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7:00 PM
@B.S.Morganstein Yeah, I can only do it a little, specifically in Pathfinder and specifically because I spent all summer a few summers ago reading most of the pathfinder books cover-to-cover in my downtime (i.e. breaks at work while working manual labor unsupervised)
 
@Yuuki I wanted to represent it properly using 1di but the whitespace is apparently required between the asterisks u.u
.....
 
@B.S.Morganstein That's very true, especially if you want player buy-in to the storyline. The GM can chain them together, but they should be reading the players and the player characters' actions to determine where to go next. It is a learned skill, and one that requires a light touch to wield properly.
 
rage NOW IT WORKS?!?!?!?!?!
 
@BanjoFox It worked earlier but you immediately edited it.
Seems like there's a bit of lag when it comes to use different Markdown within a "word".
 
@Yuuki -- oh... :'( It didn't look like it rendered for me... mah bad
@godskook -- your phrasing confuses me
 
7:02 PM
@T.J.L. Yeah exactly, and I was finding that more often than not a hands-off approach to DMing was really useful, allowing the PCs to drive the story for themselves, with me occasionally stepping in to rule on a rule, provide a DC, or run an encounter
 
@B.S.Morganstein Well, not hands off... that's as bad as an iron fist. I used the phrase "light touch" quite deliberately.
 
@B.S.Morganstein -- ppsst... this is what I prefer to do also :D </interjection>
 
@BanjoFox Most people hate true-random when true-random is applied to the things they can see. Such as the shuffle-feature on a media player, or on accuracy calculations in a vidya game.
 
@godskook -- Interesting :)
 
7:07 PM
goes back into his hidey-hole
 
@BanjoFox hidey-holes are for foxes. Foxes are treasonous, citizen. Are you a loyal doggo of the empire, or are you a fox, citizen?
 
@godskook Dogs are creators of chaos and spreaders of filth. Are you a traitor, citizen?
 
Technically they would be doggobots (doggos only exist Outside, knowledge of Outside is actually treason).
 
@BanjoFox House doggos live with us...
 
@BanjoFox So you are a traitor, since you possess that knowledge about the Outside?
 
7:13 PM
@T.J.L. That's filthy commie cat propaganda, and treasonous to even think!
 
Are dogs house wolfos or are wolves forest doggos?
:thinkingface:
 
@godskook -- you are not well-versed in Alpha Complex lore are you? :3
 
@T.J.L. Yes a light touch
 
@BanjoFox Referencing original settings rather than my arbitrarily defined setting is treasonous citizen. Treason is punishable by death. Have a nice day!
 
.... I had written a formal (in character?) response but I feel that continuing to rail-road the chat in such a manner is rude :)
 
nwp
7:19 PM
@BanjoFox Are you saying you are being distracted by the Outside? That is treason!
(I have no clue what you are talking about)
 
@nwp That's the spirit, Citizen!
 
@nwp -- this chat is normally used to discuss actual questions/problems. While I appreciate, and gladly participate in Paranoia/Alpha Complex shenanagins, I feel that it gets out of hand on occasion. Thus potentially detracting from other, more on-topic conversations.
On the other hand, if it truly does not bother anyone, then game on :P
cocks his BLUE laser pistol
 
good nighttime
 
@BanjoFox since we started from true random generators, a ... random shift seems ironically appropriate :)
 
@Szega hahahah :D
 
7:33 PM
@BanjoFox I would say that in absence of it bothering someone, either generally or specifically, you shouldn't worry about it.
 
@godskook A comment re: complexy vs depth: Most professional game designers consider complexity a price they pay for depth. Many try to minimise that cost as much as possible on all stages of design.
 
@godskook -- it still seems reasonably polite to mention once in a while ;)
 
@eimyr Yeah, that was referenced in teh Extra Credits video I linked shortly after the starred comment.
@BanjoFox Sorry, but fun is MANDATORY
 
@godskook I like that video.
 
"if i cast detroy water on someone will it dehydrate them
turn them into a prune person"
"Open containers only
as specified by the spell"

Actual conversation I'm in right now :/
And now I need to create a table determining at what level of mutilation a corpse constitutes an "open container"
 
7:39 PM
@Papayaman1000 I don't know, I might consider a living corpse an open container... once. After that one no more people.
 
I'm not sure I want to know where you're going with that.
 
Well, I'd reward the ingenuity of trying to cast the spell on a person, so any person might count as an open container (people have remarkably many openings); living, dead, or variations thereupon. But only once(ish). No cheesing it. You get the creativity to pay off once, but no more (or at least not often).
 
@Delioth That is not really consistent, though.
 
@Papayaman1000 I swear, officer, its for a D&D game.
 
swearing is treason :p
 
7:47 PM
@Szega Anyone seriously suggesting that a person is an open container knows it's super cheesy and liable to not work at all... but I'll give it to you once since it's creative. It's more of "it doesn't work ever, but GM Fiat says it works this time"
 
@Papayaman1000 -- I would also defer to the RAW definition of "container" to determine that.
 
Incidentally, why are they trying to dessicate a corpse?
 
And if you want it more, research a spell that does that
 
Just to see if they can?
 
@Delioth It should work on their saliva or blood from an open wound
but not to the point of desiccation
 
7:48 PM
@Delioth Well, they then went on to calculate the logic of shoving a tube up their foe's anus to make them explode, and then I promptly left our Discord server
 
@Szega Is a wound really a container? A blood vessel? A mouth?
 
can that spell control wine?
 
I think I'm cancelling tomorrow's session
and the rest of the campaign
 
Container - an object that can be used to hold or transport something.
 
@Delioth there is a fluid, and it is exposed to the world...
 
7:49 PM
I think I'll be leaving the RPG scene entirely, actually\
 
@Papayaman1000 Are you being appropriately dramatic, or serious?
 
.....
 
@Szega I guess it is properly "open", but it probably doesn't fit the Magic definition of Container
 
starts shredding evidence
 
@godskook Speaking of "I swear officer..."
 
7:51 PM
@Delioth If we talk magical/mystical a spell that controls water might not control any solution, like wine or blood or saliva.
 
hmm
 
I had this friend, Juan. Juan was a burly, sometimes-bearded hispanic dude who drove a really old car. Well maintained, but old.
He was on his way home from the game store one night, and he gets pulled over by the cops. Cop walks up, sees Juan, sees the rifle case he has on his backseat.
 
@Szega That too. Magic says it doesn't work, but the GM likes the creativity and says it can work once (which the player can choose - I probably wouldn't force them to use their "once" at that time immediately)
 
Nervous, hand on gun, the cop asks him what's in the rifle case. Juan's reply? "Officer, would you believe me if I told you 'small green men with guns'."
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@Delioth In my opinion you need consistency more than that.
 
7:53 PM
.... waits for the end of TJL's story
 
"Nope," says the officer, "why don't you show me... very slowly." Juan climbs out, slowly. Gets the case out, slowly. Puts it on the trunk, slowly... and pops it open... slowly.
 
@Delioth Yeah, magic is weird. After all, at an atomic level, there's no difference between the carbon in your molecules and the carbon in coal. But living and nonliving is a very important magical distinction.
 
Low and behold - it is full of small green men with guns - his Warhammer 40K ork army.
 
@T.J.L. --- HAH....
 
Apparently, they stood on the side of the road for 45 minutes talking Warhammer. :)
 
7:54 PM
@T.J.L. saw it coming
 
@GreySage Many gamers would... but the cop? Not a freakin' clue.
 
I was thikning "plastic army men"
 
@Szega Eh, my players have never cared so much for consistency in rulings - they know they asked to do something super cheesy and that it shouldn't work... but we like to play our games a bit silly so consistency goes out the door in favor of fun rulings. I know most play games a bit more serious, but sometimes it's fun when the Earth Genasi's home used to be the High Priest of a dwarven city
 
as long as everybody agrees :D
 
@Delioth Well, my players would demand that it works like that again, always.
To be fair, I would too.
 
7:57 PM
Yeah, I make sure my players know that it's only working like that 1 time or fewer, since it's cheesy and definitely outside the spell's description
 
@Szega I've had GMs let stuff like that work, but say at the same time, "alright, because it was creative/cool, I'll allow it, but only once"
 
(( Granted, we all take turns behind the screen, so we all have great respect for whoever is behind it at the time; this may not be typical ))
 
@GreySage I do not doubt that such things happen, I just don't do it that way.
 
imho you have to make this kind of triage often. both, too creative and too strict can ruin the game
everyone knows stories about both types of decision.
 
@Delioth -- are all of your games played with a "silly" demeanor?
 
7:59 PM
@jwacalex I think you do not have to sacrifice consistency for it
 
@Szega sometimes you have to stretch the consistency. maybe not to ruin the laws of the world but be kind of flexible.
but it highly depends on the group. i've been at tables where the players are going to lit torches and fetch the forks if the GM is too much "flexible" in the interpreation of the rules ;)
 
@jwacalex I've never seen a GM who was "too strict" ruin the game, solely on "strict". I've seen "arbitrary"+"strict" do it, but never "too strict" on its own.
 
@BanjoFox Well, it depends on the set. The one with a fixed cast between me and a couple of high-school buddies is silly (I GM). The set that's more West-marches style is a bit more serious (though we're still not super-serious), if a bit tongue-in-cheek. I'm in another that might be serious or might not be (we're only one session in... but it's also Dark Souls themed... but I know the guys we're playing with and it doesn't seem like it'll be fully serious).
 
@jwacalex flexibility in arbitration can be consistent, those do not rule each other out
 
@godskook some systems encourage it a bit more than others. if you have a system that strongly relies on checks (and thus dice rolls) it might happen.
 
8:04 PM
@Delioth -- Gotcha. Cause... Paranoia is borderline slapstick :)
 
And we make sure to keep the serious moments intact- just some details get odd. Like determining one session that the warrior's house is sentient and talks (or at least grunts) at times. And then three sessions later realizing that "Rock" (the house) used to live near this other city and was High Priest until he... left.
 
@godskook -- both problems can be, generally, resolved by communication with players in a proper way.
 
@BanjoFox It is borderline, but the Engineering Department is already working on new and enhanced sticks so that it can be improved.
 
@Szega as long as the "world works" and you can elaborate why you made a certain ruling i fully agree with out.
 
@Szega -- Actually Troubleshooter team RYZ4-Q just left R&D with the latest batch.
 
8:07 PM
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@BESW ^
 
Or is kerning the result of improper keming?
:thinkingface:
 
@doppelgreener you made my day
 
I don't get it ;-;...... yeah ... okay
 
@Yuuki :thoinking:
@jwacalex :D
 
btw... @doppelgreener I got a set of these Kutsuwa pencil caps for my Blackwing pencils and they're pretty awesome :D
 
8:16 PM
say whaaaaaaaaat!! these seem pretty neat :O
so this is like... a cap that prevents the lead tip from snapping in transport?
 
@doppelgreener Exactly
 
@jwacalex My reference point is 3.5, so.....
 
@doppelgreener - Blackwing Palomino does have their own version but they are CRAY-spensive Blackwing point guard and I rather like the tapered end (AND COLOURS !:D!)
 
@BanjoFox genius!!! where have these things been all my life
@BESW :D
i am glad you like it as much as i do
 
8:20 PM
@doppelgreener -- I KNOW RIGHT! I was, almost shamefully, browsing for fancy-pencil things to buy and saw them. Then i was like "nah... let me check Amazon." Then boom "Amazon Add-on order" :D
 
@BanjoFox they don't ship to london :'D but i'm sure i could get something similar elsewhere
 
@doppelgreener Amazon.co.uk?
 
oh. oh dear :'D i think i might need to shop for pencil caps from someone else
 
... 55GBP for a set of 3 -.-.... hell I would ship them to you at cost
 
yeah XD
 
8:25 PM
Better plan... I'll spend $12(US) get 4 sets, throw them in a jiffy-pack for you, you keep one set and sell the other 3 for ... 40 quid each?
 
GBP?
 
Great British Pound (I believe)
BBL... leaving work to go Outside (shock, gasp, treason) and maybe find some local gamers.
cya! :D
 
8:41 PM
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@BESW Oh yeah, Greek marble statues were painted with really bright and vivid colors that wore off/got eroded over time.
 
Yup.
 
@Yuuki What are you talking about? We just invented colors last century.
 
@Delioth Bright, vivid, non-blue colours
 
@Delioth See, here's the thing that most people don't recognize. We didn't invent colors in the last century, we invented the ability to see colors in the last century.
People were painting in bright reds and greens in ancient times, they just couldn't see the reds and greens.
 
8:53 PM
@godskook i don't want to start the system flamewar, but as a german i've played the black eye ;)
 
 
"Whenever [the world] seems [complicated], I take a nap in a tree and wait for dinner."
 
@jwacalex Huh?
 
@godskook here is "das schwarze auge" the black eye a bit more popular than d&d. and at some points DSA/TBE has some kind of rule fetishism. you can find a book for each city in the whole world.
 
@jwacalex It's "The Dark Eye" in English, since "black eye" means Veilchen
 
8:59 PM
@ACuriousMind :D i'm always unsure about how to translate it
 
Also in English "black eye" is vernacular for a contusion around the orbital socket.
 
@BESW That's what the German Veilchen means, too
 
Ah. I googled it and got violets.
 
that's the other thing we call so
 
Yeah, it's a flower, but it's also a common name for, well, a black eye ;)
 
9:02 PM
maybe because the eye is violet at some point
 
nwp
@ACuriousMind Except they manage to express it without bringing orbits into it.
 
9:27 PM
@jwacalex i thought that calling it "the black eye" was a way to say it's so bad it hurts to play it
 
...Bilingual RPG zing?
 
@doppelgreener :D
 
@BESW yeah :D
 
 
2 hours later…
11:09 PM
@Yuuki I'm at a symposium right now with a number of people whose names you'd recognize from talking-heads-on-tv, if you're into that sort of thing. Half an hour before this morning's sessions started they were all typing away furiously either updating rewriting their columns (NYT, Bloomberg, WaPo) or re-jiggering their appearances (MSNBC, CNN) because of last night's surprise.
I'm a high school teacher. I never thought I'd see Nobel Prize winners typing furiously to get their homework in on time the same way I do my students!
 
user15026
I guess everyone is prone to waiting til the last minute ;)
 
user15026
Or, well, dealing with the effects of other people's last minute scramblings, more like
 
@Ash Or both. It made me sympathize a little--I'd come in this morning not having taken twenty minutes to look at the news, rather having breakfast with my kids. They were all in the position of "if I don't check the news before going up, I could be blindsided by a well-posed question."
 
user15026
Yeah, most definitely.
 
@NaturelsWeird just how many gateways to hell are there?
 
11:18 PM
...now I want to write a campaign where there's a plague of undead because somebody's been telling grims that they're bad dogs.
 
@BESW Have you read Gaiman's The Graveyard Book?
 
@nitsua60 What was last night's surprise?
 
@nitsua60 I have not.
(The more of Gaiman I read, the more I feel like I've already read whatever new book of his I'm reading.)
 
@godskook McCain voted some way on something. Still haven't quite put it all together yet. (By not yet looking at a newspaper yet. I'll get there, but I have my priorities!)
@BESW YES!!!
It's... disorienting.
(sorry to shout)
@BESW IIRC (which, given the last colloquy we had, may not be the case as it's Gaiman) a grim or many grims feature.
 
@nitsua60 Ah, right, silly me, I thought it was Nobel-related on more than them being Nobel Prize winners.
 
11:21 PM
@BESW It was good, and didn't feel like I was reading Stardust or Coraline or American Anansi God-Boys or a volume of Sandman.
 
A brief glance indicates it also references Thiess of Kaltenbrun, at least obliquely.
 
@godskook No, sorry. Many of these talks are healthcare+economy+politics related.
Alright, peeps. Checking out for the night. Don't burn the place down!
 
ttfn
 
@nitsua60 No worries, you were starting conversation and answering questions.
 
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