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BTW, moving back to the rap thing for a moment, I found the Rap Critic to be a good jumping-on point for hooking rap and hip-hop into my existing musical schema.
Taking a ruleset that was designed to at least partially simulate reality, and treating it as ironclad physics for a world where you ignore any difference between the simulation and IRL reality?
Speaking as someone whose group enjoyed translating 4e mechanics into PoL physics, it can be a fun mental exercise.
@DuckTapeAl I find it alien (and unfun) myself, but I know that there are lots of people who do enjoy it.
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Yopp.
23:02
@Anaphory 'Allo!
@BESW PoL?
Points of Light, the default 4e setting.
Points of Light?
It's a fantasy world that we know doesn't follow IRL physics, just from its basic description.
(The stars are baleful watchers peering down on us from outside reality. That kinda throws out IRL physics from the start.)
Sort of makes me think of the Elder Scrolls cosmology.
In that, the stars are holes torn in the veil of Aetherius by the departing Ehlnofey, and the sun is the hole torn by Magnus, the god of magic.
23:06
@BESW Not really. That's the old "but magic" canard, which taken to its own logical extreme means that a GM can say "oh, your backpack is empty when you look for your potion. It fell 'up' earlier. Because magic!" We can still expect a certain amount of internal consistency even after adding magic.
@DuckTapeAl Did the Ehlnofey leave because someone made fun of their name?
@SevenSidedDie Yes, but the internal consistency demonstrably doesn't follow our familiar laws.
@DuckTapeAl Fun fact, TES metaphysics was partially inspired by an RPG. :)
No, they left in a huff because Lorkhan tricked Magnus into making Nirn.
> One day Princess Miserella rode out of the palace in a huff. (A huff is not a kind of carriage. It is a kind of temper tantrum. Her usual kind.)
@BESW Yes. It just doesn't void all expectations. It voids the ones that it must and, Occam's Razor, leaves the rest intact. Else we get potions falling up and 2+2=17 for no reason.
23:08
I generally agree.
But it rips open a big hole for seeing leaky mechanical abstractions as non-leaky physical laws.
@BESW Yes. :) What a strange metaphysics does do is grant permission to expand on the existing changes. It just doesn't make those further changes all itself.
Aye.
My point, I guess, is that it's clear the rules aren't simply an abstraction of our reality.
@BESW Yes, they're clearly not.
I think the impulse to ground them out as the physics is an inverted simulationist urge. Valid, but conflicts with those who just want to accept the rules as a non-simulationist thing that's somewhat detached from the fiction's physics.
Like, imagine if someone tried to argue that the rules necessitated a reification of Fate points. It would be quite the acrimonious debate.
I'm very surprised, on reflection, how much my groups were able to tacitly agree on where to draw the lines for this sort of thing.
@BESW It sounds like you have a group that's long since reached the Performing stage, so maybe not so surprising. You likely have a very good collective grasp of each other and how to just get on with things effectively.
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The surprising bit, I suppose, is that I'm talking about my old D&D 3.5 and 4e groups, which somehow arrived at that stage more organically and less consciously than my current group.
(There's another potential pat answer to the many group problem questions: "You're still Storming. You'll either fall apart or figure it out.")
Must run to fetch das Kind. Later!
ttfn
Does someone know how to run a successful peaceful revolution? In particular, as L5R Asahina Shugenja against the Maho-tainted Emperor of Rokugan? And how do I find japanese fiction (theatre, pillow books, whatever) about lords being overthrown or falling due to their own greed or similar?
@Anaphory Ping @trogdor: Request for Japanese fiction recommendations!
@SevenSidedDie -- if I ever get to the point where I have a char who can cast wish -- they will wish 2+2=19 just to spite you :P
23:35
I wonder what happens if you wish to make pi a whole number.
Or just take a decimal off the Planck Constant.
The mathematician in me wants to counter with “Define pi, and define whole number”. But I know it will lead nowhere.
The Planck Constant on the other hand…
I don't think you'd survive this, but I would guess that depending on the order of magnitude, something would still exist afterwards, and might even for interesting structures.
Could I survive long enough to get XP for it?
[asks the real questions]
Anyway, must dash, ttfn.
Maybe. And if your universe is infinite, and some other properties hold, you might get infinite XP.
tata
LOLOL -- taking a few digits off the Planck constant
Good night, I'll come back with revolutionary questions.
23:56
@Shalvenay The standard GM response to that is to shift the character to a dimension where that's true. It would probably be existentially fatal.
Yep, definitely falls into the "too powerful, expect GM to twist in bad ways" category
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