TRPG General Chat

Shalvenay

1:41 AM

hey there @Emrakul

user61230

Heyo!

BESW

[wave]

user61230

[waves back!]

Shalvenay

how're things going?

user61230

Going pretty well, actually! How about you?

BESW

1:44 AM

Shalv and I are about to play a voice-chat game of Pilgrims of the Flying Temple with a visually impaired Stacker who's looking to get into RPGs.

user61230

Oh, man, that sounds neat!

BESW

So far we've played Dungeon World, Fate Accelerated, Roll For Shoes, and Lasers & Feelings.

user61230

How've they been enjoying it?

BESW

Trying to get a sense of what kind of system/story she likes, and what works for her situation.

Shalvenay

VI's been having a pretty good time AFAICT -- Fate seems to be her cup of tea so far

trogdor

1:46 AM

Fate is just about the most flexible system of the ones you guys have tried

BESW

She's been having fun with the stories, but games like Dungeon World require too much checking-of-mechanics-during-play.

user61230

Huh, neat! Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

trogdor

Pilgrims was fine when I tried it, but it honestly didn't grab my interest too much

user61230

I'd imagine something more narrative-oriented would be both more intuitively easier and accessible.

BESW

Roll For Shoes is probably her favourite overall, but for long-form games she wants a bit more complexity--just not "have to read it during play" complexity.

user61230

1:47 AM

(And more fun, but that's just me.)

nitsua60

@BESW mind if I lurk?

BESW

Feel free.

nitsua60

thanks

nitsua60

3:02 AM

ugh, just wrote three unnecessary functions =\

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 I'm trying to reckon how to represent executable code in a relational way xD

so far, I've come up with a linear predicated language (predicated assembler, no GOTOs, although if you wanted Turing completeness you could add GOTOs)

and a way of representing S-expressions as (token, parent) pairs

Joel Harmon

4:04 AM

@Magician It's multiverses all the way down, unless they've implemented tail call recursion (in which case it's just remaking the multiverse in the same place forever)

Shalvenay

@JoelHarmon haha, good one

also hey there @daze413 and @JoelHarmon

Joel Harmon

that's what I get for taking a break from coding to read the RPG stack. I sometimes forget that not everyone is a programmer.

also, @Shalvenay, executable code as relational data seems like quite the impedance mismatch. Mind if I ask what for, in an X Y Problem way?

daze413

4:23 AM

heya @Shalvenay . Was just popping by for anything interesting

BESW

4:49 AM

goat is out of toner https://twitter.com/Strange_Animals/status/792663605518802944

Tweeted by JessiSheron on November 29, 2016 at 3:56 AM

trogdor

lol

that is quite the specific coloration

BESW

That's what you get for trying to print an all-black goat on white paper. Next time just use black paper.

trogdor

hey, I have not been printing goats

BESW

People who enjoyed this ruminant also enjoyed the Valais blacknose sheep.

Miniman

5:20 AM

@JoelHarmon Hence why UML is never a good idea :)

Fibericon

7:20 AM

Hey all. I dipped my feet into grid maps again for a cave. Thoughts? imgur.com/Zvwc5Lo

Powerdork

7:34 AM

What does a grid square represent?

BESW

What kind of input are you looking for? Texture critique, printability, tactical usefulness...?

Fibericon

@Powerdork 5 square feet. I'm going for the D&D 5e typical unit of movement.

@BESW Anything you can think of, really. This is going into my first (self) published adventure.

BESW

It's a nice texture but it repeats a bit too frequently, which is especially noticeable because it repeats exactly in time with the grid.

Powerdork

5x5 to a square? I believe it's a bit cramped, which could make for an interesting limitation in an encounter. Doesn't quite tell you just what happens if you're in a space that's partially filled in with wall (or which spaces those are). Do the core rules do that?

BESW

If you're expecting any gridded tactical encounters, there are a lot of weird half-squares which will slow the encounter down because folks will argue about which are occupiable.

Fibericon

7:46 AM

@BESW Are you referring to the inside of the cave, the outside of the cave, or both? The outside is meant to be snow, but I seriously fail to properly understand how to represent white on white, so I ended up just using a repeating 200x200px grunge brush.

BESW

Outside of the cave, mostly.

Powerdork

@Powerdork For instance, one North and three West from the entrance: Can you stand there? What about one North, one West from the entrance? Two North?

Fibericon

@Powerdork Good point. I hadn't even thought of that. I mostly just thought, "this is a neat shape for a cave".

BESW

Also note, it's not a cave.

It's a thin-walled, strangely-shaped enclosure surrounded by snow.

There's no mass of stone around it as if it were a cliffside entrance; the best I can figure is that maybe it's got a ground-level entrance to a space underneath an otherwise featureless patch of snow?

Fibericon

The shape might have to be redone to work into the rules properly. Thanks for that.

@BESW You're right, I probably need to make the terrain have... something. This is what I was thinking of, basically, when I made this: w-dog.net/wallpaper/art-mountain-snow-cave-fire-viking/id/…

BESW

7:50 AM

Can someone stand on, say, square A-4?

Fantastic Maps has some good tips for this sort of thing.

Fibericon

Funny enough, I actually followed one of their photoshop tutorials while making this, but it was one of the ones that didn't involve a grid map, so they didn't touch on it.

Powerdork

I can see a variety of non-spaces that might be best ungridded entirely: the Northeast end, where it juts out into the corners of two spaces, the space two North and three West from the entrance, and the spaces two North and three North from the entrance. No feasible way for a character whose height is measured in feet to occupy those places, so best not to treat them as space (indoors, at least), no matter what you do for the other partial spaces.

Fibericon

So if I understand the general feedback, clean up the line to make it more obvious where you can stand, and make the snow area have some features, possibly greater varying the snow texture especially. I have another map I did yesterday if you guys wouldn't mind critiquing a second.

BESW

I'd also consider the method of distribution.

As someone who used to print out a lot of maps, I really appreciated ones that went light on the dark shading.

Fibericon

You know, I considered that too. What would you think of having the map twice, once with all the visual stuff, and once in a printer friendly way?

Here's the other map I was referring to: imgur.com/Fk35PhP

BESW

7:57 AM

@Fibericon Those make me warm and fuzzy inside, though my greatest respect is for publications that manage to do awesome designs which are already printer-friendly.

Fibericon

I'll keep that in mind. Kind of hard to imagine how that would be done at the moment, but something might strike me if I keep at it.

Powerdork

@Fibericon Got any set dressing you're tossing in? Lighting? Obstacles? Wooden platforms dangling on a chain over a bottomless pit?

BESW

That difficulty is why I have great respect for those who make it work.

For example, in my designs I try to work in black and white first so that I don't use colour as a crutch to prop up poor composition.

Fibericon

@Powerdork Hmm, good point. It is a bit bland, isn't it?

BESW

@Fibericon Poor contrast between the floor and the walls makes it hard to distinguish interior barriers.

Repeated floor texture looks like a magic eye picture. Kinda distracting.

Powerdork

8:01 AM

Oh gosh, yeah, it's very visible, the teal and yellowed edges of those tiles.

(Even worse: I don't think there's any teal on there. Magic eye.)

My monitor colour profile, of course, being possibly somewhat rather different from a friend's, or a printed page.

BESW

[switches to primary monitor] There is yellow, though, which makes it much less printer-friendly for very little payoff.

And... yeah, that's a bit of cyan.

....I'm unsure what the room is for.

There's an entrance, and a big hall with four smaller rooms. It might be the ground floor of a keep, but has no indication of a first floor.

If it's a single-floor building, the lack of windows seems significant.

Fibericon

You're right, it is supposed to be the ground floor of a keep.

BESW

So how do you get to the upper floor? Fly?

Maps tell stories whether we want them to or not.

Fibericon

With the stairs I neglected to put in because I knew they were there and didn't consider that other people didn't have access to my brain, presumably.

Awesome. My first drafts need work, but now I at least know what some of the work should be. Thanks guys.

BESW

On the bright side: your designs are bold and confident. You're using texture with awareness, just need some polishing. The grids are pretty easy to see, especially in the first one; it's bad when grids vanish into the detail work.

Consider a bit of external isometric perspective for the first one, to indicate the cave's entrance.

You might want to even consider making the whole map isometric, or using some of the other tips from this page.

Fibericon

8:14 AM

Not a bad idea.

BESW

Part 2 for isometric maps.

And an example.

Powerdork

@BESW Thoughts on that: Isometric is tricky, because if people are using minis (and those are of a particular size), and there are a lot of bodies you expect to be there (imagine: a room full of summoned monsters against a mob of kobolds, plus PCs and bigger opponents), you've got to scale up the entire map after performing the instruction that article gives.

In addition to turning the long diagonal horizontal, you've now got to widen it further to allow people to fit all their minis vertically.

Virtual tabletops, or less broad tokens for tracking position, might sidestep this issue, but if you're publishing and at all taking print into consideration, well, this is a print consideration.

BESW

8:37 AM

Yeah. So again, context matters. If this is something intended for r20...

doppelgreener

9:37 AM

@BESW @Fibericon I had trouble making out where the walls are too.

daze413

@BESW ( '_') whoa...

doppelgreener

Suddenly I want to play Diablo 2 again.

Miniman

@doppelgreener I had that urge recently. It's a dangerous rabbit hole.

trogdor

I am glad I never started it

I have a feeling I would continuously be sucked back in

doppelgreener

@Emrakul I recognise this bug. I have Android Chrome with Google Keyboard, and sometimes if I'm on a chat page and hit a link, when I return to the source page I can't type letters. A page refresh sets things right again.

trogdor

9:43 AM

I loved what little I played of like, Torchlight, and games such as Baldurs Gate, which were relatively similar

Miniman

@trogdor I don't know about Torchlight, but Baldurs Gate is completely dissimilar.

doppelgreener

Torchlight is definitely similar.

trogdor

well, not in every way

doppelgreener

It's Diablo made by the original Diablo developers.

(iirc)

trogdor

it was certainly not the same game, but it had plenty of similarities

perhaps the largest difference was that it might have had fewer moves and less gear variety

doppelgreener

9:45 AM

Baldur's Gate is comparable, Diablo is sorta like the one-player-character version of it, gameplay-wise. With no pausing.

trogdor

(IE of Baldurs Gate, not Torchlight, cause Torchlight is definitely way more similar)

Miniman

@doppelgreener What? I mean, if you multiplied the number of enemies by 100, and changed the combat to be several times faster, I guess...

trogdor

it isn't about how much you can nit pick the differences so much as that it did have its similarities

again, not trying to say it was the same game

just making a comparison based off of what I did enjoy about games that had similar elements that I liked

Miniman

Fair enough I guess - I just can't see much similarity there.

Anaphory

Baldur's Gate is very much on top of my list of computer games that I would play if only I played computer games, behind the original Portal and Planescape.

trogdor

9:50 AM

well, it's top down, play as a hero, go on quests, use abilities, kill stuff that drop some random loots

I believe, as I recall, that Baldurs gate even had some random extra elements to mobs you would fight too

Anaphory

It did have random encounters while travelling from map to map?

trogdor

I don't see how you could see no similarities, I can see how you could say they are pretty different games in some ways, but I definitely can't see saying they had nothing whatsover in common

@Anaphory I meant more the random modifiers on specific mobs

Anaphory

Okay, I don't know that stuff.

trogdor

though even if I am remembering right it was not brought to the same degree by any means as Diablo

Anaphory

The two times I seriously started it I buggered up my game some way into it through buggy mods.

trogdor

9:54 AM

I do think it had random encounters in between maps though

as I recall those were sometimes the only way to fight specific things, like a mermaid that dropped a particular type of loot or something or other

though that could have been Baldurs Gate II or something

it was a long time ago for me

Anaphory

My computer game frequency is a chunk of several hours once every one or two months, so when I run into something frustrating I probably won't play that same game for at least another half a year, at which point I likely have to re-install and start from the beginning and make different mistakes and relearn most of the strategy.

trogdor

mm, I make mistakes until I get something right, or until I complain about either my mistakes or the game in general until someone I know who has played it before tells me what I am doing wrong or points out that the problem is indeed the games fault

like what I did with Wiz 8

there were plenty of things I did wrong and things the game itself was not helpful enough with for a first time player

but I did beat it because I am stubborn

Anaphory

@trogdor I am so not stubborn.

BESW

Foolish me, I picked up all three Journeyman Project games over the Thanksgiving weekend, just when I've got a ton of deadlines.

trogdor

to be fair, my stubbornness might not show in very many situations other than games

or reading

BESW

10:01 AM

(I've only ever played JP3 before.)

Anaphory

If it's a puzzle game, okay. I can be. Mastermind beats lack of Conqueror. But otherwise? Nah.

trogdor

fair enough

I do hate being frustrated, but especially when I have already had any amount of fun with a game before the frustration happened, I feel like if I can push through it, then it is worth the effort

and I do have the inclination to show a game that has frustrated me who is boss

unless it smells like said game is just bad

eimyr

bleep

Anaphory

@trogdor I totally lack that. I tend to deinstall a game that has frustrated me.

trogdor

bloop

BESW

10:07 AM

I have so many achievables!

Anaphory

blop

eimyr

Oh, @Trogdor has a new avatar. And it's Raziel!

trogdor

@Anaphory that is fine, I can definitely understand that at least

@eimyr indeed, did you play Soul Reaver?

eimyr

This reminds me of the time I wanted to give one of my PCs the Spectral Reaver

@trogdor I did and it was awesome and then they started playing with multiple timelines and they lost me. Defiance was fantastic though.

Anaphory

@BESW Didn't play RPGs yesterday, played board games instead. Now the tentative plan is Firefly RPG for next week. Maybe genericised, maybe something else of similar flavour, but I am looking forward to trying out Cortex Plus.

trogdor

10:08 AM

@eimyr I feel mostly the same way, the time travel was something they could have done better in an otherwise mostly great series of games

BESW

@Anaphory I'm eager to try Faith Corps once @doppelgreener's wrapped himself around it.

trogdor

though I did also feel a little like the two protagonists made up with each other a little faster than their history should have allowed

eimyr

@trogdor Time Travel is skub.

Um, actually, I'm not sure they did make up with each other.

trogdor

@eimyr they kinda did

at the end

eimyr

I think they finally understood each other, but it was at the point where the situation was beyond saving.

trogdor

10:10 AM

I don't want to say more than that because at least one person in the chat might play Soul Reaver

eimyr

In a way, the plot was reminiscent of a greek tragedy.

trogdor

@eimyr that is certainly a fair comparison

eimyr

Not a bar, but plays one on TV

I'm not a place to unwind after work, but I play one on TV.

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Powerdork

Today in battlefield design concepts found from clicking around on Wikipedia: dragon's teeth.

(I got to this subject from Czech hedgehogs, which I got to from hedgehogs, the naval weapon, which I got to from a stream where the players asked why proximity mine shaped like a cartoon hedgehog is a stock game asset.)

BESW

"Czech hedgehog" sounds like a euphemism.

eimyr

10:14 AM

@BESW For what?

BESW

I daren't speculate.

Powerdork

@Powerdork These can also be seen in the Toblerone line, the Wikipedia page for which was at one point (in someone's opinion) dreadfully lacking in images.

user61230

@doppelgreener Yeah, it was weird. I tried refreshing, it didn't work.

user61230

I still can't type letters into SE chat on my phone.

user61230

I'm glad it's not just me, though. I'm glad I'm not insane. (I'm not insane. I'm not insane. I'm glad.)

eimyr

10:28 AM

@Emrakul your last line looks like song lyrics, complete with supporting chorus repeating between verses.

user61230

I'm glad it's not just me.
I'm glad I'm not insane.
I'm not insane.
I'm not insane.
And now I can be free.

user61230

(Tales of the Ludicrous-Sounding Bug Report.)

user61230

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Q: A bug in chat has taken my voice away. My letters vanish as I write them. Please send help

This is going to sound insane. I swear I'm not insane. You have to believe me. I need you to believe me. Mobile chat won't let me type letters. Punctuation? Fine. Letters? They completely vanish as soon as I type them. I don't know where they're going. I think they're being eaten. Swallowed up, ...

user61230

@doppelgreener

eimyr

@Emrakul Yeah! Blackpool, are you with me? I'm glad, I'm glad Everyone! I'm not yet insane! I can be free and soar against the skies of mindscaaaaapeeeeee! I love you guys! I'glad, I'm glaaaad!

Anaphory

10:38 AM

@BESW Where actually is Faith Corps? I have difficulties finding it, and what I find is hacks that don't even make it clear to me whether it's Fate or Cx+ or both.

BESW

It's a hybrid of Fate and Cx+, found in the Demon Hunters RPG and hacked mercilessly by everyone, even Tibetan monks.

Anaphory

Okay, then I did get the right gist. I haven't encountered any monks yet, though.

doppelgreener

@BESW Tibetan monks? Truly?

BESW

@doppelgreener Sorry, that's just the hyperbole talking.

Doomed Mind

I more and more feel like I'm in some kind of RPG world. My government wants to use my tax money to break into my stuff, so I can't hide things I don't want anybody not involved to see. Oo

doppelgreener

10:45 AM

@BESW hahaha

BESW

@Anaphory Correction: it's found in the Demon Hunters: A Comedy of Terrors RPG. It's a derivation/rebuild of the original, so far as I can tell.

eimyr

11:13 AM

@BESW I see you reduced your Timely RPGery greatly

BESW

Yeah, there was some concern that quantity was overwhelming quality, and an appeal to turn it into a curated highlights reel.

eimyr

I find it doesn't fulfil its purpose of introducing (me) to new stuff I didn't hear about already.

Sooo to me the demand for quality seems to have silenced less-known gems that I thought it was supposed to be all about.

BESW

The pin is to help folks not miss out on time-sensitive things they'd be interested in.

Given the overwhelming lack of response to my repeated requests for help figuring out what sorts of things the Stack would be interested in, I have two choices: feature everything, or pick a few things to feature based on my own criteria.

eimyr

I vote feature everything.

Doomed Mind

@BESW I don't even know where you'd asked that. Then again, I havent been here consistently in the last 2-3 months I guess.

My Experience though is t hat most things you seem to consider interesting are also of interest to me-

BESW

11:24 AM

The most recent conversation, which led to more active curation, started here and continued here. The pin itself has a request for content, and for the first several months of the pin I'd ask for requests and feedback at least once a week.

I do get one or two suggestions for something to add to the pin every month, and I appreciate that.

I'd already cut out all the minis and tiles events, because that would've drowned out everything else.

eimyr

Yeah, the material offers are indeed overwhelming

minis, tiles, dice and tokens are very popular among KS-proposers. Can't say if the supporters are equally enthused.

BESW

From what I've seen, mini KSes clear their minimums and hit stretch goals with more regularity than any other broad type of RPG-related Kickstarter.

But that's in part because so many of them are a handful of reliable companies churning out campaigns practically back-to-back, which system designers just can't do. It takes longer for game publishers to develop a solid reputation as reliable Kickstarterers of quality products.

Also, minis are more collectible than games because you don't have to change campaigns to use the new ones.

(And the crossover with wargamers doesn't hurt; hitting two demographics at once must be huge.)

eimyr

I guess I just don't get collectibles.

Or minis.

BESW

11:44 AM

I've tried several collecting hobbies and none of them ever stuck.

...Unless you count collecting PDFs of free RPGs.

Magician

@BESW Do you count counting the collected free PDFs as a hobby?

BESW

If hobbies are supposed to be a healthy way to unwind and get perspective, no.

Although, I could probably make a hobby out of counting the hobbies I don't have.

Magician

Here's one for you: wartime golf

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BESW

Philately, numismatics, knitting, bonsai, dog grooming, archery, lockpicking, historical reenactment...

I used to spelunk.

eimyr

12:00 PM

Spelunking sounds like something alcohol-related.

BESW

It's the noise a Jägerbomb makes, obviously.

eimyr

That's why

doppelgreener

@Magician "7. A player whose stroke is affected by the simultaneous explosion of a bomb may play another ball from the same place. Penalty one stroke." Is that penalty really necessary?

Magician

Absolutely. Otherwise a player may be incentivized to time their strikes with falling bombs.

BESW

...now I'm thinking vague thoughts about a card-based party game about wartime golf.

doppelgreener

12:12 PM

@Fibericon The area around the cave will be black because it is solid rock. Put snow at the entrance if you like.

Magician

@BESW An asymmetrical game, with most players as golfers but one as bomber pilot

BESW

I was thinking of face cards being enemy action and wartime hazards, but I like that too.

Magician

Speaking of games, is there any chance you've still got the icons you made for me, in svg? (I have their jpg version)

I'm tantalizingly close to doing something with the bloody thing, it's been long enough.

BESW

I'm sure I've still got them buried somewhere, and I can probably finalise them a bit fairly easily.

But not this week, I'm el swampo.

Magician

Eel Swamp

doppelgreener

12:18 PM

ol swampy

Magician

A dreadful place. Not to be confused with Eel Swap, a delightful high society party game.

doppelgreener

@Magician avoid taking hovercrafts through here

Magician

@doppelgreener Nonono, see, you're confusing it.

BESW

Program, pamphlet, two price quotes, doctor appointment, three classes, magazine template, broken AC, four ready-for-print PDFs, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Magician

@BESW Welp, you're definitely more busy than I am. Let me know when you have time and desire, I'd appreciate your assistance.

I mean, the icons are mostly fine, and I'm making do with jpg, so it's not necessary.

BESW

12:26 PM

Since we started that project I've, you know, actually made some logos.

Magician

The biggest thing I've discovered, from using some of the icons from game-icons.net, is how much thicker they make them. Which helps when viewing the icon from a distance.

BESW

Yeah, my vision to use that kind of solid-shape concept in the final.

If you want to use game-icon images where you can and just have me fill in the gaps, I can try to match the style.

Magician

Well, I've tried to find replacements today, for consistency, and some concepts they simply don't have. But if it'll lighten your load, I can pick the ones they do have.

BESW

Let's start with that and see how it goes.

Lovecraftian Newspaper Filler Articles

Fibericon

12:49 PM

@BESW When you think of printer friendly and detailed, is this the sort of thing you have in mind? albinjohnson.com/d&d/resources/maps/cavern-barracks.jpg

BESW

Pull the sepia background on the gridwork to white, ditto brown background on the featureless solid rock.

Then we're talking.

For added points, can we please get some contrast in here? If you grayscale that image, things like the difference in colour between a bed and a rock get a lot less different.

In other words: texture over fills, and not relying on colour alone to make a point.

(Even a colour printer is going to be unreliable in how it turns out.)

Background fills are often just useless ink-wasters; if you must use them, use them lightly both in frequency and in brightness.

doppelgreener

Fibericon

Pretty much all map examples I can find fail your requirements. Do you have a favorite you can link me?

doppelgreener

i greyscaled it

BESW

I haven't used pre-made maps in.... four, five years? [goes digging]

Magician

1:02 PM

@BESW I've sent you a link to a doc (the same one we've used a looong time ago) over hangouts, with current icons and likely alternatives. When you get some time.

BESW

Can't remember where I got that originally; it wasn't always called Stone's Throw.

Fibericon

Hmm, okay. Problem is, I can't draw. Photoshop is my only real tool here.

BESW

Fibericon

That's closer to my skill level.

BESW

See how that one only has rock fill right next to the important bits, and goes to white everywhere else?

Fibericon

1:07 PM

Right. I got this idea in my head that every part of the image needed to be gridded, in case they lead the werewolf on a merry chase or something.

BESW

Grids are one thing. Fills are another.

Again, Fantastic Maps talks about hatching better than I can.

Hatching gives more information with less ink than fills, and doesn't lean on colour to do it.

doppelgreener

@BESW another concern: vast dark areas mean a lot of ink. of the various printers i've handled, some would spit the page out with those areas having wavy, distorted paper. probably recent printers are much better with that.

BESW

@doppelgreener Yeah, that's going to depend on the kind of paper more than the printer, mostly.

Typing paper isn't designed to handle solid swathes of ink.

Hence hatching.

And if you DO need to run a solid chunk of ink for some reason, make it light.

(Same reason watercolour paper has to be really thick, and if you use thin paper you can't really do washes.)

(For many years, I used a pad of very cheap watercolour paper too thin to paint on, for printing my own business cards. Unique texture, and it absorbed the ink in a way that looked very 'professional.')

Anaphory

1:26 PM

@BESW What for? I used to very much like the Harn maps.

BESW

@Anaphory The context is maps which are designed to be friendly for a home printer.

Anaphory

Ah, generically? Hm.

Hârn-style outdoor maps don't help much, but the indoor ones might be nice, let me try to find that one again to see how well they are for underground…

BESW

I'm definitely not saying it's the only way to do maps. It's a style I like personally, but I like other styles too.

Anaphory

Ah, no, solid black.

It's definitely good and justified criteria for that purpose.

BESW

Just, there are some common design choices which snooker a map's friendliness to the LCD home printer.

Fibericon

1:32 PM

I think I'm going to go ahead and do two versions of each map - printer friendly and not so much. I like the more detailed textures, but I see the want for less ink used.

Anaphory

@Fibericon That's very helpful!

BESW

Hmm. [goes digging]

This is an aggressive example of a printer-friendly character sheet, with the first page being the full colour-and-design version.

Evil Hat does a lot of printer-friendly alternate PDFs.

Fibericon

I obviously haven't addressed a lot of the feedback from earlier today, but how's this for a printer friendlier take? imgur.com/THibWte

BESW

(They're also some of the best in the business for accessibility tagging.)

BESW

1:45 PM

@Fibericon Back in my mappy days I'd be a lot happier with that one.

nitsua60

3:45 PM

@Fibericon would it be hard to represent some sloping at the join of walls and floor? I mean, there's rarely a 90-deg. corner where a cave wall meets a cave floor. Then those grid spaces which are partial-floor/partial-wall could actually be sloped, and count as difficult terrain? (Where full-floor spaces are presumed "flat enough.")

Fibericon

@nitsua60 Hypothetically I'm sure it can be done. That cave is literally my second grid map ever, so I'm not really sure how to do a lot of things.

eimyr

4:51 PM

@BESW Do you know Masks is on offer on DTRPG? Under a tenner it seems!

drivethrurpg.com/product/193258/…

doppelgreener

@Fibericon Super. And way more legible. Don't forget the staircase ;)

Anaphory

5:57 PM

What's the best way to dive into the Firefly RPG without having a physical copy to jump forwards and backwards in?

As in, I have a new digital copy, but normally, I prefer reading physical books for the easier ability to flick through.

doppelgreener

6:08 PM

@Anaphory I recommend diving into it with a PDF reader.

[adds another sticker to his "i helped someone today" merit book]

Anaphory

Well, yes. But I'm not very interested in its setting details, I want to know how the game works, not what Reaver's stats are or how to model the train from The Train Job.

Zachiel

8:40 PM

@doppelgreener I'm trying to set up a Discord server. Add another sticker to your merit book if you can teach me how to move a bot to a different chat.

@BESW or anyone else who used Discord before can also help, but that's one sticker less for our green pal...

BESW

@Zachiel Give the bot a role, add that role to every chat you want the bot in.

Zachiel

Thanks.

doppelgreener

9:02 PM

[adds a sticker to his own book anyway]

Zachiel

lol

Not a bar, but plays one on TV

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