Vyxal

user

00:28

@user Because it mutates the context's stack, and foo.bar is used for stuff that's just a property access (like ctx.peek). The convention is to use foo.bar() if bar mutates something

Steffan

00:40

ok so then on my Popper trait i should change that

that was a previous PR and you overlooked it I guess

Steffan

02:13

!!/lol u good there my epic dude

!!/status

@VyxalBot status

bot ded again lol

@hyper-neutrino

!!/status

lyxal

aww is bot ded

gosh dang

hyper-neutrino

02:53

:c

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@hyper-neutrino I am doing poggers.

hyper-neutrino

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk what went wrong

lyxal

03:23

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal I am doing you.

lyxal

excellent

hyper-neutrino

i don't think you need to edit it to something else first and then edit it back

i think you can submit an edit to the same content? not sure

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@hyper-neutrino I am doing you.

hyper-neutrino

yeah you can

Vyxal Bot

03:34

Lyxal created branch SE-Bot/more-status-commands

Lyxal opened PR #1 (Vyxal/SE-Bot) (Vyxal:more-status-commands → Vyxal:main): Update responses.yml

Steffan153 approved on PR #1 (Vyxal/SE-Bot): "perfect 🍪"

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino have I accidentally yaml'd inccorectly?

or is it good to merge?

hyper-neutrino

"i am doing breathing"?

lyxal

yeah

the grammar is fine I'm asking about syntax of the YAML

hyper-neutrino

uh i don't see any issues with it

is there an intentional blank at the end

lyxal

I'll call it intentional

hyper-neutrino

03:39

also is "stupidly" meant to have a period at the end? it already inserts one on its own

lyxal

ah I missed that one

I realised halfway through that it auto-appends

hyper-neutrino

lol

Vyxal Bot

Lyxal merged PR #1 (Vyxal/SE-Bot) (Vyxal:more-status-commands → Vyxal:main): Update responses.yml

Lyxal deleted branch SE-Bot/more-status-commands

lyxal

I'd !!/pull but that doesn't exist anymore

hyper-neutrino

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

03:44

@hyper-neutrino I am doing my tasks because I'm a crewmate not the impostor.

lyxal

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal I am doing maths.

lyxal

smart bot

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal I am doing it all over again.

lyxal

Ginger would like that

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

03:45

@lyxal I am doing lyxal's assignments.

lyxal

if only

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal I am doing you.

Steffan

→ 5 messages moved to Trash

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@Steffan I am doing my homework.

emanresu A

10:09

Myxal???

Vyxal Bot

chunkybanana opened issue #918 in Vyxal/Vyxal: Matrix contains builtin

emanresu A

10:28

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@emanresuA I am doing code golf.

emanresu A

@VyxalBot @lyxal This one should totally be ¬⋎ »₅

lyxal

11:48

@emanresuA hey shhh we don't mention that it's secret

Can't you see repo visibility is private?

user

15:06

Why is it private tho?

Seggan

Because it's a top secret playground. If it fails spectacularly not many will know about an attempted extremely complex kinda-no-point-in-making-it golflang

Although my current indications are that it'll be public very soon

The infrastructure I built for it is making it so much easier to handle modifiers

!!/issue Add JSON parse element Useful for JSON-related challenges. Already exists in Jyxal. Maybe make it øJ` for parity with Jyxal` element request difficulty: easy

Vyxal Bot

@Seggan You are not a privileged user. If you believe this is a mistake, please ask an admin to grant you permissions. [!!/promote 526756]

Seggan

...

i though ive been given perms, no?

user

@Seggan who cares if people know? There’s no shame in failing and no one cares anyway

Making it public would let other interested people help you

We don’t want to limit this to people in the org

Seggan

like anyone else helped me with jyxal? :p

user

15:13

Okay yeah but maybe people will help this time

Vyxal should be as open as possible

user

15:25

The current vyxal thing in cancas is…interesting: canvas.rto.run

Seggan

15:41

YEAAAA JYXAL

mathcat

16:11

in The Nineteenth Byte, 1 min ago, by Ginger

LOAD COOKIES FROM "COOKIES.DB"; REMOVE EVERY COOKIE OF COOKIELIST OF COOKIES; WHERE NOW OF TIME; MINUS AGE OF COOKIE; LIKE NUMBER IS MORE THAN MAXAGE OF COOKIES;; DUMP COOKIES TO "COOKIES.DB";

cookie

hyper-neutrino

16:26

!!/promote 526756

Vyxal Bot

@hyper-neutrino Seggan is now privileged.

PyGamer0

@Seggan correction: secet :p

Seggan

?

hyper-neutrino

@Seggan github.com/Vyxal/Myxal/commit/…

Seggan

ah

Steffan

16:38

!!/issue Add JSON parse element Useful for JSON-related challenges. Already exists in Jyxal. Maybe make it øJ for parity with Jyxal element request difficulty: average enhancement

Vyxal Bot

Vyxal-Bot opened issue #919 in Vyxal/Vyxal: Add JSON parse element

Steffan

also json stringify

wait but we dont have objects

so the json can only be arrays strings numbers

no objects

Seggan

16:50

check how jyxal implements it ;)

objects are literally [key, value or list of values]

that makes the map get operation O(n)

Steffan

17:20

oh right

Vyxal Bot

18:38

[Discord Relay]
mathcat#7047: !!/status

hyper-neutrino

nice try

Vyxal Bot

20:43

Steffan153 opened issue #920 in Vyxal/Vyxal: `to_base` (`τ`) does not work on negative bases

Seggan

21:16

why would you expect it to work

Vyxal Bot

21:36

SamMatzko opened issue #921 in Vyxal/Vyxal: ERROR: No matching distribution found for vyxal

user

@lyxal @emanresuA ^ any idea?

emanresu A

Nope

Vyxal Bot

22:20

SamMatzko opened issue #921 in Vyxal/Vyxal: ERROR: No matching distribution found for vyxal

user

lmao it seems to think the issue got reopened when it got closed

hyper-neutrino

huhh

Vyxal Bot

hyper-neutrino opened issue #921 in Vyxal/Vyxal: ERROR: No matching distribution found for vyxal

hyper-neutrino

weird

Vyxal Bot

hyper-neutrino opened issue #30 in Vyxal/Sandbox: a

hyper-neutrino closed issue #30 in Vyxal/Sandbox: a

hyper-neutrino reopened issue #30 in Vyxal/Sandbox: a

hyper-neutrino

22:35

ok

Vyxal Bot

22:50

Seggan publicized Vyxal/Myxal

Seggan

ooh fancy feature

user

Noice

I know no one's contributed to Jyxal yet but I'll be done with school after May so if you yell at me I'll implement some stuff (without taking the bounty because I don't really want/need it) :)

Seggan

IM YELLING AT YOU

lol

ty

also i think jyxal might be stopped if myxal goes well

in my mind, myxal is pretty much a renamed jyxal

Steffan

23:23

i might contribute to jyxal some time too

kotlin isn't quite as bad as java

it kind of tries to make it a bit better

user

Yup

Java is also not that bad if you have an IDE to help you out

And IntelliJ is honestly amazing

Steffan

true the ide helps

yes intellij is awesome but u have to pay

i dont have it

i guess i could use android studio lol

it would be so confused though

i mean i already have android studio

user

You don't have to pay for the free version

And you can get IJ Ultimate as a student (I assume you're a student)

Steffan

its a free trial right?

user

No

IntelliJ Community is completely free (and open source)

Steffan

23:32

oh, they have a student version?

user

It's not just for students, it's for everyone

Steffan

oh lol

user

IntelliJ Ultimate is paid and has a few extra features that you don't really need unless you're a professional, and you can get free access to it if you're a student

Steffan

cool

is it same with webstorm, pycharm, etc?

i mean that is intellij bruh

user

And I guess you can always use VS Code if needed

Steffan

23:33

any good vscode java plugins?

user

@Steffan PyCharm does have a free version iirc but idk about Webstorm and other Jetbrains IDEs

@Steffan The recommended one is decent I think (idk what it's called but it should be one of the first results and have a star next to it)

Steffan

ok i never looked at intellij, mainly just webstorm

i didnt know intellij had a free ver

i might use it

user

You should definitely try it out if you're going to use Java

It's not easy on your RAM but that's fine for most computers these days

Steffan

idk, prob not much

yes i have a 32 gig ram one

its awesome

user

Yeah you should be good

Steffan

23:35

ye webstorm isn't free

oh pycharm is

awesome

user

idk if you need PyCharm tbh because VS Code's Python server is pretty good and I've personally had mediocre experiences with PyCharm, but ymmv

Steffan

yeah vscode is good

i prob dont need it

Unrelated String

i've tried pycharm before and didn't especially like it either

not that i've used any other ide for python

i just use atom lmao

Steffan

atom?

try vscode sometime

atom isn't bad but vscode is way better

user

^ Atom is cool but it's laggy and the plugins are kinda abandoned

I wish VS Code looked as pretty as Atom

Unrelated String

23:39

i barely know how to use an ide for java so i don't see the point in using one for not java

hyper-neutrino

i use vscode for js only and atom otherwise

user

I mean, VS Code is just like Atom, an editor that kinda turns into an IDE with enough plugins

hyper-neutrino

mostly out of habit

user

Oh are you talking about Pycharm

hyper-neutrino

i use them as text editors and run code using wsl :P

Steffan

23:41

vscode is pretty

user

Yeah, it's kinda not that useful, didn't even have good support for Jupyter notebooks until last year iirc

@Steffan Not as pretty as Atom with One Dark Pro

Unrelated String

i don't use any atom plugins other than syntax highlighting
and most of the third party syntax highlighting is semi broken

Steffan

install one dark in vscode. that's what i use

it's pretty

user

It's not the same though

Unrelated String

oh also teletype since that's actually why i got it in the first place

user

23:42

Oh yeah that's cool

Unrelated String

@hyper-neutrino precisely

user

IJ recently got a thing for that

Unrelated String

i didn't even have python installed windows-side until yesterday

user

@hyper-neutrino I was going to say lol but you're probably serious aren't you

Steffan

wsl is awesome

i use it constantly

user

23:43

WSL2 even has GUI apps which feels...dirty but is so cool

Unrelated String

wait does it

user

Yup

Unrelated String

i have not seen that

user

Installed Nautilus and Emacs once lol

It was quite an experience

hyper-neutrino

@user yes i'm serious, that's how i do dev

Steffan

23:43

lol

Unrelated String

i do know at one point i tried to install and use an x server but gave up after two hours

user

@hyper-neutrino How do you do linting btw?

Seggan

@user meanwhile my computer with 8 gigs... its barely holding up myxal with 1.5G dedicated to it lol

Unrelated String

imagine linting

user

f

hyper-neutrino

23:44

@user i don't

user

Oh

hyper-neutrino

i have code formatters but i don't lint

user

I don't think I could handle that lol

I've gotten too complacent with my statically typed languages and IDEs

I will literally type all sorts of random crap in knowing it's probably wrong and then only correct it all at once after the IDE starts shouting

We should probably move this discussion or something

hyper-neutrino

lol yeah. where though, terminal?

Steffan

i dont lint

user

23:47

What's terminal?

Steffan

windows terminal

u havent used it?

Unrelated String

i think it's a room that was made yesterday for rp

user

Oh I thought hyper was talking about a room

Unrelated String

honestly coudl move to tnb lmao

Steffan

this dont got nothin to do with vyxal anymore

hyper-neutrino

23:48

The terminal

Code golf role playing I guess

user

It might screw with the pre-existing messages because chat will just insert them according to their time and then there'll be two conversations at once

Unrelated String

oh true

hyper-neutrino

i suppose it isn't really just a general off-topic though. we could honestly split vyxal into an on-topic / actual work room and just a general chatter room?

user

Unrelated but frick chat

Nah that seems too much

Just a general off-topic for all of cgcc chat maybe?

hyper-neutrino

true. this would be nice to have a TNB2 for but people don't want that... lol

user

23:49

Because other rooms (like canvas) have off-topic conversation too

hyper-neutrino

moving into TNB would, like you said, completely destroy the chat message order

user

@hyper-neutrino We could name it "Vyxal and Canvas overflow" so it isn't TNB2 technically

Steffan

the twentieth byte

hyper-neutrino

that already exists

Vyxal Bot

[Discord Relay]
Seggan#8111: or just go on vycord. im waiting for yall here

user

23:50

Really?

hyper-neutrino

yeah, it's the CGCC mod chat

user

Ah

Steffan

oh

@VyxalBot well it still relays here so

hyper-neutrino

i mean you could just not talk in se-chat-relay :P

Steffan

the twenty-iffrst byte

Vyxal Bot

23:51

[Discord Relay]
user0#3010: Yo <@516651203661266958>

hyper-neutrino

anyway, i guess another solution is just to accept off-topicness as long as nothing important is being discussed, though that does make it harder to backread. @lyxal what do you think

Vyxal Bot

[Discord Relay]
user0#3010: Or I could just talk in se-chat-relay. Gottem \:P
UnrelatedString#9744: true

hyper-neutrino

alternatively, we could go talk in the sandbox kek

user

Yeah Vyxal isn't that active so it's probably fine to keep thishere

@hyper-neutrino Honestly not a bad idea

hyper-neutrino

it's like, a network-wide off-topic room because it can be used for like literally anything :P i'll let lyxal decide how he wants this room to be

user

23:55

I think this conversation itself has died out so there's no point in us users moving lol (but the messages could still be moved)

Vyxal Bot

[Discord Relay]
Seggan#8111: hola

The terminal

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