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7:00 PM
@Rubiksmoose I was asking if they've given a reason. But either works
 
@Someone_Evil Ah. They do in the MSE post:
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(I thought it was in the Blog as well, but I misremembered)
Also, the reasons seem solid to me.
 
@MikeQ And then we get our pitchforks?
 
Depends. Once you learn to forgive the author's lack of external consistency, you'll be much more bothered by themes, writing style, pacing, and social implications. Then you can get the pitchforks.
 
Not waiting. Getting pitchfork.
can't find pitchfork
 
@NautArch Can you find a pitchspork instead?
 
7:15 PM
@MikeQ oooh
pitchsporky!
 
Or if you have a budget, you could rent a sporklift
 
7:32 PM
@Gwideon It's also possible that a fanfiction author may have differing perspectives on certain characters and events in the official lore. That doesn't make them a bad author, it's just a new viewpoint for the reader to consider.
 
@MikeQ And alternate history fiction is a whole genre
 
@MikeQ I have no problem with fanfiction especially if it's well written. I have a problem when official material reads like bad fanfiction.
 
ha, i think my initial questions to the answers on the antimagic field/detect magic interaction led them to change their answers. BUt in the meantime, I had put my own up. So we've all basically got the same answer. Yay consensus?
 
@Gwideon That's fair. If you dislike the typical pitfalls of fanfiction, maybe try reading more stories that aren't related to an existing body of canon. Pick up something completely unfamiliar and new.
 
7:45 PM
@MikeQ I'm not talking about fan fiction. I'm talking about official canon material. As I have said I am completely fine with fan fiction even if it is bad as it has no affect on actual canon (in fact I am guilty of writing bad fan fiction). My problem is when official material that is canon reads like poorly written fanfiction. I also Have major problems with character assassination which often happens in poorly written canon material.
sorry if that came off as harsh
 
@V2Blast I saw your reddit post. And my god so many people are complaining about not being able to polymorph themselves.
 
@kent linky?
 
@goodguy5 lol
 
sorry i should probably be quiet
 
I assume this one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/e6fr4o/keith_baker_confirmed_with_wotc_that_changelings/
 
7:49 PM
@Gwideon c'mon
 
@Gwideon Nah, feel free to keep chatting.
(I'm not sure if such encouragement makes things actually better. I was trying to make it clear that your perspective is welcome.)
 
I searched: "site:https://reddit.com v2blast polymorph"

Then limited to only this week.
 
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Q: Can lethargy from haste spell's ending be dispelled?

VylixHaste description says: When the spell ends, the target can’t move or take actions until after its next turn, as a wave of lethargy sweeps over it. Can this lethargy effect be dispelled using dispel magic? Or maybe supressed inside an antimagic field? Is there any way to cheese out this neg...

 
@goodguy5 ah. I'm just going to file this in my "let's not use Eberron content" file.
 
7:51 PM
Why?
 
@Gwideon oh god, are you talking about Karen Traviss?
 
Not you too @NautArch\
 
@Yuuki yep
 
@kent I think a lot of it is...not good.
it still feels like playtest content to me
 
^
 
7:52 PM
Well. I still feel that way about battle smith
 
Does not feel like the usual standard of content.
 
calculating damage over and over, trying to figure out how that class does any damage.
 
This question is another example. They almost definitely mean to have to see them. Every other reaction attack requires that (afaik)
 
Traviss has this thing about tearing down whatever the central group of the work is. Jedi for Star Wars and Spartans for Halo.
 
THe best i can come up with is atlevel 15 if your pet does deflect attack every round you can catch up in sustanined damage
 
7:53 PM
And also glorifying the Mandalorians.
 
@Yuuki just suffered through the kilo 5 trilogy
she also tries to make ONI fricking ONI look like the good guys.
 
Personally Naut if changeling gets +3 charisma. not being able to polymorph themselves is the least of our concerns
 
> Meanwhile, Office of Naval Intelligence Director Admiral Margaret Parangosky assembles a black ops team known as Kilo-Five, which is assigned on a covert mission to sow discord between disparate Sangheili factions by any means necessary
ah good, love too elevate Henry Kissinger as an ideal of international diplomacy
 
it's just not good.
 
@Gwideon You're fine. If you haven't noticed yet, it's quite normal for us nerd folk to rant about stuff in here.
 
7:57 PM
yeah
 
There are some authors that have a tendency to write Mary Sue characters. Traviss is not one of those. She writes Mary Sue cultures/societies.
 
I like mandos but what her worship of them is disgusting (and hypocritical as in the EU the mandos did all of the things she claims the jedi order is doing)
 
It's actually kinda weird how her treatment of Jedi/Mandalorians matches up to her treatment of Spartans/ONI.
 
her hatred of the republic (a faction that was under the control of a really evil dude at the time) and the jedi (who had literally no choice in the matter) is completely and utterly unreasonable.
 
Overly harsh and (occasionally baseless) criticisms of a secretive warrior group with superhuman abilities that were recruited as children paired with glowing idolatry of a militaristic collective.
 
8:05 PM
@Gwideon For the mostly-EU-unaware, what do they do and what does she claim Jedi are doing?
 
Actually, it's also kinda weird how the Jedi match up fairly well to Spartans.
Well, one thing I remember is that she characterized Jaina (Leia and Han's daughter from the EU books) as a spoiled princess who never fought a real battle in her life despite her having actually fought in a war while losing several relatives and friends because she's the daughter of two war heroes and enemies tend to try to assassinate you for that.
 
@vicky_molokh the mandos are genocidal conquers who have used slaves and the such. She claims that the jedi are evil for "enslaving" the clones when in fact the jedi where actually some of the biggest proponents for clone rights. She also says the jedi and the chancellor are in cahoots to make the clone wars (which she thinks is only a brush fire war for some reason) appear bigger than they are.
which makes no freaking sense
 
oO_Òo
 
@Gwideon The fact that she thinks the Jedi enslaved the clones would make her a pretty good Imperial citizen.
 
also what where the jedi supposed to do turn their back on the very government they had sworn to protect. they had no choice in taking on the clones. the clone army lies entirely at the feet of the senate and palpitine. while the jedi were indeed a very flawed organization her take on them is just not right.
 
8:12 PM
Since that's exactly the propaganda that the Emperor would have you believe.
 
Granted, much of the prequels lore regarding the emperor and Jedi council made no freaking sense either
 
@MikeQ unless you accept that Jar Jar is a sith lord.
 
and also really what was the republic supposed to do. not send the ready made army to defend yourself against the millions of Battle droids.
 
@MikeQ Yeah, that whole thing about Sifo-Dyas literally made no sense.
Except to justify some throwaway line in the prequels.
Then again, the sole purpose of the Expanded Universe at times seemed to be to justify random throwaway lines in the films.
Like we're supposed to believe that some unknown Jedi Master commissioned a clone army because he foresaw the Sith and yet kept the whole thing a secret from literally everyone else. And he'd rather tell Count Dooku about this secret army instead of, I dunno, Yoda. But then it turns out that his visions were sent by Palpatine so that he could get a Jedi to commission the army for him.
 
@Gwideon Speaking of which, since you watch the new series, is the eponymous Mandalorian similarly nasty?
 
8:18 PM
As opposed to, I dunno, either Dooku or Palpatine commissioning the army themselves under a false identity?
 
but really I don't think those are the worst things she's done. I think here poor handling of a disabled character who before had been portrayed as a very capable bada** is probably her most egregious sin.
 
@kent I hate this so much.
 
@vicky_molokh actually no. mandos in disney canon are less nasty than in the EU. also there are good mandos.
 
@Gwideon As far as I know, the original Mandalorian Taung species doesn't exist in Disney canon.
 
8:21 PM
> mandos in disney canon are less nasty
That's an amusing two things to put side by side.
You know, 'Everything is less nasty in the Disney version'. Like the Mermaid.
 
@vicky_molokh He's actually quite nice. The show is also quite good IMO.
This coming from someone with 0 SW canon knowledge.
 
@Rubiksmoose Isn't that the best position to be in though?
The less you know about Star Wars, the better a Star Wars fan you are.
Knowledge of the Dark Side of the Force will twist your mind and intentions.
 
@Yuuki Pretty much lol
 
@Yuuki it's not really been confirmed or denied.
 
Character idea: Warlock who's a member of an apocalypse cult. Except their foretold apocalypse won't be happening for another 10,000 years and they'll be damned if they're going to let the world end before its appointed time.
 
8:26 PM
my whole stance is that stuff from the EU especially old republic stuff should still be considered canon until contradicted by new canon
@Yuuki that actually sounds interesting.
 
> "Sir, I have a religious objection to your doomsday machine."
> "Oh, you think killing everyone is wrong?"
> "No, killing everyone is certainly morally right. Just not right now."
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@Yuuki I honestly like learning lore and stuff though I tend to focus my studies. I realize that things can change. most of my knowledge is focused around ships, weapons, and battle tactics and less so on the fluid and enigmatic philosophy of the force. Basically I take the stance of a Millitary historian.
 
There's just something amusing about a character whose actions are almost definitely make them a paragon of good with the sole exception being that their central guiding belief is wholly evil.
 
yeah that is very amusing
anyways I'll stop my ranting and move on
 
@Gwideon Given how wishy-washy SW is about both the tech and the tactics, does that (military-historicism) even work out?
 
8:44 PM
@vicky_molokh actually surprisingly yes. We can analyze the general tactics of what we see on screen and page and figure out the strengths and weaknesses of certain factions. also we have fairly definitive descriptions of weaponry and their capabilities. For example one of the biggest flaws with the empire (and one of the main reasons the rebels where able to get an upper hand) was the inflexibility of it's fleet. the empire rarely deployed small ships such as corvettes.
which meant they had to rely on their subpar starfighter to deal with small craft. the rebellion had some of the best starfighters in the galaxy at the time and specialized in hit and run tactics which made them uniquely equipped to take advantage of this weakness.
 
I suspect that trying to view SW from a serious military/political perspective must be frustrating, due to the sheer number of bafflingly bad tactical decisions and the nonsense that ensues
 
@MikeQ i tend not to take it to seriously though actual alot of tactical decisions that seem to be bad do make sense in context.
 
Such as?
 
the tarkin doctrine for example makes sense for a galaxy at peace (which dispite being oppressed it was for nearly two decades). It's a doctrine designed to deal instill fear and prevent uprisings by instilling fear into a populace which it was largely successful at doing. the tie fighter also makes sense in this context as it was only really used as patrol craft until the galactic civil war which it was effective at
 
@Gwideon I was generally worried that those various things depicted are depicted more based on the Rule of Cool than with any eye towards presenting a coherent faction/situation/etc.
 
8:55 PM
also the empire did try to upgrade (as indicated by the tie interceptor and various other models of tie) but those upgrades where to expensive to fully equip a full starfighter core of millions with.
@vicky_molokh also yeah that is true and I know i'm probably being dumb but it's fun to me
I'm really a nerd.
 
@Gwideon Nerdery is fun and since you acknowledge the pitfalls, I wouldn't think there's any reason to suspect dumbness.
 
Oh, I was referring moreso to decisions like a sith lord playing both sides of a galactic war against themself, so they can gain control over a senate that they already control. Or trusting a mercenary army with a shady background. Or entrusting the least competent guy in the swamp to be the legal representative of a whole planet.
 
Yeah, making the clone army part of Sidious's plan the entire time was soooo dumb. Even if it was a canon decision, sooooo dumb.
 
Or whatever incompetence led to a critical defeat by a small tribe of stone age teddy bears
 
I remember a fan rewrite of the prequel saga that had less mind games. The clones were just part of the galaxy being caught up in a war fervor and the Jedi were swept along for the ride, slowly become more and more militarized and distancing themselves from their peaceful origins. Until eventually, all the Jedi were wiped out near the end of the civil war from some cataclysmic battle and Palpatine just took over the Republic from the remains.
 
9:03 PM
actually palpitine used the clone wars merely to cement his power. before the clone wars he didn't have full control over the senate. also he needed to get rid of the jedi while also making people long for security. also yeah the clone army is kinda a point of contention for me but I like to think about it like this. if you were the republic and you'd just been informed that millions of battle driods are being manufactured with the intention of wiping you out and you have no standing army
 
@Rubiksmoose What is your reasoning for hating it? Seems just like another Drow, Centaur, Gnome thing.
 
what are you gonna do when a fully ready army shows up pledging full allegiance to you
 
@Gwideon The clone army is fine. What doesn't make sense to me is the idea that Sidious/Palpatine engineers a galaxy-spanning conflict rather than simply taking advantage of one.
 
@Yuuki And engineers it against himself
 
@MikeQ we don't talk about the ewoks
I do agree that Palpitine's plan is... over complicated. part of me feels he did solely because he could.
 
9:07 PM
Yep. Personally I accept the interpretation that Palpatine was just bored. He's more powerful than everyone else, so the only opponent worthy of challenge is himself.
 
Or rather it was written like that so Lucas could "prove" that Palpatine was "smart" enough to do that.
@MikeQ I'm imagining a universe where Anakin is slightly late to aid the arrest of Palpatine because he tripped on those unnecessarily long and flowy Jedi robes or something. Windu then cuts off Palpatine's head and the last thought through his head is "hmm, good play, me, I never saw that coming"
 
But yeah, Palpy was sufficiently wealthy, influential, and magical that he could have just killed his primary Jedi opponents, and maybe hired some bounty hunters and apprentices for help. There's no good reason he had to contract two galactic-scale armies just to cover up some Jedi assassinations.
 
and as a bonus he get's to have his members of the only order that can oppose his full takeover die in droves.
he would;ve needed a smaller army to take out the jedi which numbered in the thousands at that time. also better to make someone else pay for it
and it would've been suspicious if jedi just started dropping dead left and right
 
But the Jedi did drop dead left and right, and most of the galactic populace didn't care
 
@Gwideon Nah, based on history, it seems like taking on an apprentice significantly increases your mortality rate as a Jedi Master.
Even before the Civil War.
 
9:13 PM
in my opinion he would've caused a war either way so better to have complete control over both sides
 
Just condition a bunch of child orphans as sleeper agents. Once they're apprenticed to a Jedi Master and the Master dies, they'll just quit the Order.
Boom, -1 Jedi.
Actually, just imagine bribing the entire Jedi Order to change their name or something.
 
anyways I'm gonna move past palpy's political maneuvering as yeah it's convoluted and makes little sense at times
 
> "Oh, my venerable Sith Masters, I have finally accomplished the goal we have been working towards for centuries! The Jedi Order is no more! In unrelated news, there is this new group of Force-sensitives that call themselves the AFSJI, or the Association for Force-Sensitive Jedi-like Individuals."
 
hahaha
anyways i gtg so um bye.
 
Nov 20 '17 at 20:59, by SPavel
The ability of a Star Wars fan to get upset about the EU is insignificant next to the power of the Force
 
9:23 PM
i'm honestly not that upset by the EU
yeah it's sad but it was also necessary.
 
@Gwideon Yeah, who do you think I am, Boris Johnson?
 
We can't prove that you're not Boris Johnson
 
@MikeQ Look, my hair might be bad but it's not that bad.
At the very least, it looks like it belongs on top of my head.
 
9:41 PM
@Xirema Oh, so I ended up going with 4d6dl down the line, got 16 15 15 11 12 10. Made a Githyanki Zealot Barbarian out of it. Backstory is that she got bored of being a footsoldier in the endless war between the Githyanki and the Githzerai, so she went AWOL to go be a pirate in Saltmarsh instead.
 
@Xirema Alternately, she joined an ever-growing group of those disillusioned with the endless war and lives in a city that they started together, known as Github.
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I need to find a device that makes that really unsettling creaky-clicking noise associated with J-Horror, so that I can use that every time she needs to talk, to represent her twisting her neck to grin at whomever she's talking to.
> Welcome! ~To the City of a Thousand Sighs!
 
@Yuuki barely manages to contain a little chuckle
 
user15026
@Yuuki facedesk
 
9:59 PM
@doppelgreener You missed another! I just moved it :P
Aug 7 '18 at 20:02, by doppelgreener
At least for this chat, going by its history, the most off-topic thing anyone's probably asked in here was a tabletop RPG question.
 
lol
always love that one
 
10:28 PM
@NautArch JK Rowling had that same impact on me. I wanted to pick up a blue pencil
@Rubiksmoose I have been seeing them on Christianity SE, and it's so nice to have these new and shiny things that have zero value added. I guess it's progress.
 
user15026
@KorvinStarmast blue, not red?
 
What is a good guide on adventure design?
 
@Ludoss Adventure design in what sense? Running a game for your group, or making something sharable/publishable?
 
@KorvinStarmast It's been awhile since I read them. I remember the books progressively getting better and thinking that she was writing for younger kids and kept it simpler, but then improved as her audience aged.
 
generating ideas for a homebrew adventure, it doesn't to be shareable.
 
10:32 PM
System and edition?
 
Savage Worlds Deluxe
or DnD 5e
It should be standard fantasy.
 
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Q: How does vampirism work in 5e?

J. WagnerA PC in our group was off on his own following a recurring villain of our groups. He was paralyzed where he could move, and the vampire bit his neck. The vampire said "now you get to remain 19 (years old) forever" before he left the cave. This was all done in RP. We found him later, and healed u...

 
Can't speak for SW, but the 5e DMG does spend a lot of time on adventure generation
 
@Ludoss I've gotten a lot of my ideas from books/shows/movies and then tweaked them to fit the game. It really can go anywhere your imagination takes you. But you should first start with whether or not you are using an existing setting.
 
I use a homebrew setting.
 
10:36 PM
Have you been using this setting?
 
I have read the DMG, but failed to have ideas about it.
 
Consider having your players help you. Have them write backstories for their characters, and prompt them to include something unresolved in them. Also, try to listen when they talk about stuff, it might give you an insight into things the do, or will, enjoy
 
@Ash grin blue pencil for "the pencil the editor uses" but that might only be in newspapers?
 
@KorvinStarmast I think more people have been exposed to teachers than newspaper editors
 
Yes, I have used the setting in one adventure, they liked it, but now I'm collecting ideas to continue.
 
10:40 PM
@Ludoss Are you continuing with the same characters? If so, think about anything they have done (possibly incidental) which you can build upon.
 
@kent Lol, yeah. It's a balance. Enemies can't polymorph you, but neither can allies. I've never seen an enemy actually use moonbeam on the party, and never seen players try to use it on shapechangers.
 
Yes, same pcs.
 
Was there any NPCs they - mistreated - or the players had suspicions or hypothesis about?
 
@Yuuki Brilliant. :D
 
No, there aren't.
 
user15026
10:50 PM
@KorvinStarmast yeah, I was totally thinking teacher red
 
I'm wondering, if I had missed some kind of adventure generating guide.
 
@Ash I have done that too :)
@NautArch they got progressively longer, not better, in my memory. Read all 7 since the kids were reading them ...
@Ludoss @V2Blast posted a nice link yesterday. here in chat
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer (176): How much experience is needed when I multiclass into a new class? by DND Gamer since 1978 on rpg.SE
 
Ben
11:08 PM
@SmokeDetector I've seen people do that in answers, "if you have any more questions email me here". Seems harmless enough but probably shouldn't be done on a public site.
 
11:25 PM
@Ludoss 5 room dungeons. (roleplayingtips.com/5-room-dungeons) Sroll past all the times he tries to get you to sign up for his newsletter (if you want); the format's lower on the page.
 
11:46 PM
@KorvinStarmast Shawn Merwin's "Let's Design an Adventure" series seems to be intended more for those writing an adventure for public consumption, rather than just at one table, but there are still probably valuable insights to be had there
https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/587-lets-design-an-adventure
http://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/623-lets-design-an-adventure-outlines-and-frameworks
http://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/624-lets-design-an-adventure-adventure-hooks-and
http://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/625-lets-design-an-adventure-boxed-text
http://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/626-lets-design-an-adventure-encounter-basics
 
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