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BESW
BESW
12:11 AM
It all fits! As far as kits go, I feel ready for my first #fate game on Sep30. What do you think, @EvilHatOfficial… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/910635838236712962
Tweeted by RyanBlakeHall on September 20, 2017 at 10:44 PM
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
hey there @KorvinStarmast
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
@doppelgreener We may have an account merge needed here. rpg.stackexchange.com/q/107120/22566
Hi, Shal, how are you? You running for mod at Aviation?
I'd vote for ya. :)
 
BESW
BESW
Overheard on the radio, today in The Hazards of Not Really Listening:
"...your own real-life wolverine! It's completely safe and legal in 47 states. Call..."
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
I am not -- don't really see my self as having quite enough Stackizenry under my belt yet for it re: running for mod @ Aviation
and I'm doing alright @KorvinStarmast
I take it things are drying out and returning to normal for you?
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
Glad to hear. Our regular group is slowly dissolving due to RL stuff again. Looks like we may start playing sword coast legends.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
12:25 AM
ah
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
Hurricane wise, all normal, but a few of my work mates have people in San patricio county who are still in the hurt locker.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
ah
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
Trees hiting houses, roofs very damaged. I feel very fortunate.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
bad news is that the game for tonight was a wave-off because the DM's interwebs died on him
good news is it looks like I will be getting a meatspace group once again
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
Arrgggh! Our last DM loss was due to wife having surgery, so he's out as DM for two months.
My brother's been valiantly hanging in with his campaign, but the job changes of two party members means "same night as usual" is more or less dead.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
12:28 AM
let me know how Sword Coast Legends turns out to be btw
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
Ohh, Meat Space group. Goodness.
When it first came out, I had a blast playing it up until the sewers of Luskin, and then we seemed to not be able to find the end of that quest. And then people stopped showing up. So, I'll be starting over with my nephew.
Once I got used to the GUI, I liked it.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
it sounds like it hews pretty close to the typical themepark MMO formula though, no?
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
yes, I think so. Our DM felt it was a lot like NWN or Baldur's Gate in approach ...
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
ah, I was more asking from a multiplayer point of view
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
Somewhere, I have a disc of NWN that I never played. I think I need to load that and play it some day. My son played it for a while and then discovered WoW. that was that.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
12:31 AM
I am actually playing NWN as we speak haha
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
The plot line is pretty well laid out, and we can play with 1-4 (5?) people at a time.
been over a year.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
however, I'm on a (quiet) multiplayer server
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
Cool. My brother in law, the cop, had a case where (I kid you not) two people met in the on line version of NWN and they then met IRL. And then there was a homicide. Yoiks. (The eventually found the perp. About a decade ago. In Florida).
I need to clean out all of the old PC games I never played/finished, and either donate/dump a few, or load and play them. More likely the former.
My son just loaded Diablo I last month, from an old disc I had. ON his new rig. He loves it.
Hmmm, momma summons me, so I bid you good night.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
12:51 AM
@KorvinStarmast thanks!
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
1:31 AM
hey there @DForck42
 
 
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KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
2:36 AM
@doppelgreener I hope it all worked out for our new user, I think there's a good question in there once all of the details get fixed.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
3:07 AM
hey there @nitsua60
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@Shalvenay Hiya. How's the midwest these days?
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
alright
 
 
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eimyr
eimyr
9:42 AM
@Yuuki Hey, I want to GM! Now go find me 12 people to play with.
 
 
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trogdor
trogdor
10:46 AM
@eimyr lol
 
 
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DForck42
DForck42
12:59 PM
@Shalvenay morning. sorry, accidentally left chat open all night
 
BESW
BESW
1:18 PM
That's not something I can identify with at all. Nosirree.
 
DForck42
DForck42
lol
how goes it?
 
NautArch
NautArch
allo allo
 
godskook
godskook
@BESW I mean...I don't do it on accident.
 
NautArch
NautArch
we had a pretty epic end to a short campaign last night. Final Big Boss warlock summoned Bophomet (homebrew, i guess) along with several other demons.
 
DForck42
DForck42
1:36 PM
@NautArch neat! what level was the party?
 
NautArch
NautArch
@DForck42 ranged from 14/15 ish
 
DForck42
DForck42
@NautArch cool
 
NautArch
NautArch
highlight for me was when Baphomet fell prone due to a fumble after he had already moved.
no movement left to stand up, so next turn I cast Bigby and grappled him. Keeping him pinned and prone to the floor.
 
DForck42
DForck42
1:49 PM
@NautArch nice
 
NautArch
NautArch
Worked out well for a few rounds until we bloodied him and triggered a shift to some other plane that we had to solve a puzzle to get out of. Took us longer because we thought solving the puzzle was going to do something bad.
that plane shift ended any ongoing magical effects.
 
DForck42
DForck42
@NautArch was this 4e? or did your dm just port over the bloodied mechanic?
 
NautArch
NautArch
@DForck42 5e. Homebrew monster.
didn't know it was bloodied that triggered it until after the fight
still am unsure as to where we went. Only thing I know is that it wasn't Ethereal plane because eldritch blast didn't work.
 
DForck42
DForck42
@NautArch interesting
 
NautArch
NautArch
it was a super fun fight. He built a 3d battle mat for it.
 
DForck42
DForck42
2:06 PM
@NautArch oooh, get any pics of it?
 
NautArch
NautArch
@DForck42 yes, yes i do
 
DForck42
DForck42
@NautArch that's really nice!
 
NautArch
NautArch
The warlock was the guy floating above the amber crystal. The amber was an artifact drawing power that he was using to power the summoning circle as well as the portals. We had to break the green crystals to stop the portals from continuing to deposit demons.
And the artifact crystal, we learned, was untouchable. Magic would dissipate before hitting it and touching it would throw you back and give you about 60 psychic damage.
Our firbolg druid learned that one the hard way
 
DForck42
DForck42
@NautArch lol
 
NautArch
NautArch
he tried to ram his shoulder into it
 
DForck42
DForck42
2:13 PM
@NautArch was he at least wildshaped?
 
NautArch
NautArch
@DForck42 nope, and he's one of the UA Circle of Twilight druids
 
DForck42
DForck42
@NautArch I dunno those
 
NautArch
NautArch
I took out a demon and the warlock with a well placed 4th level fireball.
it's a bit OP, to be honest.
 
DForck42
DForck42
@NautArch isnt' that kind of the tagline for UA?
 
NautArch
NautArch
@DForck42 hahaha, probably should be
but mechanically it's pretty cool
 
DForck42
DForck42
2:27 PM
@NautArch neat
 
NautArch
NautArch
Baphomet had both legendary saves and absurdly high save and attack modifiers.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@NautArch IIRC, it's OP in specific circumstances.
But not Wizard-tier, "I'm godlike because I can do everything" OP.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Yuuki very true. but the Harvest's Scythe approaches (and maybe beats) the Paladin Divine Smite.
 
BESW
BESW
 
NautArch
NautArch
@BESW took me way too long to put together Twilight Circle from that :)
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
2:34 PM
> Starting at 7th level, when a creature within 5 feet of you takes damage, you can use your reaction to magically substitute your own health for that of the target creature, causing that creature no to take the damage. Instead, you take the damage. This damage to you can’t be reduced or prevented in any way.
Hmm...
I know I'm supposed to be the beefy meatshield of the party, but this doesn't feel that great and I'm considering taking a Warlock level here instead of Paladin 7.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Yuuki ??
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@NautArch I'm musing on my current Paladin.
I'm yet again vacillating between pure Paladin or Paladin/Warlock.
On the other hand, I get Spirit Guardians at 9th level if I stay pure Paladin.
Whereas Warlock levels would delay that.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Yuuki which oath?
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@NautArch Oath of the Crown.
 
NautArch
NautArch
I'm not a big fan of multiclassing paladin, but I get why people like it. Delaying your Aura of Courage and Improved Divine Smite is a tough call.
and reducing your total Lay on Hands pool
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
2:40 PM
I'm wondering how much I should value refreshing Divine Smites on a short rest.
Given that my party is currently half Wizard or Sorcerer, short rests usually don't do much for us.
 
NautArch
NautArch
there's definitely a big value there, but you'd be generating two 2d8 Smites /short rest, right?
that was my next question. How often doe syour party take short rests?
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
1st-level Warlock only has one spell slot.
@NautArch Not often actually. We either use hit dice or long rest because by the time we'd short rest, the casters are usually low on slots.
And short resting doesn't really help them.
 
NautArch
NautArch
ah, yes. so just 1 2d8 smite/short rest. While Improved Divine SMite (when you get it 4 levels later), will give you an extra d8/attack.
I mean, you need SRs to refresh your channel divinity, too
so it does give another reason to help you to take them
what level do you think this character is going to get to?
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
No clue. We just hit 4th but we're on a homebrew campaign, so I don't really know how far it'll go.
 
NautArch
NautArch
may be worth asking. If 11 is near the end-point, then you'll get more bang out of the warlock dip.
although the aura of courage is niiice
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
2:47 PM
I might just considering playing a Bladelock next time around.
Bladelock/Bard maybe?
 
The Oracle
The Oracle
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SaggingRufusShould we be flagging answers that basically say: John's answer is great and I agree with everything he said, and also this! On other SE sites, this should be a comment on the answer and the person who posted the answer would choose to edit their answer to include it or not. If it should...

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NautArch
NautArch
@Yuuki My bard has a 2 level dip into warlock and it's really nice. Delays my magical secrets and spell progression which was really painful, but the balance I got in return is pretty nice. Dipping a third level I wouldn't do because I want those 9th level spells at the end (and secrets to steal other 9th level spells)
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Kinda annoying that Hexblade makes you choose between Curse Bringer and +CHA to damage.
I mean, it makes sense because having both might be too powerful.
But still.
It feels awkward.
I'm thinking Bard 1/Hexblade 5/Valor Bard X?
Yeah, I don't get 9th level spells...
Hmm... maybe I don't need Hexblade 5 considering Valor Bard gets Extra Attack.
Valor 6/Hexblade 2(3)/Valor X?
 
NautArch
NautArch
@KorvinStarmast ninja'd me on that Warlock question!
@Yuuki I generally don't like the idea of multiclassing with UA. It's already playtest with the caveat and not balanced for multiclassing.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
3:03 PM
Oh yeah, that's right.
 
NautArch
NautArch
but if you're able to, then go for it
I'm not as familiar with the valor bard. That may do better with progression delays because you don't get the extra magical secrets.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Yeah but as a melee-focused "spellfencer" build, I really need that Extra Attack ASAP. Warlock offers it earlier at 5th level with an invocation but Valor Bard gets it as a feature at 6th level.
So if I take the invocation, I'd be double-dipping for Extra Attack and wasting an invocation.
And you can only swap out invocations when you get a Warlock level.
 
NautArch
NautArch
and you don't want to go bladesinger?
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Bladesinger?
 
CTWind
CTWind
@NautArch +1 to that.
@Yuuki Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide Wizard subclass that makes them able to stand toe-to-toe a bit better.
 
NautArch
NautArch
3:12 PM
@CTWind Not a lot of HP, but you're really hard to hit.
and you still get to be a wizard for the casting options
 
CTWind
CTWind
You get extra attack, up to +5 bonus AC, and a few other perks along those lines.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
How good is a two-level dip?
Valor 14 allows you to make an attack along with casting a bard spell.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Yuuki it gives you the bladesong
bonus action to start it, lasts 1 minute. gives bonus to AC equal to INT modifier, walking speed increases by 10', adv on Dex(acro) checks, INT modifier bonus to any CON saves for concentration checks
you also have to be an elf
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
It's really weird how I default to a rapier build when thinking of spellfencers except when I play Pathfinder's Magus.
 
NautArch
NautArch
you also get extra attack at 6th level with it
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
3:17 PM
Then I try to finagle a two-handed STR build.
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
@NautArch I was moved to make a comment, but then I decided I had enough for an answer so I did. Your answer is as good, though I don't think there's enough meat in the question as written. I'd like a bit more detail, as my answer feels too general.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@KorvinStarmast I felt that way a bit with mine, too. But I think both of our work because the answer is general to the question. I'm not sure I agree with the closure, unless it is a dupe of the one i found.
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
If it isn't a dupe, it's darned close. I think that the answer to that question, particularly RSConley's, provide all the material one needs to address that element of the Warlock/Patron relationship.
 
NautArch
NautArch
and argh, rolled my mouse over a spoiler on a deleted question and spoiled a future event in the dresden files for me
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Snape kills Trinity with Rosebud.
 
godskook
godskook
3:27 PM
Spoilers: Everyone dies, eventually.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Yuuki were you thinking of valor bard but a 2 level bladesinger dip? That's a bit MAD.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Yeah. Bard and Hexblade synergize well because of CHA and Hexblade getting +CHA to damage.
I guess multiclassing wouldn't be a good idea with Bladesinger.
Especially since it's a Wizard subclass.
 
kviiri
kviiri
I've wandered off onto Russian animation again, met this series of shorts called Captain Pronin. They're really... unique!
Or not really unique, it's like Russian version of Nikke Knatterton and Duke Nukem.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Yuuki and it gives you most of what you're looking for ( i think!)
spellcasting, attacking, melee,
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
If only I could avoid being a knife-ear... (/s)
 
NautArch
NautArch
3:40 PM
but it doesn't give you the valor bard aility to cast and real spell AND attack. Although I guess you could always attack with your off-hand as a bonus action?
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
There's always Eldritch Knight, I guess.
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nitsua601. Spell as bonus action, Attack as action You could do this. Certain (very few!) spells have a casting time of "1 bonus action." As long as you meet all of the other requirements for casting such a spell, there's no reason you can't Attack as your action and cast your spell as a bonus action. (...

 
DForck42
DForck42
@Yuuki the EK in our group is kinda meh on the magic side. 99% of the time it makes more sense for him to be swinging and using shield to stop hard hits
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Well, I don't want to be too strong on the magic side otherwise there's no reason to swing my sword.
Which is partially why I'm hesitant about picking Bladesinger.
Even with Bladesong, higher-level spells are so powerful that I imagine you wouldn't be wading into melee anyways.
Also, Bladesong doesn't incentivize melee-focused tactics. It protects you from getting blown up but there's no reason for a Bladesinger Wizard to rush up to someone's face when they can do traditional Wizard things.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Yuuki the scag cantrips let you deal some decent damage and make it very hard for them to hit you. Booming Blade is especially good because you can go in, hit, move away and if they move after you...more damage.
 
 
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Zachiel
Zachiel
5:38 PM
So, it looks like somebody took my message in chat about people who can't show up to games anymore and turned it into a question. Or the opposite happened.
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
@Zachiel I would assume you would know if the opposite had happened.
 
Zachiel
Zachiel
@Anaphory I'm too lazy to check the timestamps
And who was first never really mattered
It's just... very probable that we will go on playing without the guy who said "go on without me, I'll see if I can rejoin the game later" and find new players meantime, and then he'll be back but we're gonna be too many. And I have a horde of "I have things to do for the next two months or so, but I'd like to be back." - If everybody got back I'd have a 15-characters party.
 
DForck42
DForck42
5:55 PM
@Zachiel lol
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
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rules-as-written starfinder
pffffffff
 
DForck42
DForck42
so I'm part of a dnd 5e facebook group, and some of the advice people give is garbage and often times very petty...
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
So... like people on Facebook? (/s)
> people on Facebook
 
NautArch
NautArch
Be Nice, Yuuki :D
@DForck42 a guy who used to be in our group was on one of those. Don't know which one, tho.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@NautArch I mean, being generally misanthropic doesn't technically break "be nice", right? I can say "a person is good but people are terrible", right?
:p
 
NautArch
NautArch
6:15 PM
@Yuuki that's my personal philosophy of humanity...so i hope so
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
I wonder if the DC movie universe would be better served if there was a second Superman film before BvS?
 
Zachiel
Zachiel
@Yuuki Don't we have enough Batman and enough Superman movies out there?
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Zachiel I mean, I think it would flow better with BvS. One issue I have with the movie is that Superman simply hasn't existed long enough in the DC movieverse for the premise of the movie.
 
NautArch
NautArch
as someone that really didn't like BvS, I'd have been happy with anything BUT that movie
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
If there was another movie where he saved the world, then Superman's BvS conflict of "good deeds don't go unpunished" would make just a little more sense.
And Batman forming the Justice League in response to Earth needing protection in the wake of Superman's death would also make more sense.
It's just that as far as BvS goes, Superman just doesn't feel that important yet for the plot to revolve so heavily around him.
 
DForck42
DForck42
6:37 PM
@Yuuki it'd be better served if they hadn't gone with Zach snyder
and them rushing to try and "catch up" to marvel
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@DForck42 Well, Zack Snyder is off the DC movieverse project now for just about the worst reason.
 
DForck42
DForck42
@Yuuki has there been any updates on his... daughter?
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@DForck42 Umm... she's still dead if that's what you're asking...
 
NautArch
NautArch
i had no idea...that's horrible
 
DForck42
DForck42
oh that's right, now I feel like an a-hole
 
Zachiel
Zachiel
6:49 PM
@Yuuki wait, is the movieverse only the last iteration of movies, I.E. Man of Steel?
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Zachiel Man of Steel, Batman v. Superman, and Wonder Woman.
 
Zachiel
Zachiel
I was counting all of the Superman movies ever.
 
DForck42
DForck42
7:08 PM
depends on how you look at it
Man of Steel is considered a reboot of Superman, marking it in a separate universe (the DCEU)
 
 
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Shalvenay
Shalvenay
10:07 PM
hey there @KorvinStarmast
 

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