TRPG General Chat

Helwar

2:00 PM

Are 2 part questions ok? Like... "Was this puzzle ok? How should this be tackled in the future?"

paraphrasing

kviiri

Not as a general rule, but in this case I think they make sense as a single question

doppelgreener

As a rule of thumb: ask questions separately except where they make no sense being asked separately

in that case they make no sense being asked separately, so it's ok to ask them together

Rubiksmoose

This Star Spawn loop question reminds me of this shield guardian question

Helwar

every time I write a question is like a short novella.... let me trim this

Derpy

> In theory you could use this to "store up" an arbitrary amount of floating damage, which would all be immediately inflicted on the last guardian of the chain once the chain is broken. But unless you can figure out how to make that last link something you want to kill, I see no practical way to abuse this loophole.

loophole? this seems a very nice idea to use for a very creative puzzle....

Rubiksmoose

2:11 PM

@Derpy Hah. That would be interesting to see implemented for sure.

Javelin

Hey, I got a kind of awkward question...

Rubiksmoose

@Javelin Fire away.

We might have a kind of awkward answer.

Javelin

I just asked about Star Spawn Hulks and Seers a little while ago, and I got an answer. It's about a feature of the Hulk, the same one in that loop question, and how the Seer has attacks that deal Psychic damage, no doubt meant to be redirected by the Hulk.

Rubiksmoose

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Q: Star Spawn feature combination

I got myself Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes, and am almost done reading through it. I made it to Star Spawn, and two things about the Star Spawn Hulk caught my attention: Psychic Mirror: If the hulk takes psychic damage, each creature within 10 feet of the hulk takes that damage instead; t...

^this one yes?

Javelin

I also don't know how the damage is redirected by said Hulk, and I want to ask a question about that, regarding the very same creatures and features and things. Should I make that a separate question, since the first one is about the condition?

Yes, that one.

My new question would be about damage specifically.

A Very Large Bear

2:21 PM

@Javelin Yes, that should be a separate question.

Rubiksmoose

@AVeryLargeBear Agreed. That is a different question.

Javelin

Radical. I am also kind of uh...paranoid? anxious? Im worried about how I will word it...

and I suppose I ought to link to my first question about those two

Rubiksmoose

@Javelin Out of curiosity, what is it that confuses you about the damage transference?

Javelin

So, the hulks psychic mirror says it redirects the damage to EACH creature within 10 ft.

The psychic orb attack of the Seer deals 27, or 5d10 damage

Derpy

@Rubiksmoose to be fair, I was thinking of abusing that to create a loop not so different from the "Discard your whole deck" trick that Yami used in a Yu-gi-oh episode. Something like a two part entity that can't be killed unless you kill both part. With the little added problem that as soon you kill one, the surviving one immediately regenerates it.

Javelin

2:24 PM

and I dont know if that should get divided between the creatures, or if each one takes that damage. which would be brutal.

A Very Large Bear

@Javelin That's a good question to ask. And I think you've worded it pretty well here.

Rubiksmoose

@Javelin ah ok. Yeah go ahead and that. That seems well-defined and worded.

Javelin

Thank you very much for your assistance, the both of you

A Very Large Bear

@Javelin Any time :)

David Coffron

Anyone else notice that this users name can be broken down into three words in his/her original posting?

Javelin

2:26 PM

i think i came here initially for just how to even word the title...i was going to go with "Star Spawn feature combination Part 2"

David Coffron

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Q: Would love some feedback and answers; Physically blind pc but uses 3rd eye and chakras to see the environment

I'm a total noob to the world of D&D and just got into a party. The party I'm with is full of all very brash and heavy offensive PCs. I was wondering would there be a character I could create who offsets that? I was inspired by Toph Beifong in Avatar: The Last Airbender in how she was physical...

new-players

Rubiksmoose

@Javelin No problem. If you ever want to run the wording of a question by people before posting it mainsite (or asking if the question is even ok to ask) you can always post to Role-playing Games Meta or ask here though the answer you get here will vary greatly depending on how active chat is and Role-playing Games Meta is the best way to get it in front of many experience eyes.

David Coffron

@Javelin usually we make titles that are the easiest to identify. Try "How does damage transfer from a Star Spawn Hulk's ability?" since that is the question you're asking

Rubiksmoose

@Javelin Honestly, I think your first title could be tweaked to be a bit clearer. It is always best if the content of the question can be gleaned from reading the title.

Javelin

@Rubiksmoose you arent wrong there.

SPavel

2:28 PM

𝕴 𝖜𝖔𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖎𝖋 𝕾𝕰 𝖈𝖍𝖆𝖙 𝖘𝖚𝖕𝖕𝖔𝖗𝖙𝖘 𝕱𝖗𝖆𝖐𝖙𝖚𝖗

Javelin

My eyes...

A Very Large Bear

@SPavel Wowza

Rubiksmoose

@Javelin Though admittedly questions about interactions between different features can often get very wordy when translating into titles.

Sir Cinnamon

🤔

SPavel

@Javelin Clearly you are not teutonic enough for my fraktur

Javelin

2:29 PM

Thank you, @DavidCoffron

Rubiksmoose

but @DavidCoffron I think is right about the suggestion and the edit they just made to your original one.

A Very Large Bear

@SPavel Clearly not.

Javelin

@SPavel I could read it, but I wouldnt want to.

Rubiksmoose

@Javelin Who possibly could want to? lol

doppelgreener

@DavidCoffron it's fairly common for brand new users to pick a username that also corresponds to their very first question's subject, because they're filling out both fields side by side on the ask question page.

SPavel

2:33 PM

@Rubiksmoose Germans, medieval monks

Javelin

I have asked my second question and given the most appropriate title I could muster

A Very Large Bear

@Javelin Title looks good to me!

Javelin

and with that my questions are satisfactorily answered. for now. i will recommence finishing that book

its magnificent by the way, i have an entirely fresh perspective on elves now

Rubiksmoose

@Javelin Title is great.

Derpy

@SPavel should I write a grease monkey script so that every message I post looks like that?

SPavel

2:43 PM

@Derpy Yes

Also make sure to auto-generate the long s

David Coffron

@SPavel wait... all im seeing are x'd boxes so all the replies are confusing me.

SPavel

@DavidCoffron Time to upgrade your Internet Explorer 6.0

David Coffron

@SPavel #TheMobileLife

SPavel

@DavidCoffron Looks fine on Android's Chrome

Are you by any chance a dirty fruit-based peasant?

David Coffron

@SPavel I am on androids chrome

SPavel

2:53 PM

Time to upgrade then

David Coffron

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doppelgreener

Just came across these tweets out of my feed related to earlier:

Nerdiness has been totally co-opted by capitalism. A nerd used to mean studying something. There were science nerds, math nerds, etc. Today it means buying certain products from the biggest corporations in America. There are Nintendo nerds, Marvel nerds, Star Wars nerds, etc.

Tweeted by existentialcoms on June 7, 2018 at 12:54 AM

People say that nerdiness has gone mainstream, but this is a mistake. It was never nerdy to buy anything, unless it was a chemistry set or a telescope. The very concept of nerdiness has been transformed drastically into something that can go mainstream in the commercial sense.

Tweeted by existentialcoms on June 7, 2018 at 12:54 AM in reply to existentialcoms

People are now encouraged to be "nerds" by dressing up as their favorite corporate mascots, or decorating their house in the theme of billion dollar intellectual property. Nerdiness is now defining yourself not by your knowledge, but by your habits as a consumer.

Tweeted by existentialcoms on June 7, 2018 at 12:55 AM in reply to existentialcoms

(done)

goodguy5

poking the bear, huh?

Rubiksmoose

What about poking @AVeryLargeBear?

Yuuki

How far back are we reaching to define "nerdiness"? Because my understanding is that it's always been about both knowledge and consumer habits.

Unless you're talking about defining "nerd" vs. "geek". In which case, I'll just drop it because I don't feel like talking about the evolution of language.

doppelgreener

3:04 PM

I wasn't conscious there was a bear to poke.

goodguy5

I'm, Frankly, shocked

Rubiksmoose

"The first documented appearance of the word nerd is as the name of a creature in Dr. Seuss's book If I Ran the Zoo (1950), in which the narrator Gerald McGrew claims that he would collect "a Nerkle, a Nerd, and a Seersucker too" for his imaginary zoo.[3][5][6]..."

"... The slang meaning of the term dates to the next year, 1951, when Newsweek magazine reported on its popular use as a synonym for drip or square in Detroit, Michigan.[7] By the early 1960s, usage of the term had spread throughout the United States, and even as far as Scotland.[8][9] At some point, the word took on connotations of bookishness and social ineptitude."

doppelgreener

Bookishness is the one I grew up with

Rubiksmoose

That is a very surprising history lol

Mike Q

We were nerds before it was mainstream. We're nerd hipsters. Before being a hipster was also mainstream.

Rubiksmoose

3:08 PM

@MikeQ Nipsters

A Very Large Bear

@Rubiksmoose I think that's something else

Yuuki

@doppelgreener Also, today there are Marvel nerds? There have been Marvel nerds for quite some time. The Marvel brand was created in 1961.

goodguy5

nerpsters

and beside the fact that Marvel is the least nerdy thing in pop culture right now

Iron Man and Thor are basically "Bros, the Superheroes"

A Very Large Bear

@goodguy5 Yeah, at this rate baseball will be the new nerdy thing

goodguy5

buncha morons

Rubiksmoose

3:12 PM

To be fair, definition quibbles aside, I'm still generally in the same camp as BESW on this one:

4 hours ago, by BESW

Yeah, I'm not comfortable with the "nerd" group label, or really the idea that one of my hobbies automatically makes me part of any subculture.

Mike Q

The word "nerd" has been diluted to the point where it doesn't mean much

goodguy5

that's the thing though...

Rubiksmoose

Not that I'm insulted or anything by the term really. I just don't think it really has much of a meaning anymore that I can identify with.

Mike Q

Like "RPG elements" in a video game. Too nonspecific to be insulting.

goodguy5

EVERYTHING we do puts us in a subculture

2

this little chat room? A subculture

Black lives matter protesters? subculture

Yuuki

3:13 PM

@goodguy5 Unless you shrink down to microscopic levels and jump into a petri dish. Then you're just putting yourself into a culture.

goodguy5

ha! ^

Rubiksmoose

I mean yeah. I'm not here to argue or to pretend that I have philosophized about this topic further than what I have just posted.

GreySage

@Yuuki At what point does a subculture become a culture?

Yuuki

@GreySage When you reach ground-level, I guess.

Mike Q

@GreySage Once one of its settlers founds a city

Yuuki

3:15 PM

Just be aware that you don't go so far as the second story, then you're a superculture.

Not to be confused with a guy that offers to either buy you lunch or take you to the opera. That's "soup or culture".

Rubiksmoose

@GreySage When it sails off to sea in a self contained submersible vehicle?

Yuuki

@Rubiksmoose No, that's how a culture becomes a subculture.

That's a one-way process, it's not reflexive.

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki oops. Somehow I read that backwards.

Yuuki

Also, don't confuse it with an attempt to kill all major pop singers that were part of a duo in late '60s only to make a resurgence as a solo artist in the late '90s. That's "cull Cher".

Helwar

3:32 PM

I had a sudden surge of work and couldn't post this until now but... my question is out there now :P

Derpy

@Yuuki almost as meaningful as trying to determine what brony was supposed to mean.

Yuuki

I always thought it was a diminutive form of a specific landed title or "barony".

Javelin

Question: Mordenkainens Tome of Foes contains an entry for Vampiric Mist. Has it ever existed before 5e?

goodguy5

@Javelin I think so. or at least in pathfinder

Mike Q

@Helwar Regarding your puzzle problem - Was there a penalty? Or were the players just upset because they spent so much time guessing?

Helwar

3:43 PM

@MikeQ No penalty, there isn't anything more than treasure there

goodguy5

@Javelin it's from ad&d 2e

Javelin

@goodguy5 I swear I've seen it somewhere before but I can't remember for the life of me, and I didn't find it in any of the 3.5e monster manuals after a brief skim.

Helwar

it was totally an optional thing

Javelin

I have no idea how I would have seen it from 2e...

goodguy5

@Javelin like I said, also in Pathfinder

other than that, idk

Javelin

3:45 PM

I guess thats the most likely possibility, though I also do not really dabble in pathfinder. I might have come across it because of my friend who is.

Mike Q

@Helwar It's a common problem I see when DMs try to get artsy with their puzzle design. Give the players an abstract clue, expect the players to figure it out, and the players don't. It happens a lot.

Javelin

And with that, all that is left is yugoloths, anything in the appendices, and then re-reading the first few chapters to get what i missed the first time.

Helwar

Yeah I figured that it was possible they didn't get it, but not that they would be s upset about not being able to solve it :S

Mike Q

Basically, if the only solution is for the players to guess what the DM was thinking, then the puzzle is likely to be seen as unfair

Spending time at Puzzling.SE has helped me a lot in making solvable puzzles in my games

And it's why I cringe when I look at "100 awesome puzzles to put in your DND games!!!!1" and they're all varieties of Guess-What-The-DM-Was-Thinking-Or-Else-Rocks-Fall-And-Everyone-Dies

Helwar

humm

Mike Q

3:48 PM

It's a subset of the classic DM problem: I expected the players to do X because it was the right thing to do, but they did Y instead

Helwar

I try to avoid moon-logic as far as I can

@MikeQ Heh, I'm used to players making Z instead so... I should've seen this coming? I dunno, I just felt like I had given them progressive clues to what to do and it was enough

Yuuki

@MikeQ #1 Awesome Puzzle: "What has it got in its pocketses?"

Helwar

AFAIK not every puzzle needs to have many ways to be solved...

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki "It cheatsss it cheatsss us!

Helwar

@Rubiksmoose did you take out the first part of the question? why? o_O

NautArch

3:52 PM

@Helwar But because of the 'rules', they may. AKA, if your players come up with a clever solution that wasn't yorus...let it work. But i your case, I wouldn't call the death of creatures they killed enemies. An enemy is something specific.

Rubiksmoose

@Helwar I did not. That was TJL who said "Removed question that is only begging for opinions." in thier edit description. I just cleaned up some things.

Helwar

@NautArch Yeah that's cool. Like... they solved a whole combat situation fiting everyone inside the bag of holding and the monk teleporting via shadows to the other side of the combat area once. Kudos to them!

@Rubiksmoose Oh geat. I just wanted to know why. Now that I know I'm ok with the change :)

Rubiksmoose

@Helwar Glad I could clear things up :) For future reference, if you click on the edit time stamp at the bottom of a question or answer, you can look through to see who changed what and when. In this case the edit history for your question is here

Helwar

What did you clean up though? I don't see the differences :P

Mike Q

Fortunately, puzzle design is one of those places where videogame convention and tabletop convention tend to be in sync. It may be helpful to read articles / watch videos on good vs. bad puzzle design in games.

Yuuki

3:56 PM

@Helwar I don't think you can fit an entire party in a bag of holding, can you?

Rubiksmoose

@Helwar Cleaned up a couple of minor spelling errors, a case of using CAPS for emphasis (generally discouraged since we have other neater ways to emphasize other that yelling like bold or italics)

Javelin

@Helwar I feel like your question is still hard to answer. "How could I have presented this in a better way" is a little open, to me.

Yuuki

> This bag has an interior space considerably larger than its outside dimensions, roughly 2 feet in diameter at the mouth and 4 feet deep. The bag can hold up to 500 pounds, not exceeding a volume of 64 cubic feet.

Javelin

But time will tell.

NautArch

@Helwar errr...how'd they fit everyone into a bag of holdign? exactly @Yuuki

GreySage

3:57 PM

@NautArch shhh, if you don't point it out it will work

Yuuki

Ignoring depth, you still have to fit the 2-foot diameter to get into the bag.

NautArch

@GreySage sort of like flying is falling without hitting the ground?

Yuuki

Plus, unless your entire party is gnome wizards, I think that would be 500+ pounds.

Helwar

@NautArch I don't know. At the moment it made sense. later I started thinking about it and thought that maybe the bag couldn't open THAT much as to fit a humanoid into it... But never thought of the actual capacity of it

they just told me their idea and I went with it without thinking it very much...

Yuuki

The average 155 lb. human is roughly 2.5 cubic feet in volume. So you should be able to fit ~4-5 people by volume alone, but you wouldn't be able to fit that weight.

Rubiksmoose

3:59 PM

@Helwar Many times, that is for the best. You can always clean up rulings later. I find it much better to keep the game moving forward especially if the ideas are fun.

Yuuki

Assuming I'm reading this conversion site correctly.

NautArch

@Helwar One of those times where it's a table rule at the time with an okay, and thena followup with "yeah, that's not going to work again...also, what doy ou currently have in your bag ofholding? time to clean it up and make sure it all fits"

Yuuki

Yeah, it already happened so you shouldn't retroactively say "well, turns out that doesn't work so we're going back in time and you have to try again". Let it fly this time around but let them know right away that it won't work again.

Helwar

It's good to know I can stop them doing that too often though :) Thanks for the input

Yuuki

Very important, do not wait until the next time they try to do it again before telling them it doesn't work.

It would be best to tell them at the beginning of the next session.

Helwar

4:01 PM

Yup, at the start of our sessions I always make time to discuss rulings and whatever was "left for later" last time

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki That is indeed very key.

Helwar

I need to leave now, I'll be back later! thanks guys!

Yuuki

Excuse me, I need to go replace my eyes.

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki Is...that water?

Yuuki

@Rubiksmoose Yes, that person's hand is underwater.

Rubiksmoose

4:07 PM

That is incredible

SPavel

@Yuuki Perfect, time to bottle it and sell it for $2 a bottle

Rubiksmoose

@SPavel "Hand-bottled water"

Maximillian

Hand-water

Yuuki

Also, makes me think of this gif I posted in another room awhile back.

in The Bridge, Feb 22 at 6:22, by Yuuki

For your first loop through this gif, try keeping your attention in the bottom half and avoid looking at the top.

GreySage

@Yuuki That is very clear, very still water

Mike Q

4:11 PM

How can it be clear if it is so hard to see

Rubiksmoose

@MikeQ It is very clearly hard to see. Anybody could see that.

Mike Q

too clear, therefore unclear, VTC

Rubiksmoose

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Q: What are the basic limitations for using a Reaction to move? Does movement used on your Turn matter?

Please help my players and myself who are having trouble understanding what movement is allowed when using Reactions to move during and after each Turn in a Round. In the player's handbook in "Actions in Combat" it says under the heading "Ready","(...)you choose to move up to your speed in respo...

dnd-5e movement actions readied-action reactions

I fell like this needs a much more thorough answer than it currently has.

Piomicron

Anyone know if there's a spell that can turn an awakened animal into a humanoid version of that animal? Such as a goat?

Mike Q

@Piomicron What do you mean by "humanoid version"

Piomicron

4:18 PM

@MikeQ I mean, like an anthropomorphic animal. A bipedal one with hands and feet.

Rubiksmoose

@Piomicron Wait, do you mean turn an awakened goat into a satyr for example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyr

Piomicron

Nah, I mean more like Asgore from Undertale

Mike Q

Mind if I ask about the context here, and what you're trying to accomplish? If you're the DM then you can just create a custom creature that fits a certain look.

Rubiksmoose

@Piomicron Right so same idea.

@Piomicron yeah the context is really important here.

Piomicron

I'm looking at it from a player perspective. Is there some magic a player can do to give an awakened giant goat the ability to hold weapons and stand upright?

Rubiksmoose

4:26 PM

@Piomicron You should post this as a question on the mainsite.

I think as long as you explain clearly what you want it should be fine.

Mike Q

Cast Wish or bribe the DM with snacks

Yuuki

@Piomicron Yeah, it's called "roll a minotaur".

(just kidding)

Rubiksmoose

For example, does it have to still look like a goat in any way or can it be a completely transformed animal that can stand on two legs and wield a weapon?

Yuuki

> wish for "goat that can stand upright and hold weapons"
> LeBron James appears in a poof of magic

Piomicron

@Rubiksmoose It still has to be furry and white with horns, and not a minotaur

kviiri

4:29 PM

I don't think such a spell exists in 5e but you can always homebrew it in

Mike Q

@Piomicron That is really specific.

Rubiksmoose

@Piomicron Besides wish and a very nice DM I don't think there is anything in the books that do nearly what you want. True Polymorph could get you another type of creature that could probably stand on two legs and hold a weapon but I'm not sure if there is a creature meeting your description.

Also, True polymorph would not need an awakened creature.

@Piomicron Is there any other creatures it cannot be? Because minotaurs are furry and can be white and they have horns. What is the issue there? I guess I don't full understand your requirements here.

@MikeQ honestly this is best used in combination wish + bribe.

GreySage

4:56 PM

Eaglet is standing alone in the nest, with bands/tags on its feet. Camera is centered again

3

Rubiksmoose

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Q: GM ignores RAW to the point of intervention

To preface this I enjoy playing as much as I enjoy GMing, but often times, when I play it is with more new GMs so when it shifts to my turn to GM it is often times permanent as I'm just the most experience. However this is not the case for one group I have been in and out of the last few years. ...

dnd-5e dungeons-and-dragons house-rules problem-gm gmpc

Hooo boy this is a lot to unpack.

Mike Q

There's a lot going on. Not even sure if it's a problem DM or a problem player. Both?

Rubiksmoose

@MikeQ Sounds like both.

Mike Q

5:14 PM

The last 3 sentences are probably the most important

> I have extreme displeasure for him, but I can't kick him out of the group, without kicking out two other members. His mother doesn't have any control over him. What should I do to prevent more arguments in the future?

It seems like something is missing here. The mother has no control over the kid, and the kid is consistently making everyone miserable... yet it's written like asker is legally obligated to be DM for these people

Rubiksmoose

@MikeQ "I'm the ~~captain~~ DM now."

GreySage

@MikeQ Yeah, it seems like the biggest problem is when Bob is the DM, but Bob isn't the DM now

Mike Q

I'm curious if this can be resolved with a simple reminder that he can refuse to DM for Bob or play in Bob's games

David Coffron

@MikeQ but he doesn't want to miss out on the rest of the friend group. (That's why he keeps coming back, no?)

Rubiksmoose

@GreySage In all honesty, despite the fact that I woud probably so be out of that table (not my style at all, friends aside) Bob has a right to adjudicate the way he wants. But obviously there should have been a discussion/give-and-take regarding rules and not just dictator Bob.

David Coffron

5:17 PM

@GreySage hmm... suspicious

Mike Q

@Rubiksmoose The GM has the right to rule however they want. And the players have the right to leave.

Rubiksmoose

@MikeQ Exactly right (and it seems they exercised this right but somehow Bob ended back in the group as a player)

David Coffron

@Rubiksmoose before I discovered roll20 I found myself playing with people I didn't like very much just bc I felt like I had to to have a group

Rubiksmoose

@DavidCoffron Yeah I think that is an unfortunate situation that many people find themselves in. I don't honestly know what I would do, but I am extremely lucky that I don't have to make that decision right now.

It might also help to know the approximate age group we are dealing with here. I'm assuming the reference to a mom in this situation means that we may not be dealing with adults, but that could be a factor in how this situation is viewed/resolved. Can you give us some sort of idea of the ages of the DM(s)/players? — Rubiksmoose 2 mins ago

Am I crazy here in wondering this?

Mike Q

@Rubiksmoose Good question, I assumed the kid was a teenager and doesn't drive himself to/from games

David Coffron

5:24 PM

@Rubiksmoose nah. Ur good.

0

Q: Splash damage & hex

Will a hexed creature that is affected by splash damage (green-flame sword) take hex damage as well??

dungeons-and-dragons

What even is this question?

Mike Q

@DavidCoffron I think it's asking about 5e, if a creature is affected by Hex, and they receive damage from another source without being directly attacked, then do they take the extra damage from Hex as well.

David Coffron

@MikeQ ohhhhh. Green flame blade. I was so confused

NautArch

@MikeQ that was my take. I have hex up on Creature B. I acttack creature A with greenflame, which then extends damage to crature B. Does creature B take the additional Hex damage.

Mike Q

Unfortunately there is a fatwa against implying that a question is 5e when it doesn't have the tag, so I haven't bothered to comment on it or suggest an edit

GreySage

@DavidCoffron I think the question is pretty clear, but until it has the right edition tag there isn't anything we can do

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A: Is it ok to adopt a kitten if you have a murderous cat?

The fact that Old Cat is friendly with the Schitzu means that there's good hope that he will tolerate the Kitten. Start by bringing things that smell like the kitten into the old cat's space, like towels and bedding. Later, when the kitten is old enough to be separated from the mother/family, b...

The comments on this answer are pretty amazing, and are directly comparable to new DnD players

Mike Q

5:46 PM

@GreySage Because the experienced gamers will teach the newbies how to be efficient murderhobos?

GreySage

@MikeQ Exactly

Yuuki

So apparently DC is trying to move into making movies about villains.

To try to distinguish themselves from Marvel, I guess.

NautArch

@Yuuki ?

Yuuki

> This week saw two major developments on the dark side of DC. The first was the news of a Joker solo movie starring Jared Leto, who would reprise his role from Suicide Squad (2016). This news comes after the already revealed Joker movie, directed by Todd Phillips and produced by Martin Scorsese, which will explore the character’s origin outside of the continuity the shared universe of films Warner Bros. has been building since Man of Steel (2013).

> Joker
> character's origin

pls

pls no

Mike Q

At this point I'm too skeptical to believe any news about DC's movie projects, until the movie is literally in theaters

GreySage

5:54 PM

@MikeQ Even then, it probably won't be what was advertized

Yuuki

Okay, so apparently the Joker origin movie won't be part of the DC shared movie universe.

Still dumb, imo.

NautArch

@Yuuki that alone is weird

just when I thought DC may have been in the process of righting their ship

Yuuki

@NautArch Yeah, I feel like it'd be weird to watch two hours of a guy lying on a bed, catatonic.

NautArch

@Yuuki it's an art piece

Yuuki

@NautArch There's only one art film I'm planning on watching in the near future and that is the Shia Labeouf biopic starring Lucas Hedges as Shia and Shia Labeouf as his father.

NautArch

6:00 PM

@Yuuki TIL. And also that he is in a movie about borg-mcenroe (no, not that borg.)

Yuuki

@NautArch I do also love me a good tennis movie.

NautArch

although that'd be a funny movie. ASSIMILATE (mcenroe throws raquet)

@Yuuki it's no beach volleyball movie, tho (anyone here remember Side Out?)

doppelgreener

Imo a good way to handle a Joker origin story is to release several completely different Joker origin stories.

NautArch

@doppelgreener that would be awesome. Or have it set up with him telilng his origin story and have it keep rewinding and replaying differently

what happened to the Bob/Bob's mom question?

GreySage

@NautArch OP deleted it

NautArch

6:15 PM

@GreySage well okay then

GreySage

link for the necromancers among us

NautArch

was just going to point them to interpersonal.se :P right @doppelgreener?

doppelgreener

[groan]

That whole topic is such a hassle.

This isn't even the first time someone's been shocked and offended that we might dare remove one of these comments.

I'll stick to this though:

> When someone's asking about an interpersonal situation, and it's occurring in the vicinity of an RPG, it's on topic here and we're well equipped to answer it. If it's an interpersonal situation not occurring in the vicinity of an RPG, we'll send it over to IPS.SE to take care of.

Yuuki

My issue with a Joker origin story is that origin stories are jumping off points for character arcs. And Joker doesn't have a character arc and he shouldn't. He is quite literally defined by his opposition to Batman and he's not supposed to grow apart from Batman.

@doppelgreener Release different origin stories depending on the geographical region.

doppelgreener

@Yuuki Oh man. It'll be like The Dress all over again. I like it.

Yuuki

6:27 PM

Maybe they can do it. The DC people are certainly ambitious. I was actually on board with their decision to write Pa Kent the way they did in Man of Steel.

NautArch

@doppelgreener 100% percent

Yuuki

They had good, ambitious ideas that were just executed really poorly.

SPavel

I'd watch a Batman Beyond type deal except instead it's the Joker

Hamill voices old-Joker who attempts to guide new-Joker on the path to Jokertude

They also basically hate each other and try to kill each other all the time because Chaotic Evil

Yuuki

Yeah, but then we end up with Jared "I mailed used condoms to my co-stars" Leto Joker.

Rubiksmoose

@GreySage That is sad. Wonder why they deleted it?

SPavel

6:35 PM

@Yuuki DC should stick to animation

Yuuki

I'm mostly ambivalent to method acting and that right there is everything I hate about method acting.

@SPavel That upcoming Spider-Verse movie though...

SPavel

@Yuuki There's method acting, and then there's method acting as the Joker, a murderous psychopath

Method acting as Aragorn or something makes you look like a tool, method acting as the Joker gets you put on lists

GreySage

@SPavel And then there is forgetting that method acting is still just acting and you really have no excuse for being an abusive jerk.

Yuuki

The thing is that these people tend to forget that method acting is supposed to take you into the mind of the character you're portraying.

Not your co-workers.

It should be a wholly solitary effort.

And also, method acting as the Joker still shouldn't result in sending used condoms to your co-stars.

Mike Q

@Yuuki Considering how little of a role he had in Suicide Squad, I don't see why any of that was necessary

Yuuki

6:44 PM

It's possible that they had more footage but cut it down in editing.

Also, I think you mean "Academy Award winner Suicide Squad".

Mike Q

You spelled "Razzie" wrong

Yuuki

> The film [Suicide Squad] was nominated for and won multiple awards across various categories, including an Academy Award for Best Makeup and Hairstyling at the 89th Academy Awards

Mike Q

Bah, I'm sure it just got nominated because of Will Smith's excellent portrayal of Will Smith

Yuuki

I guess DC can always lord that over Marvel, they got an Oscar first.

David Coffron

6:59 PM

@doppelgreener pretty sure one of you diamond elitists removed one of my comments recently. I am irate! (kidding)

Mike Q

@DavidCoffron doppel needs to consume comments on a regular basis, in order to maintain their mod powers

doppelgreener

@DavidCoffron [stares directly at David and deletes some more]

:D

(not really either, I'm just relaxing. :P)

OneCritWonder

Lovely little gent on Twitter claiming that if you don't actually play in an RPG game then you're not part of the community youre only a 'fan' or 'consumer'.

What a silly and unnecessary line to draw in the sand.

David Coffron

@doppelgreener the mental image I have is you in a cubicle staring at me across the aisle repeatedly pressing the big red delete button on your 80s desktop PC keyboard without looking at the screen or blinking

@OneCritWonder unnecessary divisiveness is unnecessary (and inordinately common these days). Plus some of my good friends love watching RPGs online (such as critical role) and they know more about the game then some people on my actual campaigns

OneCritWonder

Haha.

doppelgreener

7:08 PM

@DavidCoffron perfect 😂

Channeling the Dwight

Yuuki

@DavidCoffron See: earlier discussion on "nerds".

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener Relaxing?! unacceptable! You get back out there and earn that diamond! XD

David Coffron

@Rubiksmoose that's what i tell my soon to be fiancee and she always gets angry for some reason

Rubiksmoose

@DavidCoffron hahahaha!

@doppelgreener Channel Dwightvinity.

OneCritWonder

Oh hey, I got a reply for Matt Colleville on the Twitters ... I'm super special now right?

David Coffron

7:17 PM

How to do strike through markup?

Rubiksmoose

Can lovely citizens kindly flag this answer comment? rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/124102/…

@DavidCoffron --- stuff --- (no spaces)

Yuuki

@Rubiksmoose ---Adviceunclear---(nospaces)

David Coffron

@Rubiksmoose Oath of the Assistant ~~to the~~ Manager?

Mike Q

@Rubiksmoose I'd give it a few hours, maybe the user hasn't seen it yet... Give them time to write it up as an answer

Rubiksmoose

@MikeQ Grrrr... I mean yeah, but in my experience having answers in the comments tends to immediately bring more of them. But I guess the Q isn't that hot right now that it would be a major issue.

@DavidCoffron XD

OneCritWonder

7:21 PM

Also, hello everyone

Happy Friday and the like.

Rubiksmoose

Happy Friday indeed!

GreySage

Happy lunchtime!

David Coffron

7:33 PM

@GreySage I don't have money for lunch til tomorrow so I am going dinner only today...

@OneCritWonder careful throwing around the everyone word like that. Pinging 7 billion people can cause problems to ---Borg---- stack servers

Mike Q

@everyone

@*

@.*

One of those will work, I'm sure

GreySage

@earth.everyone

nope

David Coffron

7:52 PM

@MikeQ you pinged this poor user

Mike Q

@DavidCoffron They are not poor. They are wealthy in pings

Rubiksmoose

PingCoin

David Coffron

@Rubiksmoose you just gave me flashbacks to the bitconnect guy

Bit connect guy but screaming BITCONNECT

►

Rubiksmoose

8:10 PM

@DavidCoffron Woooow. I'm glad you provided context lol

Yuuki

One thing I find interesting about WorldBuilding.SE is that they all seem to be okay with the asker coming in and disqualifying answers ex post facto.

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki What do you mean exactly?

Yuuki

@Rubiksmoose Hmm, actually this question probably doesn’t fit but something I’ve seen on a few occasions in WorldBuilding is an asker setting up a scenario and then contradicting themselves later when commenting on answers. Or introducing a new rule that disqualifies an answer but couldn’t be extrapolated from the original question.

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki Ah ok. There certainly was a hint of that in this one.

GreySage

I feel like this is opinion-based, but it could go either way

SPavel

8:26 PM

Playing their new saving throw inducing single: Mind Blast of Death. #dnd #rpg #tabletop

Tweeted by Grand_DM on June 7, 2018 at 7:21 PM

Rubiksmoose

@GreySage I don't see anything opinion-based about it. What makes you think that?

Ok the last sentence wording is slightly phrased in that way.

I tweaked it so that it is not asking for opinions.

GreySage

9:05 PM

@Rubiksmoose Hellsaint and I both put answers up. Still feels a little off. shrug

trogdor

9:59 PM

@doppelgreener oh you changed avatars again, :)

doppelgreener

i did :D

BESW

> 🎵 What's use of being.... green?

trogdor

lol

I did really like the Peridot one but this one is still really cool too

BESW

@goodguy5 You're not independently wrong, but that's a different definition of "subculture" which expands the concept into meaninglessness for the purpose of the conversation.

There's a commonly accepted definition of "subculture" as a coherent, enduring community-within-a-community that has its own shared norms and principles. (And while interesting, the history of the term "nerd" isn't really rel🐘 to my concerns about certain consistent qualities of nerd culture over the last few decades which are really only getting spotlighted recently.)

@Helwar I think it's useful to begin RPG puzzle design with a clear statement of intent about what the purpose of the puzzle is at the table: what effect do you want it to have on the players?

Piomicron

10:33 PM

@Rubiksmoose My point is, they must remain goats. I mean, you could probably reskin a minotaur, but I'd prefer it if it was RAW.

BESW

The problem with re-skinning a minotaur is that first, somebody's got to skin a minotaur.

BESW

11:18 PM

Every time I pick up a new RPG from @EvilHatOfficial, I see a new way to hack Fate into something even cooler. And it's not like it's adding whole 200pg things; sometimes it's just a little rule tweak that makes things that much more awesome. Loving #TachyonSquadron b/c of this

Tweeted by LibrariaNPC on June 8, 2018 at 8:19 PM

ACuriousMind

::mutters about still not getting FATE to work consistently::

BESW

What're you struggling with?

ACuriousMind

@BESW The Fate point economy. I've never managed to play a game where people use them as freely and often as they seem intended to

And in the games where they get used frequently, it often turns into this metagamey discussion of whether a +2/reroll is really worth it right now

BESW

Ah, yeah, that's a bit of a struggle for me too sometimes.

What sorts of games have you played?

Dresden Files, Shadow of the Century, Masters of Umdaar, Atomic Robo?

ACuriousMind

@BESW That may be the issue - mostly unmodified Fate in custom worlds: Survivors after a zombie apocalypse. Adventurers in a Wild West world with demonic influences. And the German Malmsturm variant.

BESW

11:27 PM

Ahah.

Group-defined settings can be GREAT, but it's also a potential gap step.

Creating our own settings can accidentally lead to situations where the stakes are too high or too low or not urgent enough, or just not clearly shared by everybody because of a communication problem.

I recommend trying one of Evil Hat's free "Worlds of Adventure" modules. There are a LOT of them so you should be able to find one that your group's excited about.

ACuriousMind

@BESW Yeah, I think the stakes and their urgency are the main problem.

BESW

Like, just looking at what you've already played, there's Oregon Trail with vampires and underfunded zombie-fighting emergency responders.

Personally my favorite is dungeon delving in an 80s pulp fantasy cartoon show.

ACuriousMind

But, I mean, the sessions are not bad. But I feel they are good despite the system, not because of it, but I have a hard time of convincing the others of it. E.g. in one group, we're five players, but three newcomers, and they think it would be intimidating to switch systems.

Yannick MG

I wonder how stack decides to give you a hint that your question might be suggestive.

ACuriousMind

@YannickMG I think it mostly looks for specific words/patterns in the question title

Yannick MG

11:37 PM

@ACuriousMind That sounds likely yeah. This would also be a good use case for machine learning.

I'm trying to make my question concise without being too wordy, and I'm finding it hard to compromise. Do you prefer "Can using a readied move when visiting the ethereal plane using the Blink spell allow you to traverse walls?" or "Can you traverse walls using Blink?" ?

I guess the point of the title is to be eye-catching while the description should be concise?

ACuriousMind

I think that's a style question you have to decide for yourself

Mike Q

@YannickMG Generally, the description has all the details, and the title is a summary

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