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12:27 AM
Hii
 
how're things going?
 
Haha, I'm stuck in lab
Grad student life
How about you
 
alright here
 
@Yuuki Technically, you can't bond a shield :(
 
@Yuuki Yeah, if you want to do anything involving a shield as a thrown weapon like you want, then there's going to have to be some homebrew.
 
12:44 AM
@Miniman I mean, it doesn't count as armor...
 
@Yuuki Yes, because it's a shield. It's not a weapon, and EK requires your bonded item to be a weapon.
"a magical bond between yourself and one weapon."
 
1:34 AM
But if you take something like Tavern Brawler, which lets you become proficient with improvised weapons, I feel like it becomes a little murkier.
Maybe.
 
Not really. You're proficient with it, but it's still not a weapon.
 
What about non-shield improvised weapons like a table or a fence post?
 
Still not weapons.
But more importantly: 5e doesn't try to be a fully specified system like some other do, like 4e.
So if there isn't a rule for a particular thing, then make a ruling.
 
Yeah, I'd just like to be as RAW as possible so I don't have to worry about whether a character concept will fall apart because a DM rules differently.
 
If you're trying to do something that's super outside RAW like using a shield as an EK bonded thrown weapon, there's no way to build it that won't fall afoul of some DM.
You're building something that isn't supported by the rules except in implication.
 
1:42 AM
Wait really, you can't throw a shield?
There isn't even some kind of rule like "yeah if you want to throw stuff to do damage, it's like 1d6 per 10 pounds of weight or something"?
 
Sorry, I edited to clarify. You can totally throw a shield, you can't bond it as an EK bonded weapon.
And all improvised weapons that don't just mimic an existing weapon do 1d4 damage.
The 1d6 per 10 pounds thing was, IIRC, object falling damage from the 3.5 Complete Warrior.
@Yuuki: Frame challenge: Why not just reflavor some of your spells as "throwing your shield", rather than trying to make the shield-throwing work like a thrown weapon?
Like, when you cast the Fire Bolt cantrip, you reflavor it as throwing a flaming shield that comes back after the attack.
 
2:23 AM
Anybody here have Cthulhu Confidential/Gumshoe One-2-One yet?
 
@DuckTapeAl In that case, I'll probably take Silent Image as a cantrip and have it take the form of a shield.
And then not wield an actual shield.
 
What's the name of the character in LoL?
 
Poppy.
That way, I can look like I'm wielding a shield and still two-hand a warhammer.
It's an interesting character to build because she uses a hammer that looks about three sizes too big.
 
Yeah, and it looks like the shield in-game is sort of a glowy magical thing, and not a physical shield.
Based on this youtube video.
 
Yeah, I guess I could use the Shield spell instead.
 
2:37 AM
Looks like Silent Image takes Concentration, so that's not really ideal.
 
@Yuuki Shield of Faith might be better for your purposes, if you can get it.
 
Oh wait, Shield's different in 5e.
 
Yeah, Shield is a reaction now.
 
And 1 round duration.
Which makes sense.
 
Hmmm, Poppy is kinda Paladin-ish anyway.
 
2:38 AM
Having it be a buff that auto-negates Magic Missile sucked a bit.
 
Oh, actually Silent Image wouldn't work at all. It takes your action to move it.
 
@Miniman Yeah, I was trying to decide between Fighter and Paladin. The biggest reason why I went with Eldritch Knight was so I could try that weapon bond to a shield.
 
3:14 AM
@mxyzplk @SevenSidedDie given the nominations begin in 16 hours, what's the timeline on the "how many positions to fill" question? Does that need to be settled before nominations start? Or can the election be changed to be for 2 spots rather than 1 (if that's the decision) during the election itself?
 
@nitsua60 Grace appears to be around too, if you want to ask those kind of questions.
 
@GraceNote hiya--didn't notice you were around. Can you address this question?
 
perhaps that's just a question that should appear on meta?
 
3:38 AM
I would say "the deadline's in 16 hours" then - I don't think we want to be wiggling the number during the election because that would cause concerns about impropriety (bumping the number up or down during the event itself is sure to affect votes/vote spread in unplanned ways). I don't see any strong feelings on that meta for more than 3 currently, so I'd say the 3's have it, though I reckon in the end its up to our CM overlords
 
 
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9:26 AM
@Miniman Olaf?! Has winter come yet?
 
 
3 hours later…
12:26 PM
@daze413 You mean Blue Santa, right?
 
@Miniman Ded Moroz? :)
 
12:48 PM
@RollingFeles Oooh, I hadn't seen that one before.
 
hellooo everyone
 
Hello
 
@NautArch Hi!
 
good weekend? good weekend!
watched Arrival. that's not a great movie.
 
Mmm. I understood Arrival a lot better after reading an interview which revealed the script-writer didn't understand the short story it's based on.
 
12:55 PM
@BESW woof. that's...not good.
i had also just read a trilogy that was a fairly close rip-off of that short story (Confluence trilogy by Jennifer Foehner Wells)
 
He disagreed with what he thought Ted Chiang was saying in Story of Your Life, so he changed the ending to say what he wanted it to...
...but because he completely failed to realise not just the specifics of Chiang's message, but the KIND of message Chiang was talking about, the movie kinda falls apart.
 
mornin
 
@BESW i haven't read the short story - what was the message?
@DForck42 top o the morn!
 
@NautArch how goes it?
 
@DForck42 not too bad, yourself? Weather is just dandy out where I am, so that helps :)
 
1:01 PM
It's a little hard to explain... to my mind, it's about cultural contact zones and the way that people who have absorbed multiple cultural epistemologies can feel like they don't belong to either/any.
The script-writer read it as being very literal, about accepting predestination.
 
@BESW and was that the real source of her Louise's 'divorce' from her husband and somewhat from life as well? In addition - was she basically already 'understanding' non-linear language before the incident? I didn't really understand that part.
 
Yes to the first.
Which "incident" do you mean?
 
The "Arrival" and the introduction to the language itself.
 
Okay, so. The short story is narrated by Dr. Banks from her perspective after... maybe we should take this to the Not A Bar and hang a spoiler warning on the door.
 
@NautArch not bad
 
1:28 PM
there must be something about my recent answers that just begs "don't Accept my answer, no matter how many upvotes it gets"
 
Eh, there are some great answers I haven't accepted because I haven't actually had a chance to use them yet, so I can't say yet that they actually solved my problem.
I've even been known to bounty answers without accepting them. And of course there's popular answers which weren't the most useful to the querent.
 
heh, that's interesting
 
@NautArch Of course, it's equally possible that you're the unwitting victim of a vast and sinster web of conspiracy.
 
@Miniman I'm gonna roll with that one - it's much more fun.
and it fits with my background of "Unwitting"
 
> Un-witting. When you defend against a Clever attack and succeed with style, you inflict 2 stress on the attacker.
Seriously though, "accept" is a totally different mechanic from "upvote" and the two shouldn't be conflated.
"Upvote" means random people think it's a good answer; "accept" means it's the answer that was actively helpful to the person originally asking the question.
 
1:42 PM
@BESW true, although it does seem more like "oh, it's just one answer, there it is. okay, i'm done."
 
Aye, people do sometimes use Accept as a kind of superupvote.
 
digging the, should we add a 4th moderator meta question
 
Yeah, it's one of the few times I've come in without a strong opinion and gone away without a strong opinion.
(Often on discussions like that I go in with a strong opinion and leave with a different strong opinion.)
 
haha
shame wax has been sort of incommunicado leading to this
how have you been, its been a long time since we chatted
 
It's midnight and I'm doing my taxes.
 
1:54 PM
yeah I can respect that
 
I accidentally claimed an extra exemption in my w4 and I owed 2700 this year even with my deductions
 
Hi @JoshuaAslanSmith & @BESW!! :)
 
@BESW O_o US taxes?
 
RPGwise I've been kinda slack; it's mostly just Troggy and I at Geek Nights these days and we don't do twosies well together.
 
1:55 PM
@JoshuaAslanSmith Ouch, and I thought the ~$900 my wife and I had to pay was bad
 
I woke up this morning and did my taxes in about 5 minutes. Sadly I think it'll be the last year I'll be able to do them that easily
 
@DForck42 Aye. Easter Sunday pushed back the deadline for us.
 
@doppelgreener hello doppel also been a long, time how are you
 
@BESW I ought to be there this next geek night! \o/ No urgent business to handle that morning and my sleep's getting back on track.
 
I want to find somebody who's used Gumshoe One-2-One and see if that might help address our twosies problem.
 
1:56 PM
@BESW Ive also only been loosely playing RPGS, some Edge of the empire about once a month, might be running a 5e game for some rpg noobies though soon
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith It sure has been! I'm going well today. How about you?
 
@BESW it's... literally due tomorrow... why'd you wait so long? ;-)
 
@DForck42 Because life happens. Among other things, my dad's got an infection.
@doppelgreener Yey!
 
@BESW ahh, that sucks (and I was just giving you a hard time, I did mine last week)
 
since y'all helped me pick I wanted to drop in and say my Dragonborn Warlock is now a Half Elf Bard. It was a lot more fun!
 
1:58 PM
@Ryan lol, 5e?
 
@Ryan Hooray!
 
@doppelgreener been trying to get back into activity on the site
 
@DForck42 yeah 5e adventurer's league
 
sorta dropped off when I stopped playing 5e and 90% of the questions were 5e
 
...I like the idea of bards, but have yet to find a mechanical implementation I've really enjoyed.
 
1:59 PM
@JoshuaAslanSmith It's really good to see you around again.
 
@Ryan cool. what kind of bard? lore or valor?
 
My last bard attempt was DW, which... eh.
 
@doppelgreener it is good to be around again, I've missed the site
 
@DForck42 I'm not level 3 yet to decide. Most likely will be going Lore though I did attempt a few stabs with my rapier.
 
@Ryan Nice! I love my half-elf bard :)
 
2:01 PM
@Ryan Lore Bards are pretty awesome (I've got a level 9 bard)
 
@Ryan i highly recommend Lore. Stealing spells from other classes is just plain fun. And you can always go stabby-stabby if you have to.
@DForck42 I'm playing a bard 11/warlock 2 right now. I like playing him more than my paladin 12.
 
the plan when picking Bard was Lore so I'm pretty sure that's the route I'll go. I picked Minor Illusion, Vicious Mockery, Bane, Faerie Fire, and Thunderwave as my current cantrips and spells
 
@Ryan Nice! in game without flanking, faerie fire is very much your friend. No Dissonant Whispers, though? If you've got melee fighters, that's a must-have at next level.
 
@NautArch BArd/Warlock multiclasses are fun. I currently have a Bard 5/ Warlock 1, I'm planning on getting Warlock 3 for Pact of the Tome, then continuing with Bard (I'm pretty sure we aren't going to go to 20 with these characters so I'm not too worried about losing access to Wish)
 
@doppelgreener Got any idea if you'll feel like working on SG-13 or Egyptian Intrigue or something else?
 
2:05 PM
@Ryan I agree with NautArch Dissonant Whispers is amazing (especially when 4/6 of your party is melee like mine is)
 
@BESW I'm keen for SG-13, though the recent Amonkhet expansion of Magic got me sort of in a mood for Egyptian lore too haha.
 
@diego I wasn't really planning on it, but the DM did a random treasure roll and an Instrument of the Bards came up (Cli Lyre.) It's powerful as all get-out, and I liked the fluff of actually playing it for my spells. Since it takes 2 hands, I needed to go a route that would still give me an attack since pulling out my rapier while holding the lyre just didn't make sense to me.
 
@NautArch why would I want to move enemies away from my melee fighters?
 
@Ryan Because unlike most forced movement this uses their reaction to move so it provokes opportunity attacks
 
and around that same itme, our War Cleric turned undead on an entire encounter and my character (who wants power and to be famous) made a deal with his god for power :)
 
2:08 PM
I'm most inclined toward SG-13.
 
@diego is there a ruling on that?
cause dm quoted forced movement for not provoking attack with dissonant whispers
 
SG-13 is probably easier for me, which is good.
 
I'd love to shove it in his face
 
I've caught glimpses of arguments over whether Amonkhet's Egyptian elements are appropriate and good mood-setting, or whether they're cultural appropriation and bad, and whether it even counts as "cultural appropriation" when you're dealing with a long-gone ancient civilisation.
 
@DForck42 The rules on OAs says "You also don’t provoke an opportunity attack when you Teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your Movement, action, or reaction. "
Since Dissonant Whispers makes them use their reaction to move it doesn't qualify for this exception
 
2:10 PM
@diego ooooo
 
ty
 
Forced movement is something like a shove, or failing a gust of wind save
 
@DForck42 Yeah, it's not forced movement, it's them running away on their accord.
 
oooh I didn't know it worked that way. Maybe I will switch one of my spells out for it when I level up again
 
2:12 PM
@doppelgreener I am NOT going to get into a discussion on cultural appropriation :)
 
I can switch Bane out
 
@doppelgreener I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that very few people in the discussion are Egyptian.
 
@Ryan yeah, that's what I'd suggest. Bane is great, but i've generally found debuffing is less good than buffing.
 
@NautArch Bane is a cool flavor spell. And I might use it for bad guy NPCs every once in a while, but very rarely would I ever take it myself
 
@BESW Your hunch is correct. I saw one person who said they were Egyptian, and they also said everything Amonkhet was doing was awesome. Not in those words, but I don't remember their words -- only that they fully approved.
 
2:14 PM
Bless in most cases is strictly better than bane
 
@Adam although I could see that in a caster-heavy party it could be great. But in general, offense>defense in encounter resolution.
 
@NautArch neat
 
@NautArch I would really only use it when my character was focused on crushing his enemies versus helping his allies. Basically, unless I'm playing a war cleric, death cleric, or a brutally violent paladin, I would use bless. Bane could work well in a caster heavy party to reduce the enemy saves, but the extra d4 to your own party's saves and spell attacks with bless is also pretty good.
 
@Adam Yeah, that's what I was thinking. He'll get much more mileage out of DW.
 
Agreed.
 
2:21 PM
@NautArch it can also help in a pinch if your melee guy is surrounded and you need a hole
 
@Adam Bless isn't an option for Bard
 
I came in late and didn't realize we were talking about bards :p
 
I did take Cure Wounds though, forgot that one
 
Forget everything I said
I find that rather interesting though. I think all of the other classes that can cast bane can also cast bless
 
@Ryan at high enough level, everything is an option for bard (mostly)
 
2:29 PM
@Ryan How has your inspiration die usage gone? One of my favorite things about the bard - although once Cutting WOrds came online at 3, that was much more commonly used than handing them to other players.
 
@NautArch uh, I don't think I did any inspiration rolls
 
@Ryan Hand those out!
@Ryan what's your charisma modifier?
 
oooh you mean Bardic Inspiration to others. Yeah I did give those out
My charisma modifier is I believe +3
I kept our melee guys set up with Bardic Inspiration since they were taking the bulk of the damage
 
@Ryan ah good! Gets even more fun after level 5th level when they come back after a short rest
and cutting words is amazingly fun
 
of course a new player came and was playing a Sorcerer and wanted to do the negotiations for our reward money so I gave him Inspiration as well before going in... he rolled a 5 and still lost miserably. I should've done the negotiations myself
 
2:34 PM
@Ryan heh, it happens. you could have rolled a 1.
 
hmm I think I got my spell list wrong. Talking from memory. I know 100% I have Sleep, Thunderwave, Cure Wounds and Faerie Fire. I kept wanting to use Sleep but the melee guys just wanted to run in on mobs and my initiative rolls weren't great so I was always going near the end of the line
 
sleep is always effective
in fact since you are limited by the HP pool of each monster you probably wouldnt ge tall of them anyway
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Tell that to my spore-punching Breloom after the Gen VI nerf.
Also, good morning.
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith My circadian rhythms disagree.
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith At low levels it's pretty effective. As you level up, it quickly becomes less potent. At least that's my experience with it
 
2:41 PM
@Ryan don't forget if you are level 2 you also get half proficiency to Initiative. At low levels it isn't a big difference, but it should help a little
 
@Adam was specifically saying you dont need to cast sleep at the start of a fight
because youd probably only sleep 2-5 enemies depending on their hp
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith that's a great point - sleep is almost MORE effective after they've been beat down a bit.
 
yeah, that's true
 
@diego yeah I noticed that at the end of playing, its something i absolutely forgot about during gameplay :( ah well I'll try to remember it for next time
we also had a maybe 7 year old girl playing with us that was making up her own rules and the DM was just kinda allowing it but whispering to the rest of us to not follow her lead
 
@diego how?
 
2:47 PM
@DForck42 Jack of All Trades
Initiative is a dex check so it gets the half proficiency bonus
 
@diego ...oh...
 
@NautArch yeah, if someone or the party in general deals damage out equally then you can sleep a lot more and either leave them asleep or get that advantage vs them
 
@Ryan I definitely get wanting that 7 year old to feel comfortable, but given it's Adventurers League that seems annoying. If you want to play, play by the rules, kid.
 
Is it inappropriate to put advice in a comment?
Like not answering the question but giving a bit of advice related to it
 
Generally speaking I'd flag that kind of thing as Too Chatty or Not Constructive, but YMMV.
 
2:58 PM
@Aaron I think it depends on the content. Do you have any specifics?
 
@NautArch yeah seems like adventure league would not be the place for that
 
yeah it was a bit awkward her, her brother and her dad really. She was actually the best of the 3 of them IMO
 
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Q: What do you do when your players guess your plots?

SkippyGSo I'm a new GM and am running my first campaign. I'm by no means running a terribly complicated game with Elizabethan parlor intrigue, but I do have a few twists that I'm excited to throw at my players. Now in my experience a good plot twist has to be subtly hinted at beforehand and paid-off a w...

Hmm. Now that I think of it I guess it would be an answer.
 
its weird playing in Adventurer's League where people kinda come and go
 
its just part of the format
4e organized play was the same way
 
3:12 PM
@Ryan One "fix" is to get a group of eight committed: that way you don't deal with new people coming and going.
(Just finished SKT with 7 of 8 characters/players original from the first session.)
 
@nitsua60 How did that go with so many PCs? My group is running through SKT now and we have 6 and most of the fights seem far too easy (and the ones that don't usually KO at least 1 PC), and I would expect that to get worse with more PCs.
 
Adjust the encounters to have more/stronger enemies?
Although I guess you can't do that in AL, maybe.
 
@Yuuki I'm pretty sure my DM does do that, but it doesn't seem to really help that much
 
Rocks Fall, Everybody Dies A Couple People Get Hurt?
 
@Yuuki Those People Form A Class Action Lawsuit Against Rocks And Wizards; Rock People Launch A Discrimination Counter-Suit; Rocks Fall On The Courtroom Ironically And Everybody Dies
 
3:36 PM
Im definitely eyeing the Strahd adventure league bundle on drivethrurpg rihgt now to run as a gm
 
> They can smell fear just by lookin' at ya. So keep quiet.
 
Considering running Tomb of Horrors for my group to make them think again. Combat has been "hit bad man with big stick; make big stick-man feel magic feel-good" as of late.
 
I need to drop this line at some point during one of my sessions.
 
@Papayaman1000 how does tomb of horrors change that?
 
@NautArch Most people get the hint after the eighth character or so.
 
3:41 PM
@NautArch "hit wall with big stick. Oh, big trap. Make big-stick man dead"
 
@Zachiel Yeah just about
 
@diego Yeah, there's encounter-adjustment. I also think most (AL) GMs seem to be very reluctant to actually play monsters well/intelligently/hard-mode. (I don't mean the GM's not intelligent, just that they play the monster as not-intelligent.)
 
"Speak softly and carry a reminder to not go into the Tomb of Horrors."
 
yesterday, by Miniman
You can't really complain about bosses not being challenging when you're deliberately avoiding making them challenging.
 
@nitsua60 ugh
 
3:42 PM
I guess i'm asking because mygroup is very combat focused and lacks a lot of strategy or do other things besides attack.
 
It's the same thing I could say about my characters
 
@NautArch Didn't consult a sage? You're 2/3 likely to TPK before even entering ToH.
 
@NautArch Amen!
 
(both nitsua60's and NautArch's)
 
@NautArch Objectives, time, terrain--IMO they're the big three in transforming D&D combat.
 
3:44 PM
Besides they still haven't played it yet and it's a rite of passage anymore
 
voting to close this
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Q: Should the Saber-Toothed Tiger have Darkvision?

K.L.R.I noticed that the regular Tiger received Darkvision, though the Lion does not (which was perhaps a balancing factor considering the many other abilities the Lion has, like Pack Tactics and improved jumping), so the question arises---should the Saber Toothed Tiger actually have Darkvision? It doe...

 
@nitsua60 was reading a similar issue on another site about someone complaining becuase Polymorph is too powerful. Well, maybe your DM shouldn't use creatures that aren't resistance to mundane attacks, maybe your other players don't want to always be in beast mode, maybe those in beast mode should play more as the besat they are rather than as the equivalent of a wildshaped druid, etc. etc. The problem isn't hte spell, the problem is your encounters and your group.
 
@NautArch so, as a counter, it's hard to do strategic moves and stuff if there's nothing in the dungeon/encounter that allows that. for example, we tend to be just in big rooms without a lot of cover, so combat is very clumpy
 
they arent specifing if they want lore or designer intent
and it seems primarily opinion based anyway
 
and our dm just has monsters run up and hit us
 
3:45 PM
@nitsua60 yeah, when i've DM'd the group I've tried to make the combat terrain more interesting, but it usually quickly goes into smash'em.
 
there's no incentive to get creative if we get punished by trying to maneuver, because we're throwing away attacks for what's probably not going to be much advantageous gain
 
[Addt'l note: Incinerate all extradimensional artifacts that may be used to trap/incinerate the demilich or its phylactery.]
 
@nitsua60 We aren't playing in AL, and I don't think he is not playing the monsters well. It just seems the monsters we encounter don't have the most interesting tactics available to them (there seems to be a lot of melee monster that can't do much except hit things as hard as they can)
 
The Portabag of Hole-ding has thwarted far too many demiliches.
 
It seems like the problem is both bland encounter design (lack of terrain features, etc.) and bland monster design (monsters only want to kill you).
 
3:52 PM
@Yuuki Yes, I think creating a world/scenario where they want more is necessary. Our main DM doesn't ever do anything besides kill, and the few times he has hinted not to and we didn't, it came back to bite us.
 
I still maintain that any demilich on whom that strategy works was probably kicked out of the demilich club for picking his nose at dinner.
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@BESW lol
 
Astral projection: why not?
You put your phylactery somewhere nice and safe like a popped bag of holding, and you use astral projection for all your interactions with the outside world. If your projection is destroyed, you just snap back into the bag and can project back out again immediately. If your astral cord is cut, you regenerate inside the bag as few days later as normal.
An inaccessible and unnamed extradimensional space is probably the best possible place for a demilich to hole up, as it renders him effectively immortal and most attempts to kill him will only delay him for two or three rounds.
 
@diego But I don't understand why a monster with no other tactic available to it than to run up and hit something would do so--or continue to do so--when it's overmatched? That, to me, screams of not playing a monster's objectives.
 
@nitsua60 Well lately it has been groups of barbarians trying to defend a point from us, and not having anywhere to run to even if they wanted to
 
4:05 PM
@BESW I had a headcanon realisation earlier: in an Atomic Robo-verse, Leonardo da Vinci could've been an extraterrestrial living in the equivalent of the countryside.
He was already familiar with awesome sciences, and was curious figuring out how to recreate them with wood and paper and other simple instruments.
 
@doppelgreener That sounds very Manhattan Projects.
 
He was interested in studying the anatomy of the natives, so he did that too.
He invented the resume (true story, or so it's thought) because it was a thing his civilisation already did, and then it caught on here too.
 
@nitsua60 wholly depends on the sapience/sentience of the monster and its instincts
 
@doppelgreener Well...
 
@nitsua60 cause dm's forget that most monsters have survival instincts
 
4:08 PM
@Papayaman1000 Aw, there's no "leonardo's an alien" things on that list.
i like the theories that are there though.
 
@Papayaman1000 Bad, bad Papayaman1000. You don't link to TVTropes without a disclaimer.
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@doppelgreener Brought to you by my scary ability/curse to link TV Tropes from memory.
@Zachiel [Sits in corner]
 
@Papayaman1000 Btw I'm not sure what you mean by that "well..." given you didn't finish the sentence.
 
@doppelgreener The link's title was meant to finish that.
 
if it's "people have done stuff like that before" well, that's probably what gave me this trail of thought.
@Papayaman1000 Oh, okay. That didn't come across.
 
4:11 PM
anyone have any good adventurer league recommendations for 3 new rpg playes (and 1 experienced DM0
 
["Well... Beethoven Was an Alien Spy"]
 
probably looking for a more narrative structure than a sandbox
I also dont wanna run lost mine of phandelver for the 5th time
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Given how many excavatable abandoned mines I've dropped in this campaign alone, it's maybe time I buy that book.
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith masters of umdaar. :D
knights of invasion or morts
[tongue-in-cheek, these aren't D&D]
 
Oh, man. Morts would be horrible as a D&D project. And Knights of Invasion would probably just be kinda boring.
 
4:14 PM
How I wish there was a utility to give a certain resource priority of bandwidth...
 
@BESW oh dear goodness, i didn't mean to imply play them in the D&D system. that'd be terrible.
 
@doppelgreener heh
@Papayaman1000 you can do it at the port level through your router most likely
but youd need to configure the software to use specific ports
 
[sigh] The worst thing about taxes is that Guam has modified forms which tax software doesn't know about, so I have to copy everything onto the real forms by hand.
Which means re-calculating everything because the numbers get shifted around.
 
@BESW eww
 
So I use the tax software and it gives me what an ordinary federal form would look like for my numbers, then I use that info to fill out the local versions of the federal forms, and the "state" forms.
 
4:21 PM
@BESW ahh
 
@BESW the only thing that makes this worse than my project to build a D&D 3.5e character value caculator is that I can delay my project as much as I want.
 
@DForck42 Yeah, Guamanians pay federal taxes but it doesn't all go to the same places as state residents. So there's a lot of "don't apply this deduction here, apply it over there instead" fiddly bits on the modified forms.
[yawn] I have the printed forms now, so I'll get a little sleep before I start the number-shifting. ttfn
 
@BESW O_o
 
@DForck42 Guam is a US territory and so is treated very differently from a US state.
The same goes for American Samoa, IIRC.
 
I love that one of the bigger mod detracts was like "umm, wtf?" to this: rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6913/1914
 
4:30 PM
Although American Samoa is even stranger since I think Guamanians are US citizens but American Samoans (or just Samoans?) are US nationals.
 
@Yuuki other than not wanting to break the magic number 50, I don't really understand why they aren't just officially part of the US (I know some of it is those NOT wanting to be a part of the US)
 
@DForck42 Politics.
 
@DForck42 Probably because Puerto Rico is still “ahead in line” in the queue for “wait, explain again why we aren't full members yet”, and that situation has a lot of unresolved angst around it. If Guam were the next obvious unresolved candidate for statehood, there would probably be more motion around it.
 
Specifically, party politics.
I don't recall exactly, but I think the US territories tend to lean liberal/Democratic and so a lot of the opposition to statehood is the belief that they would upset party balance.
 
ahh
 
4:35 PM
@Yuuki american samoa has the rawest deal
not us citizens
yes they are considered american nationals
they can apply for citizenship but it works like if they were foreigners, but they do have free movement and ability to work in the 50 states
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Which is made even more raw once you realize that there's an uninhabited bird sanctuary island that is a US territory and anyone born on that island is a US citizen.
 
@DForck42 there are usually local benefits to being a territory without being a state
@Yuuki oh Ive seen the CCP grey video
I know what you mean
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith like what?
 
also sometimes its not of benefit to the usa to grant statehood to a territory
see Puerto rico about to become insolvent
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Isn't WA also fighting off insolvency? I can see not wanting to pull in a territory that's in financial straits, but it's a bit ironic too.
 
4:40 PM
@JoshuaAslanSmith Puerto Rico becoming insolvent is in large part due to decisions made by Congress.
Although yes, there was also a lot of financial mismanagement by the Puerto Rican government.
 
@SevenSidedDie well its the difference between having a debt you have to pay legally and deciding not to pick up more debt obligations
@DForck42 Dont have to worry about your congress rep. doing something you dont like (jk)
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith lol
 
for some reason I thought they paid less federal tax but that is not true
 
@SevenSidedDie WA or WI?
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Yeah, that's the part that makes sense. Financially, it makes sense. In terms of cosmic justice, it's less sensical. “You're ours, now and forever, but not when we don't want the responsibility” is the hard sell in terms of justice.
 
4:42 PM
I guess they do have access to the us courts and federal programs and are defended by the us military so thats a net workout
 
I thought Wisconsin is the one in financial troubles right now, not Washington?
 
@SevenSidedDie destiny was not going to manifest itself
 
@Yuuki Is it WI too? I was pretty sure a wet coast state was in financial trouble, and it wasn't California, so either OR or WA. But maybe that's out of date and over with.
 
@SevenSidedDie Oh, I don't know about WA. I just know that WI has been in the news recently with financial problems.
 
@Yuuki thank you
 
4:58 PM
Just gonna toss out that an election chatroom has been setup
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@GraceNote Thanks gracenote
 
@Yuuki Hm, the only articles on a WA budget crisis that I can find date to 2009 and 2010. I am clearly Mr Current Events. (It seems like they had a crisis, and are still managing the fallout today, but avoided actual insolvency.)
 
5:12 PM
Just some clarification - there is no necessary rush to determine the slot count exactly now, so discussion is free to continue. The number of slots to be appointed can be changed at any time during the election, though preferably it is best done before the voting phase begins. A runner up can also be appointed some time after the election if the need is called for, assuming that there was enough support and competition during the election. No matter the slot count, everyone always gets to split their vote among 3 candidates, so considering using those to support a potential runner up as well. — Grace Note ♦ 19 mins ago
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that sounds good
@GraceNote thanks for clarifying
 
5:29 PM
reopen votes if you concur its ready for the site now
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith I dunno. Asking for if the designers made a mistake seems awfully subjective.
 
@NautArch It's not subjective, but it is potentially unanswerable. the only proper answer will be a designer statement either confirming that there was a mistake, or confirming that there wasn't one
 
@NautArch the first draft was "Do you think it should have darkvision"
vs
Did the designers overlook giving the sabertooth tiger darkvision
as adam says the first is lots of subjectivity the 2nd is a binary yes/no that may not be answered dude to lack of source material
but that doesnt make it an invalid question
 
I get the difference, but I see it more as @Adam's concern
 
given that jeremey crawford is pretty active in answering tweets
 
5:34 PM
Also, is it bad form to add content from one answer into yours?
 
and Ive had tweets answerd by him and mike mearls regarding rules claifications
I think its a doable thing
 
Is "there might not be enough info out there to answer this well but I'm not sure" a close reason?
 
so...they're asking us to do their legwork for them? :D
 
@NautArch No, as long as your answer isn't just "Yeah, what they said: [insert copied text here]"
 
@Adam Sometimes posting a quote of the revelvant rules material is a fully valid answer
 
5:36 PM
As long as you are either fleshing out the same concept in a different way, or you are expanding a common argument you are fine.
 
@Adam was thinking more of rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/98246/…
wanting to add the detail from Andras answer to show the counter example.
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Yes, but that doesn't mean that you can't break it down maybe, or go into it in more detail. but if somebody said "The rules are found on page ## of book ABC" and you say "As this other answer says: the rules are on page ## of book ABC" That would be a duplicate answer.
Which at the very least is bad form
@NautArch I don't think it would be bad form, you're just trying to make the best answer possible.
 
I mean obviously the 1 that included a little explanation is a better answer
 
I just cited Andras' answer in mine rather than restate it completely. THat does some a little duplicatory/duplicitous.
 
@NautArch I would suggest removing the word 'below' from your last paragraph, since currently your answer is at the bottom of the list
 
5:45 PM
@NautArch You should also add a link to his answer directly. And make sure, as usual, that you protect your answer from link rot
Just in case he ever deletes that answer
 
Is it better to just include it directly?
 
always better to include text as quotes with a link back then merely rely on a link
 
A link to an answer on this site works similarly to a reference anwhere else on the internet, think of it that way
 
okay, fixed it...better?
 
Much better
 
5:50 PM
grazie
 
upvotes awarded
 
6:08 PM
@Delioth Sorry I stepped on your edit, there.
 
6:25 PM
@DuckTapeAl Don't worry about it; I just care that the edit gets made
 

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