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12:04 AM

Lol

Good ol' Cain

> She is Ogden's wife in Diablo. Farnham believes that she does not like him. Gillian says her mother died and refers to Garda as "Ogden's wife" in the first game, but To Hell and Back reveals Garda is her mom.

In reference to Garda

The writers in the first game really did not foresee this game being as popular as it was . Lol

nitsua60

12:38 AM

@Yuuki @kviiri makes me wonder if a canonical "why was $myfavoriteuser suspended?" meta question with "we won't discuss it, here are the good reasons why" would be in order?

KorvinStarmast

@Ben Not Ogden's wife. Ah, I see that Miniman got it already.

Miniman

@nitsua60 It'd certainly be handy, assuming the votes cooperated.

nitsua60

@DavidCoffron a metric I can see that (I think) gets closest to what you're describing is "number of users active (posted, commented, edited, or even just voted) on the site on at least one day per each of the last five weeks." That rolling average tends to hover just south of 1000. (Lowest I've ever seen is still above 700.)

If you change that to "active on the site at least 5 days of week, each of last 5 weeks" that hovers around--you guessed it--100.

@Miniman I feel like meta.SE might have something like that lying around that we can bang into service. Might have some time to rummage tonight. That'll currently sit at #3 on my priority list, 75 minutes out from bedtime =)

Ben

@KorvinStarmast Yeah. I think I might make Garda Gillian's grandmother. She can be useful as a plothook

nitsua60

Sep 22 '16 at 21:23, by nitsua60

Whoa. First dupehammer.
Think I'm gonna feel it tomorrow. I probably should've stretched.

The "clear" line--as clear as it gets--is "are you doing something you couldn't do with just your one account?"
Voting for yourself? Clearly not okay.
Answer a question with the second account? Fine.
Comment on your main account's post with a second account saying "this answer's awesome, would read again!" Not okay. (Because while you could leave that comment with your main account, you couldn't do so *without everyone knowing it's you*.)
Suggest edits rather than just make them? I'm not exactly sure where that'd fall. Technically (IIRC) in the architecture as a high-rep user you are sugges…

That said, one has to wonder what edits you'd have to be suggesting with your lesser account that would get you caught as a sock....

trogdor

12:59 AM

Huh?

nitsua60

@trogdor Someone upstream asked if they could create a second account to suggest edits, given their main account is a "trusted user."

trogdor

That's a weird idea,... Using a lower rep account to,... Be taken less seriously?

Ben

WEll, no I can understand that.

nitsua60

@trogdor I know one user who feels very strongly that way and so gives away bounties enough to stay under a particular rep threshold.

Ben

Instead of just editing a post, sometimes it might be worthwhile to suggest an edit, to be reviewed by other users. Having the lower rep automatically forces that

trogdor

1:01 AM

Fair enough

I don't really edit other people's posts in the first place so

Wtv works for people who do I guess

As long as it isn't some type of abuse

Ben

I'm at the point where my edits are automatically accepted, so when it comes to re-formatting a big post, to maybe re-word what they're saying to help with context, or maybe to try and make the post more relevant, big changes like that, I feel, would probably be better off being reviewed, rather than just automatically accepted.

Whereas minor spelling edits and that sort of stuff is more than likely just fine

> Canace is Wirt's mother, as mentioned by Gillian. She died from grief when Wirt was abducted by demons, causing her son to grow bitter and withdrawn after being rescued by Griswold.

How long was Wirt gone??

trogdor

1:23 AM

I guess that in that case I would be most concerned with wether the original poster is ok with the edit in question

If it still says the thing they intended to say

KorvinStarmast

@Ben Hmm, good question, in D1 that was left sorta vague, not sure what the retcon was. Wirt's leg was a weapon in D2.

Ben

@trogdor Exactly. The review process can allow for that to happen.

@KorvinStarmast I've been doing a little bit of ret-conning... with some suggestions from others. In this case I made it that his father was once that went in to the cathedral, before the party arrive, and his mother died of grief from that. The events of Wirt's leg happens as part of the story. That way Wirt can be a bit more involved in the story, rather than being just a salesman.

KorvinStarmast

cool. And he was quite the con man/rip off artist. Famous for it, in D1 circles ... :)

Ben

Precisely. I have use of that kind of behaviour...

KorvinStarmast

And then there's Farnham, the drunk ... 8^D

Ben

1:36 AM

I've been doing a bit of research into a few of the characters. Normally you wouldn't get much from their original dialogue, but apparently a few of them have a bit of a more elaborate involvement in the story than first thought

KorvinStarmast

And of course the fans made up all kinds of stories via fan fiction. The Pixips example above with Cain is but one.

nitsua60

2:07 AM

@KorvinStarmast Saw your e-mail, should be able to get back to you tomorrow. (We had "revisit day" today, for accepted students, and so I'm a day behind on life.)

Ben

@KorvinStarmast I did enjoy that one

KorvinStarmast

2:42 AM

@nitsua60 I know how you feel. (Day behind on life) Happens to me a lot, but maybe that's my age?

@Ben I'll see if I can find that old story about the Farnham conspiracy. Vague recollections ....

linksassin

@KorvinStarmast You mean it's possible to not feel a day behind? How do I achieve this mystical nirvana?

Ben

Well, Pepin is apparently evil so...

KorvinStarmast

@linksassin Rye whiskey is one path to that objective, I think. sips

linksassin

@KorvinStarmast Well even if it's not it will make the journey more enjoyable

KorvinStarmast

Aye

@Ben I guess the official back story is: Farnham was one of the original band of warriors led into the depths of the Cathedral by Archbishop Lazarus to rescue Prince Albrecht. Unbeknownst to them, Lazarus had already made a pact with Diablo and the entire rescue operation was a trap, leading them into The Butcher's lair to be slaughtered.

Farnham was able to save himself and Griswold by escaping to the surface, where he proceeded to drink himself into a stupor. He reentered the belly of the Cathedral several times in an effort to look for his missing wife and daughter, eventually emerging with his daughter. However, she was so wounded that Aidan chose to end her life by cutting her down. Farnham then proceeded to lose foreseeably lose himself in the bottom of a bottle.

Ben

2:55 AM

Yes, that one is in the wiki

KorvinStarmast

I am trying to find some of the oddball ones, man it's been years

@Ben heh, there's a collection of bad diablo poetry called "ode to the lost golem" that has this ...

Old Farnham drinks whiskey all day
(Shakes down Wirt to get money to pay)
When the boy has no dough
To level four he must go
Selling the Snotspill the sign again -- Hey!

Ben

lolol

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3:32 AM

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Ben

4:13 AM

I feel like the 90s were a mix of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should" and "you won't know unless you try"

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V2Blast

4:57 AM

5e build question:
I have a Mastermind rogue 9/Battle Master Fighter 5, and we just got our last level up of the campaign. Figured I'd take my 6th fighter level since an ASI's the only thing I get either way, and the fighter level at least gives an extra HP regained for Second Wind plus a larger hit die.

Are there any feats particularly worth taking, or should I just bring my Dex up from 18 to 20?

(The rest of the party's got most things pretty well covered, I think. We have a paladin, a Lore bard, a Conjuration wizard, a Battle Master fighter, and a celestial warlock/shadow sorcerer/figh…

linksassin

What feats have you taken already? Where did the first 3 ASIs go?

V2Blast

no feats at the moment. I was a total newbie when I built this character so I think he started with 14 Str, 14 Dex, and 10 Con

current stats are 14 Str, 18 Dex, 12 Con, 14 Int, 8 Wis, and 16 Cha

we used the standard array

and I had no idea what I was doing when we started out

linksassin

Ah that makes sense. I was confused how a 14th level character didn't have a 20 in their primary stat.

I can't think of a feat that would be better than the +2 to dex.

Dex is just such an overpowered stat in 5e. Particularly if you are using finesse weapons it just just super useful. I assume you are wearing light armor not medium?

V2Blast

Medium, actually

part of the reason I multiclassed into fighter in the first place was because my initial stat allocation was terrible so my AC was awful

wearing a Breastplate +1

current AC of 17, thanks to the Mariner fighting style

linksassin

That +1 is from Mariner or is it a +1 Breastplate?

Your AC would be the same in Studded Leather and higher after increasing dex to 20

12 + 5 (Dex) + 1 (Mariner) = 18 AC

V2Blast

5:15 AM

ah, shoulda been 18 with the +1 from Mariner

I had it as an AC modifier on Roll20 but for some reason it was unchecked

linksassin

Ah ok, well in that case it will be the same.

Do you have enough HP or do you go down in combat alot?

V2Blast

generally pretty good on HP now

I think my HP is one of the highest in the party :D

linksassin

So you don't need tough then. Dual Wielder would give you +1 to AC and the ability to draw both weapons in a single turn.

But the +1 to Hit and damage of Dex is probably better

V2Blast

honestly the Scimitar of Speed with its unconditional bonus-action attack means I virtually never use another weapon :P

linksassin

You don't have to use it just hold the dagger in the other hand to get the benefit.

But yeah, not that useful really.

V2Blast

5:25 AM

yeah I know, I just mean I rarely need to draw another weapon, especially in the same turn. so it'd just be the +1 to AC

linksassin

Magic Initiate Warlock for Hex maybe?

V2Blast

which at this point isn't that necessary

linksassin

You could get that same benefit from Medium Amour master as well. +1 to AC

Miniman

What race?

V2Blast

halfling

Miniman

5:38 AM

I'd second the Dex recommendation, but if that's (understandably) too boring, some useful feats: Alert, Defensive Duelist, Observant, Lucky, Resilient, are all good for just about anyone. Martial Adept is nice if there's some maneuvers you'd like to have and don't already, or if you find yourself running out of superiority on a regular basis. Bountiful Luck isn't especially fun for you, but your teammates might thank you. Second Chance is...eh. I'd prefer Defensive Duelist, personally.

V2Blast

Heh. maxing Dex sounds fine to me :)

Miniman

As a melee rogue, triggering Sneak Attack off-turn is nice, so Sentinel is a weird but workable pick.

But yeah, Dex is almost certainly the best option.

Sorry for the spiel :)

V2Blast

Thanks for the help!

Miniman

That Scimitar of Speed really is an incredible item for any finesse melee person.

V2Blast

It is. Didn't realize how amazing it could be until a session or two after I got it

the unconditional bonus action attack also basically means I can do anything with my action

Miniman

5:44 AM

(My number 1 goal for any character who primarily uses Attack actions is finding a way to attack with a bonus action.)

Ben

@Miniman Horns

Miniman

Wow, I never even thought about it being unconditional. That really is fantastic.

linksassin

@Miniman That thought is what leads most people to believe that two-weapon fighting is a good option.

Miniman

@Ben That's one way, yeah. Polearm Master, Berserker, Battlerager, dual-wielding...

V2Blast

It is. I can Ready an attack for an off-turn Sneak Attack, I can Dodge, I can take a healing potion, etc.

Miniman

5:47 AM

@linksassin Yeah...it might even have been true if they hadn't provided so many methods that are just better.

linksassin

@V2Blast Does a readied action counts as a different turn? I wouldn't allow sneak attack on a bonus action as well as a readied action.

V2Blast

@linksassin well, if you ready it to go off on someone else's turn, then yeah. it's a different turn.

Ben

Or use Matt Mercer's homebrew rules

V2Blast

I also recently got a special healer's kit from an NPC that basically gives me the benefit of the Healer feat, so I'm kinda like a thief in that I can attack and heal someone in the same turn :P

linksassin

@Miniman Exactly, it's good at first, maybe second level but once the other options are available it's just terrible

@Ben Matt has stopped using most of those in season 2 due to balance issues experience late in campaign one.

@V2Blast I'm not sure that's true, if it is I have been playing rogue's all wrong...

V2Blast

5:49 AM

It is indeed true.

Ben

Good. I had... issue with that

V2Blast

though for most rogues, readying an attack means you're not attacking on your turn so it doesn't give you any extra damage

with the Scimitar of Speed, or with Action Surge, you can attack on your own turn and then ready an attack for someone else's turn

though it does feel cheesy so I don't do it too often :P

linksassin

Damn... that is useful new information. I always assumed it was part of the turn you readied it on.

Miniman

@V2Blast Or Haste!

But yeah, it's pretty difficult to do.

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