having a 21 AC, usually tries to get hit so they can do their electric rebuke.
and channel divinity for max damage. It's up to 30 or something nuts like that.
 
Ben
Daaang
 
so str 16, dex 12, con 14+2, int 10, wis 18, cha 10... with a +1 still to assign
 
Ben
Was thinking I could whack that onto Str?
 
cool
 
Ben
@GcL Just gonna get the DM's go ahead for which one to use - Wayfinder or Eberron
 
GcL
12:38 AM
Looking at the other warforged feat, "Your proficiency bonus is doubled when you make ability
checks using this integrated tool." would make a hell of a safe cracker with theives tools and that double proficiency that rogue specialization gets.
@Ben If you're allowed Exploring Eberron as your +1 source, you'd be doing it just for that juggernaut plating feat. It's not that great really.
 
Ben
Ah fair
 
GcL
It reads like a feat to turn a warforged fighter/barbarian into some very bad tanky news for a combat.
 
Ben
Well, as far as the skillsets go, I think I wanna go with potentially medicine (at least for the knowledge) cos he wants to "integrate"/"upgrade" himself with Fleshwalker bits
 
GcL
rage + plate + shield on a Fighter 4/Barbarian 2 with high con and str would not be a thing to be ignored... on account of it ignoring a lot of incoming damge.
@Ben I like that. Have you seen the movie Millennium Man?
 
Ben
@GcL Robin Williams?
Yeah
 
GcL
12:42 AM
Are you going that direction?
 
@Ben if you have an updated version of wayfinder's, it's the same... the old version is no longer official
 
Ben
@GcL Sort of. Halfway. He sees the benefit of the machinery, he's just fascinated by the "self recovery" of the Humans
@Adeptus Ahh ok
 
GcL
Use the Rising rules. They're better thought out. The exploring book is a lovely compilation of the lore and feel of Eberron, but not much mechanically useful for a non Eberron campain.
 
Ben
Done and done
 
GcL
@Ben Cool... could also go the route of convergent evolution. Instead of trying to do healing their way, find a mechanical way that approximates it.
Maybe discover the drawback of healing is susceptibility to aging or disease or something.
 
Ben
12:44 AM
Biomechanics
 
GcL
Although in 5e, warforged heal the same as other creatures.
 
Ben
In the most literal form XD
 
GcL
It was 3rd ed where they had an entirely separate class of spells and mechanics for hp recovery.
I think it would be cool to skin it as a separate set. Like, the medicine kit has separate stuff for warforged and constructs.
 
Ben
2d6
 
 
GcL
12:51 AM
Okay. VPN'ing over to England to watch some Channel 4
Chat with you all later.
 
Ben
Ciao for now
So apparently the DM might make their own Clockwork Warforged lol
 
@GcL have you found a VPN that works with BBC iPlayer? I've got one that works for Canada & USA, but BBC blocks the UK server because it IDs it as a VPN somehow
 
5
Q: Do you have to see the person, the armor or the metal when casting heat metal?

RafaIf someone covers his metal armor with cloth. Can it be the target of heat metal? Does the interpretation undermine a positive development of the combat?

 
1:22 AM
certifiedrandom.net/treasure - Treasure tables update: step-by-step rolling now adds items to your stash
 
Just finished a game, and at the end the monk got super drunk on tropical wine and got into a fight and I was trying to figure out a cool drunken master themed feature I could give them
any suggestions?
 
Ben
Have you looked at the Drunken Master class?
 
Subclass? Yep
 
Ben
Is that what you're picking from?
 
I was thinking of modifying one of those, or maybe just making something up
one of my ideas was “when you use flurry of blows, you may make 3 attacks, but the last two have disadvantage”
 
1:30 AM
What is the monk's current subclass and level?
 
5, way of four elements
 
I'd suggest the "ki-empowered strike" from Tasha's cauldron. Get a bonus action unarmed attack if they spent ki as part of their action. Definitely helps the four winds monk.
 
Ben
Ok so I've done a little look into spells, I have [Cantrips] Sacred Flame Spare the Dying and Light {1st level] Identify, Searing Smite, Healing Word, Bane and Command
 
2:06 AM
@Ben what is this?
 
Ben
Making a 5e Warforged Forge Cleric
Sorry, that would've been a little confusing lol
 
2:43 AM
8
Q: Is it ok to lie to players rolling an insight?

MaxxerI've just started DMing(D&D-5e). I have a question about the Insight mechanic. I've formulated this problem using D&D but the system is otherwise irrelevant(I'm talking about every equivalent mechanics), I'm just asking about idea. I'll gladly read D&D-only answers :) How does insight work? Is it...

 
GcL
@Adeptus I've got a few. The one I use for the media PC is Nord VPN. They've got a nice linux CLI that is amenable to scripting.
If you have to enter an address, I suggest using the Channel 4 HQ, because it also has 600 or so flats at the address.
 
Ben
So now I need to come up with a backstory.
Why is a warforged, maintainer of the secretest secret in the entire city, out and about and looking to become a realboi
I've stated that he has found and created a "bond" with a skull he's found, perhaps one of the Ordos' Warforged original creators.
 
 
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4:00 AM
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Q: Should a Bugbear PC take damage when holding an enemy on the other side of a Wall of Fire with Grapple?

AxorenBugbears have long arms, allowing them to grapple enemies 10 ft. away. The Bugbear's square is not in the effect range of the Wall of Fire. However, about 5 ft. worth of one of the Bugbear's hands is supposedly in a square that is. Mechanically, should the Bugbear take damage? If so, simulational...

 
GcL
@Ben Like Bob from Dresden files?
Alternatively, you could ask one of the other players for their backstory and see if they have a tie in for you.
 
Ben
@GcL Haven't seen it lol
 
GcL
Kind of a cheat to ask another player to do the legwork, but can be gratifying to build onto their lore
Series of books.
 
Ben
Potentially, but of all of us I think I'm actually ahead of everyone. Our game isn't until next week
 
GcL
Session 0 isn't until next week?
Hmmm... write up a couple sketches for a two player backstory. Always better when players tie together.
It can be as simple as this is the human that lets you study their anatomy.
And they have an endeavor to fulful, so: "as the gear turns, we all move the machinery forward" and you are invested in furthering their quest.
Also, catch phrases are good if you can come up with a bunch. Test em out and only keep the ones that entertain the other players.
 
Ben
4:14 AM
Sounds good :D
 
GcL
How many players?
What's the time zone spread? Your in sanity land, so in person or remote?
 
Ben
It's remote, but all in the same time zone
 
GcL
Any inkling of what the other players are thinking?
Alternatively, you could just align the backstory directly with whatever the DM main story is.
 
Ben
No clue at this point lol
 
GcL
That's a cheat, but not a bad one. Basically, ask the DM for a once sentence backstory that fits with the main story for you to expound upon.
Y'all need an email thread.
 
Ben
4:28 AM
Yeah we've got a chat going atm, and I think we're gonna be on twitch when we get up and running.
I'm just super keen lol
 
@GcL also a TV series (sadly only got one season)
 
GcL
@Adeptus I wasn't sad about it. It was a very poor adaptation in my opinion. While the concept of a hockey stick as a staff was briefly entertaining, that was the pinnacle of the writers capabilities.
@Ben challenge the other players into seeing if you all can come up with one cohesive backstory. Offer a fill in the blank or ad libs kind of session where you start a sentence and let another player finish it... the non-involved vote yay or nay and you run with the result.
A warforged examining a human indebted to a half-elf following a dwarf on a dare to save the world.
 
 
6 hours later…
10:11 AM
My most favorite DnD backstory so far is "my character is a retired halfling smuggler who local folklore says invented pockets. And I'm her (points at another player) character's son-in-law"
 
11:11 AM
> “I don’t want to be human.”
Dr. Mensah said, “That’s not an attitude a lot of humans are going to understand. We tend to think that because a bot or a construct looks human, its ultimate goal would be to become human.”
“That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.”
- Martha Wells, "Exit Strategy" (Murderbot Diaries #4)
 
 
2 hours later…
12:55 PM
@BESW Thats cool
I like that new perspective
 
@AncientSwordRage It makes me think about all different kinds of normativity.
 
Since there's now an officially licensed D&D character who uses a wheelchair, a good topical example would be the term "wheelchair bound," which assumes that a disabled person must feel trapped by their use of a chair because it's not how "normal" people get around--when in reality the wheelchair tends to be a tool of freedom.
But I'm tired enough to write poetry, so I definitely need to log off. ttfn
 
@BESW true, even when you realise that bound is an autoantonym
You can be bound for the wheelchair but not bound by it
 
1:13 PM
My DM has covid :-(
So sad
 
@RyanKinal I hope they're ok
be aware we've been putting some/all covid messages in a separate chat rooms

  Coronavirus Chat Zone

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Fair enough
I wasn't going to go much further with that, other than to say we're probably skipping this week's game lol
 
@RyanKinal I think there's no need to move any comments :)
 
I was thinking I might see about running a one-shot, but I don't want to step on any toes. It would have to be something completely different, I think... different genre
Maybe do something cyberpunky
Or sci-fi, space, that kind of stuff
 
2:02 PM
,@RyanKinal any of those seem cool
 
I also had an idea for a Gatsby-inspired Monster of the Week
He's a vampire or some crap
 
That's definitely a mood
Especially as I just found this setting:reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/kwq58r/…
 
Oooh, that seems awesome
 
I dunno, I think a one-shot session of Paranoia is always a fun time
 
I don't think I've ever played Paranoia, though I have plenty of friends who have
 
2:11 PM
@RyanKinal it's awesome
 
It's goofy as heck too
 
I've heard!
Did anybody here play Gamma World? I ran a one-shot of it a while back, and it was a lot of fun
Also pretty goofy, the way we played it
 
Alternatively, depending on how good your improv is, you could run Roll for Shoes or Honey Heist, which both seem to be rather one-shotable
Never heard of Gamma World
 
Oooh, yeah
I watched the Critical Role crew play Honey Heist. That was entertaining
 
2:26 PM
@Axoren That's an interesting scenario: I'd be tempted to do the half damage thing, and save for a quarter.
 
3:00 PM
@RyanKinal I got about 3 minutes in and had to nope out as, for some reason, I can't watch other people roleplaying
 
Haha fair
It's kind of an odd experience
 
3:11 PM
@AncientSwordRage yeah, CR is for me 'entertainers being entertained' (aren't they all professional actors?) and I really can't get into their game. (Though I love that their show has gotten more people into RPGs). I watched Matt Colville's group's first session and it was hard for me to get into it.
 
Is this question a repost of this question theyre worded differently but I think its the same question.
I initially hammered it, but Im not so sure its the same or different. @KorvinStarmast I affirm what ever you think here, if you want to check it out.
 
@KorvinStarmast that seems apt
 
@ThomasMarkov hmm, are they dupes? And 'which to keep' - gimme a sec to brain on this I need to look at them side by side, and the phone call I need to make is pending. Be back in a few. I suspect that your gut on this is right.
 
If theyre dupes we close the dupe because getting around closure by reposting is a no no
 
@ThomasMarkov yep[
 
3:22 PM
I think theyre definitely dupes now.
I already used my hammer and unhammer though, wanna close it @KorvinStarmast?
 
@ThomasMarkov yeah, which one is the close target? Your first linked one?
 
Yeah, the target is the one that is already closed
 
CR is entertaining at best, and I'm glad that it brings folks to the hobby, but the fact that they don't demonstrate out-of-character communication during the shows tends to give off a skewed understanding of a functional D&D game, and fuels the nonsense ideas that the GM is responsible for everything, or that everyone is limited to in-character dialogue
 
@ThomasMarkov OK I dupe hammered it.
@MikeQ + Eleventy-Three for the OOC communication point.
@ThomasMarkov For the target, are we content that there has been enough clarification? I need to go and look again at the edit trail.
 
3:34 PM
@MikeQ this this this
 
My answer still seems to apply.
I think
 
There is a player in a saturday night game (my bard just got to level 5, that's where you all helped me with spell selection (special shout out to @ThomasMarkov for reminding me about slow)) who frequently posts CR gifs into our discord chat during game. and during our OOC prep time. He really likes CR. I don't rain on his parade. 😎
 
thats cool
thank you for closing that other parenthesis
I was halfway through writing a message about it :D
 
@KorvinStarmast Critical Role?
 
@AncientSwordRage hehehe, hanging parens is gonna be the death of me yet!
@ThomasMarkov yeah.
 
3:38 PM
Im actually just about to post an answer from Critical Role on the identify question you answered.
Since it's Wildemount canon and Wildemount is an official campaign setting.
 
@ThomasMarkov Looking forward to it;
 
It's not as descriptive as I hoped, Liam O'Brien is usually more descriptive with his material components than he was with this one, but it's something.
 
And it's got lots of nice cheese; full disclosure. I used the NPC Blood Hunter (CR 5) in my game (next session tonight) as a bad guy hunting down and trying to kill the party (they have an artifact and they have no idea what it is, just think it's a amulet that gives a modest bonus) and it worked out really well. They are due another 'artifact based encounter' within the next 10 game days.
@NautArch helped me with the design of the artifact. My brother gave it approval (his world, we co DM)
 
@KorvinStarmast Yeah--they were fun... IIRC. It's been a long time =\
 
@nitsua60 wait are they reusing some mysteries?
 
3:49 PM
@nitsua60 Hoping that some time we can game together again, how is the winter treating you all? We have a cold snap here, got down to 37.
 
@AncientSwordRage I was involved in playtesting that book.
 
@nitsua60 :o
 
@KorvinStarmast It's a warm day up here--might get up to 37!
 
I played BG 1&2 a lot as a kid, so I was tempted to pick them up as a nostalgia thing
 
@nitsua60 Get out the sunscreen, right? 😁
 
3:51 PM
@AncientSwordRage It's fun, and I feel privileged to be invited to help (hopefully) improve the products before publication, but it gets to where (a) I don't really notice when they're actually published, and (b) by the time they are I've already played/tested the next couple of things and I'm all "oh, Theros? Yeah, that was a thing a while back, I guess?" Kinda get out of phase with the zeitgeist.
 
@nitsua60 I am hoping to run a few of those for our Salt Marsh group as fill ins before the next big adventure. We'll see. I think the gang are about to go after the Sahaguin.
 
@nitsua60 sounds like a double edged sword in a way
 
The kids walked out to the car this morning (when it was probably only 30) and were all "oh, let me take this coat off, it's not cold like I expected."
I'm very happy to be raising true New Englanders =)
 
@nitsua60 I have a few friends like that ... when I lived in CT 30 still felt cold to me, but I also was out in shirt sleeves in the 40's and 50's a lot unless the wind was up. One acclimates ...
 
Are we talking Fahrenheit or Celsius?
 
3:54 PM
@AncientSwordRage If so, one edge if very dull: it's 98% awesome and has this little 2% drawback.
 
because really neither of those make sense
@nitsua60 oh, ok I must has misinterpreted your zeitgeist comment
 
@AncientSwordRage Fahrenheit, because of course "gimme a scale between briny slush and fresh sheep's blood, good sir; none of this 'freezing and boiling of water' for me!"
 
@AncientSwordRage °F. This is US weather we are talking about
 
@nitsua60 in what world is 30 degree F 'not cold'
@KorvinStarmast thats what I thought, but also see above comment
A wild @ThomasMarkov appears
\\oo/
 
@nitsua60 Did you catch my message about the official rules for 5e post?
 
3:59 PM
Wait-what? Why would you say SRD belongs in "mistaken for official" rather than "official" (with the annoying footnote that I paraphrase as "it's official, except we can't be bothered to be sure we copied everything over right, so if there's a conflict this one loses")?
(I'm not against the idea--I've basically been out of gaming the last year so I could easily have missed something. I'm just not following.)
@ThomasMarkov sniped =)
@AncientSwordRage When many mornings are single-digit or teens, 30 feels positively balmy =)
 
@nitsua60 V2Blast has several answers around the site that outline this in great detail, see the last section of this answer
 
@nitsua60 I had the dumb, because I know 38F is freezing, I assumed that 30F was closer to -8C
that's not how anything works
 
@nitsua60 It's official, and the majority of it is word for word C&P. but "it's official" with caveats as you've described it is correct.
 
@AncientSwordRage Ahh... and to compound it, it's actually 32F that's freezing, to 30F is more like -1C.
 
4:04 PM
@AncientSwordRage I learned that C to F conversion in third grade. 1.8C+32 = F
They meet at -40 or -44, I'll go and calc that real quick.
 
Of particular note is Jeremy Crawford stating: "Note that the SRD is not an official rules source for D&D."
 
They also meet in Australia: "bloody hot!"
 
@ThomasMarkov I think he's shilling to get people to buy the PHB/MM/DMG. 😛
 
(via twitter)
Which is to say if they meant it, they could revise the SRD to include that.
 
@ThomasMarkov Not gonna be big promoter of free content, is he? Jeremy Crawford is a JC whose Word is not Truth as we know it. 😉
 
4:06 PM
I've got to mull this over a bit. I think it makes sense, given we not have V2's good analyses of the differences, to be more-forward in the "what is official" answer about the failings of the SRD.
 
@nitsua60 you linked to his analysis though didn't you?
 
But my instinct is that the whole "this is not an official rules source (JC tweet)" is more reflective of "we're not going to update/correct this" than anything.
(Which position may be sensible, given the legal weight that the SRD/OGL combo needs to carry.)
 
@nitsua60 that rings a bell
 
It just feels strange to take something published by WotC, imperfectly produced as a subset of the published core set for others' use in producing 5e material, and put it in the same bucket as explicit playtest material.
 
I think I was remembering 38, becuase -38°C is the rough freezing point of mercury
 
4:10 PM
@AncientSwordRage -40
(though you are right about Hg, I seem to recall)
 
@AncientSwordRage 38C always rings a bell to me as about normal internal (mammalian) temperature, is that right?
Gotta run to a lunch--see you all 'round the wherever =)
 
Telecon started, back in a bit
 
4:25 PM
@nitsua60 37 deb C = 98.6
 
@nitsua60 We have to fight for my son to put on leggings under his shorts.
 
 
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6:10 PM
@NautArch What kind of "leggings"? Maybe he just doesn't like how they feel.
 
I assume long jons
@KorvinStarmast interesting, I do 5/9 and 9/5
 
I absolutely love mine but there's a bit of weird toxic masculinity movement that considers them to be utterly unmanly
 
@kviiri yea because men aren't allowed to be comfortable for some reason
 
@kviiri What? Who would say such a thing? Long johns are great!
My guess is people from the south who don't have cold winters, and don't go icefishing
 
GcL
6:27 PM
Or have to go running in the cold.
@RevenantBacon That is how I used to feel about them before I sorted out how to put them on without getting bunching in places that made them uncomfortable to wear.
 
@kviiri I still have my long johns from my cold weather survival course. Rarely need them, and now barely fit them, but those are never gonna leave my chest of drawers. When it's cold, I wear 'em.
 
> and now barely fit them
I feel that
 
6:53 PM
I used to have a pair of blue jeans with a flannel lining on the inside, like pants with leggings attached. They were ideal for cold winters, and I really miss them
 
7:18 PM
@Upper_Case Ooh, that's a good idea. I wonder if they still make those.
 
7:29 PM
@KorvinStarmast They definitely do. I know Eddie Bauer and Wrangler make them, though they may be seasonal or otherwise rare to find on a store shelf
 
8:04 PM
God I hate Windows. It randomly decided to make all of my desktop icons invisible. Like, they were still there, and you could interact with them (assuming you could find them), but you could no longer see them
Restarting explorer.exe fixed it, but it was super annoying
 
@RevenantBacon Do you really want your computer to work the same way, all the time? I mean, if your icons are always visible and interactable... sounds dull
 
@RevenantBacon Fleece lined long underwear. We've tried everything and that's the one that he's okay wearing in the winter. With shorts over them :)
 
8:24 PM
Passed my security+ exam.
 
@RevenantBacon Just wait for them to make an attack, that should make them visible again
 
@JohnP Congratulations!
 
@JohnP woop!
 
Thanks. On to the next certification.
 
@JohnP security++ ?
 
8:40 PM
@AncientSwordRage Hah! Security# maybe? :p
 
@MarkWells Only if it's not Greater Invisibility. It's fine though, I cast See Invisibility
 
9:25 PM
oh great wisdoms of the chat, i beseech your guidance
i have a campaign that i've warned my players that there could be a high number of deaths. as part of the plot i've got 3 spots where players would essentially be giving up their characters to ensure the success of the campaign (basically locking themselves in a different plane of existance)
even if i warn them ahead of time that that's what's required, i feel this might be too mean. thoughts?
 
@DForck42 Did they sign on for mandatory character deaths, rather than likely deaths?
 
@Upper_Case they wouldn't necessarily HAVE to die, but the likelihood is very high and unless the game goes on long enough for them to get plane shift there isn't really a way for a character to return
unless they pull some shenanigans i can't think of
 
banishment?
(assuming there D&D 5e given commoness and the plane shift mention)
 
@Someone_Evil oooh, that's smart, i didnt think about that one. and i'd argue they could banish themselves
 
@DForck42 For me, personally, I wouldn't like the idea that I would probably have to sacrifice my character for a hard-coded plot event. Death in difficult combat, OK, death due to players maneuvering the plot into a tough position, OK. But the DM is aiming for it? Not quite the same
Unless you have something set up with multiple characters, backup characters, relevant character motivations woven into the story, etc.
 
9:33 PM
6
Q: Are there any descriptions of the casting of Identify in official writings?

SeriousBriI am making a list of how my wizard would cast spells, specifically using the components supplied. Sometimes this is pretty obviously a joke which I can play upon, but sometimes the components don't really make any sense (to me at least). Identify (D&D 5e) specifically calls for a 100gp pearl, an...

 
On the other hand, getting stranded on a different plane of existence sounds like the start of an adventure, not the end
 
Yeah, I'm gonna give you a hard "no" to scripted character deaths.
 
I don't understand this premise. Unless this is the very end of the campaign, how does the campaign succeed if the characters don't exist in it anymore?
 
Heroic sacrifice, presumably.
But it's probably a good idea to be on the same page with the players about this.
Not with random creatures of the Interwebs.
 
@RevenantBacon surprise scripted character deaths. Obviously if a player is into it, it's fine.
The great thing about being the DM is that you could also just not require they die and let them and the plot continue.
 
9:39 PM
If it's the very last session, and a heroic sacrifice is required to Can the Evil/destroy the MacGuffin/Exchange Your Life for Theirs, then it's not bad at all, since the characters are effectively dead after that anyways
 
Yep. Otherwise the heroic sacrifice should be, at best, presented as an Option B, where the default Option A doesn't require a guaranteed character (perma)death.
 
@ThomasMarkov That's the very thing that was being enquired about. Should there be (multiple) scripted points during the plot that force a character death?
As opposed to just at the end
 
so basically i've got three gates to different planes open and they need to shut them. the idea is that there's an item that they need to destroy on that particular plane to close that gate
 
Though I think that Someone_Evil's observation might be the way to square this circle most easily. In D&D 5e, death doesn't have to be more than a moderate inconvenience. If there are ways for the story to continue for the characters making the heroic sacrifice, the biggest risk is that death becomes a repetitive and uninteresting consequence
 
Could they shoot something through the gate to destroy the mcguffin on the other side?
 
9:44 PM
@DForck42 Give them a short way out and a long way out. If they fail the short way, they have to take the long way and youve got your next story arc.
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@DForck42 The whole plotline is your domain as DM, so is the outcome that you want that PCs end up stranded/dead? It's trivial to provide a MacGuffin, and NPC, a quest, or similar that fixes anything negative resulting from what they need to do to win at all
@ThomasMarkov That's an awesome way to structure it
 
@Upper_Case Im thinking skill challenge to make it to the gate before it closes.
 
@ThomasMarkov I like it. And if that doesn't work out, I also like the idea of plot consequences for the main story line (resulting from the villains being freed from those meddling adventurers). The biggest remaining risk is splitting the party, I think-- what if half succeed at the skill check to get back through the gate, but the other half fails?
 
@Upper_Case Id make it all or nothing.
 
@ThomasMarkov That would fix it!
 
10:26 PM
@RevenantBacon I forget where, maybe in a Dungeon Dudes video comment, someone had planned to kill off their character and only told the GM, but then surprisingly their party went through hell and Highwater to save them because if how much they loved that character
 
@Upper_Case Then half of them make new characters, yeah? Just like any other partial party kill.
 
10:49 PM
@MarkWells it'd be awesome to play the cleric who was hired to raise your old character, only to tell the party that they didn't wait to be raised and then join them as a party member.
 
@MarkWells I was building off of Thomas Markov's suggestion that failing the check result in a slow way back, rather than death
 
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Q: How to reveal a time limit without videogaming it?

MelferasI am under the impression (so correct me if I'm wrong) that having a close time limit on objectives could be fun if there is not an abuse of the game mechanic. So one hand, I want my players to find out about this time limit in the right moment: Oh no, the truck where we hid the MacGuffin just l...

 
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