Vyxal

lyxal

00:31

me and the boys defining a sinh function be like

@sinh:1|N"∆e¯½;

for the full hyperbolic trig library:

@sinh:1|N"∆e¯½;
@cosh:1|N"∆e∑½;
@tanh:1|@sinh; n @cosh; /;

these aren't built-in, just cool little demonstrations of function syntax

hyper-neutrino

00:47

@lyxal what is intended behavior for [a|b|c|d|e|f]

lyxal

hmmm

I think a = true, b = false and ignore the rest

hyper-neutrino

hm okay that's sensible

would you consider parsing that into an if-elif*-else chain?

wait hold on

does [] pop a value and switch on it

or does it switch on a function?

lyxal

switch on the value

hyper-neutrino

hm

lyxal

? 2% 0= [`even`|`odd`]

hyper-neutrino

00:49

ok so if-elif chain wouldn't make sense. unless... [a|b|c] could do like if a(pop()): b \ else: c

lyxal

e.g. n 15 % 0= [`FizzBuzz`|n 5 % 0=|`Buzz`|n 3% 0=|`Fizz`|n],

because then the last expression is always the else

and the first expression is always the if pop(stack): block

hyper-neutrino

okay, this makes sense

do the blocks of if right now receive the popped value and then return the TOS?

and what if they empty the stack

lyxal

[] will discard the value

if they empty the stack, it just takes implicit input

hyper-neutrino

hm. ok

!!/run 1[|0]W

Vyxal Bot

@hyper-neutrino ⟨⟩

hyper-neutrino

00:55

!!/run 1[ |0]W

Vyxal Bot

[@hyper-neutrino: 58701152]
0

STDERR:
expected an indented block (<string>, line 7)
Most recently popped arguments: []
Final stack: []

lyxal

._.

hyper-neutrino

:)

ah so [...] always pops, and pop will just take input if it needs to?

lyxal

correct

hyper-neutrino

and if it runs out of input it just cycles

lyxal

00:56

correct

hyper-neutrino

cool, makes sense :D

lyxal

02:05

@hyper-neutrino what do you think of my list of potential token types?

hyper-neutrino

03:37

@lyxal those are more so parse tree node types but in terms of that those look good

basically what I envision is

the tokenizer will just take the code and produce a list of tokens

it will be responsible for grouping literals (and decoding them where applicable) and digraphs

and then the parser will take these tokens and turn it into a structure similar / ideally identical to what parse.py's Tokenize does right now

oh, btw, what does variables_are_digraphs do?

and can multicharacter variable names exist, and if so, what characters should be legal

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino those are the default

Upper-case, lower-case and underscore

@hyper-neutrino that's for if you want to use the flag that makes it so that variable names are only 1 letter long

hyper-neutrino

ah

so you can avoid needing the space

i see

lyxal

Try it Online!

hyper-neutrino

nice

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino so then how do you su-

ggest grouping names?

e.g: function names and variable names

hyper-neutrino

03:49

oh yeah, i forgot that was a thing

i mean those can be done by the parser

by just grouping tokens that are alnum

although that is rather hacky

lyxal

Python tokenises names before parsing

hyper-neutrino

yeah, so the tokenizer will need context

lyxal

That's where I got some of those token names from

@hyper-neutrino context?

hyper-neutrino

like, if it scans a set/get variable it needs to start grouping a name

lyxal

That's what I was imagining it would need to do

hyper-neutrino

03:58

i forgot vyxal had that

most languages either group identifiers always (practical) or never (most golfing languages)

PyGamer0

05:13

parser.py and parse.py¿

hyper-neutrino

yes

parse.py is the old file

lexer.py and parser.py are the new files i am creating

... I did put them in my branch, right?

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino we should create a parser/tokeniser spec first

Detailing how the pipeline works

And detailing what turns into what

hyper-neutrino

yeah, it's marginally more complicated than what i anticipated due to variable and function naming

that's probably a good start, at which point i can also probably abandon the current format

lyxal

Put it in the specs folder on the fb branch

I'll add my input to it later today

hyper-neutrino

> I've probably missed a whole lot in my attempts to obtain a 69 readability score within Grammarly. I failed btw.

lyxal

05:22

Of course, I can make the first draft later if you want

@hyper-neutrino shush it was late at night

hyper-neutrino

i'll probably draft up something in a bit

@lyxal lol imagine being up late at night

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino There's no pressure to do so

hyper-neutrino

it's alright i'm just playing genshin impact right now anyway, i have nothing important to do xD

lyxal

lol. just as long as you find it somewhat fun ;p

just a reminder to come and share your opinion on having type annotations inside the rewritten vyxal source

!!/hyperping

Vyxal Bot

@AaronMiller @Ausername @PyGamer0 @hyper-neutrino @lyxal @math @pxeger @user ^

lyxal

05:35

Shouldn't the hyperping have ^^ instead of just ^

hyper-neutrino

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

there are many better ways it could be done

lyxal

Also, a message should be allowed to be passed as an argument

A username

07:19

@AaronMiller How does that work in the first place?

Btw Vylight fixes / doc stuff are ok to push directly to main right?

Also can we have flags for rendering the output as HTML / evaling as JS (both iframe), and a couple of builtins to go with that? (e.g. 'p', 'Hello world' => '<p>Hello world</p>')?

Just since graphical output is a no-go right now...

The flags would have to be implemented on the static side...

lyxal

All after the rewrite

Open an issue with all these feature requests

That way, we can quickly refer to these later oj

A username

Ok

lyxal

*on

A username

!!/run oj

Vyxal Bot

[@Ausername: 58702212]
STDERR:
[POST /execute] returned 500

A username

07:24

Wait what?

What happened to the server...

hyper-neutrino

!!/run kH

Vyxal Bot

[@hyper-neutrino: 58702228]
STDERR:
[POST /execute] returned 500

lyxal

!!/run kH

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal Hello, World!

lyxal

Y'all are just bad

hyper-neutrino

07:27

kekw

lyxal

No I totally didn't delete the sessions directory and refresh the Web app on pythonanywhere, y'all are just bad :p

hyper-neutrino

thonk

lyxal

!!/run `kekw

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal kekw

lyxal

!!/hug

Vyxal Bot

07:36

@lyxal ⊂(◉‿◉)つ

lyxal

:)

A username

!!/:)

!!/run lyxal

Vyxal Bot

Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up (Official Music Video)

►

lyxal

07:54

!!/hug

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

lyxal

When the vyxal bot is adorable 🥺

!!/hug

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal ⊂((・▽・))⊃

PyGamer0

08:25

nice

lyxal

08:40

@PyGamer0 hehe that's not my account :p

My twitch account username has no similarities to mine here

PyGamer0

08:52

@lyxal ik

A username

When I have 40 notifications on Twitch although I've never visited the site before now

When I have a bajillion screenshots

Haha!

Oh wait I still have that one

A username

09:41

I just realised I left the Vyxapedia webserver running locally... for two weeks.

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user

12:34

@lyxal why

A username

!!/run `⟑ɽ λ†

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername why not

A username

!!/run «=Ṫi≠Ċ'ṁẋP¾c*℅±‛«\@p

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername (output was empty)

A username

!!/run `@ƛ≠ do λ• λ† λƒ h℅ȧ

Vyxal Bot

12:37

@Ausername @user do you not like hugs

A username

!!/hug

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername ⊂((・▽・))⊃

A username

@user Why does this specifically break? (try modifying it)

lyxal

Parsing probably

@user because we show our love for vyxalbot

A username

Hm

lyxal

12:42

@Ausername I think this was fixed in the v2.5.x parser

Problem is that v2.5.x is completely broken

A username

I tried manual compression but that does something entirely different

@lyxal Idk why it happens tho

change one character and it works

lyxal

@Ausername presumably due to the ‛ at the end

A username

Oh

I've encountered that a lot before...

anyway 'night

lyxal

'night

lyxal

13:32

Wow so gpt3 is crap at writing reflective monologues

A year ago, if you had told me that Vyxal would become a popular language on code golf, I would have said "That's impossible, it's too difficult to parse."

But, here we are.

In fact, Vyxal is now the 11th most popular language on golfscript.

In addition to having a parser that is hard to write, Vyxal has a very unique kind of syntax.

There are no parentheses, operators, or keywords.

Only a single token that is repeated, creating a list of lists.

The token is the letter V.

For example:

[VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV]

The part where it's no longer my own text is at the first quotation mark

Aaron Miller

@Ausername The backtick put most of the program in a string, then due to a parsing bug, the k and the ⁽ would become a diagraph, which did nothing, then the ; would close the lambda, then the rest of the program would just push a string. The parsing stuff is fixed now, but I found a different way to do it.

> the 11th most popular language on golfscript.

High praise right there.

PyGamer0

@lyxal wow nice idea for a language

i think i know how to fix #187

this is how

Aaron Miller

@PyGamer0 Do you want me to assign you to the issue?

lyxal

Here we go

A motivational speech

By gpt3

12 months ago, if you had told me that Vyxal would grow to have an amazing community, increased code golf popularity and a whole kind of ecosystem on github, I would have said "haha, good joke". But here we are: we have a great community, a whole kind of ecosystem, and people who have been using Vyxal on a daily basis. It's been a really great year for Vyxal, and I have a feeling that 2018 will be even better.

Here are some things that I think Vyxal did well in 2017:

A lot of code golfers have gotten into Vyxal because of the course on the Golf Club

Nevermind the fact that Vyxal was only released in 2020

Ai text starts after the first quotation mark

!!/'night

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal o/

Aaron Miller

13:49

@lyxal Gpt3 predicted your plans to make a new website. :p

user

@lyxal This sounds weird at times but is surprisingly accurate

@VyxalBot I hate hugs

I hate most physical contact

PyGamer0

@user ok

A username

20:43

" You can also expect me to make some more videos about Vyxal, and I will probably stream more Vyxal matches on Twitch."

"not very intuitive"

A speech from GPT-2:

12 months ago, if you had told me that Vyxal would grow to have an amazing community, increased code golf popularity and a whole kind of ecosystem on github, I would have said "I hope he never grows up." Well, not really.

For the most part Vyxal is a very open developer. He gets to create code, write things, and then he works on the original code. It is really good! He has a great vision and he has a pretty creative side to him. His team is awesome, his community is super awesome, he's been doing that for a long time, and I truly believe that if anyone ever comes up to me asking to do som…

user

21:18

Wait what? Vyxal is a person now?

A username

21:40

Somehow

Vyxal Bot

23:25

hyper-neutrino pushed a commit to Vyxal/Fresh-Beginnings: add python gitignore

Vyxal Bot

23:57

hyper-neutrino deleted branch Vyxal/hyper/parser-rewrite

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