Vyxal

hyper-neutrino

00:02

CMQ: real-time compressor for Vyxal?

check out jht.hyper-neutrino.xyz/misc/string-compressor and jht.hyper-neutrino.xyz/misc/integer-compressor

since vyxal has a compress element, i am not sure it would be necessary

i will be back later to read answers

lyxal

sure

why not

A username

Is it really necessary? Vyxal compression is very simple

Also there's got to be something shorter for abcdefgh in Jelly

Vyxal Bot

00:18

ysthakur pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: Use make_cmd for a few more commands

ysthakur pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: Merge branch 'master' of github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal into master

Vyxal Bot

00:34

ysthakur pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: Fixed 'v' for now

user

@hyper-neutrino Would be pretty cool, but it's not high priority imho

Vyxal Bot

Issue #174 (Vyxal/Vyxal) was closed by ysthakur

lyxal

!!/run 1 10r '5<;f

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal ⟨1|2|3|4⟩

A username

Yes!

lyxal

00:39

!!/run ⌈'L3≤;Ṅ - This is a test of this

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal This is a test of this

lyxal

But actually no

A username

What happened?

I got around it by going ð+∑Ṫ

user

Uh oh

A username

00:57

I've started getting flags

lyxal

01:14

vy_globals.stack.append(" ".join([vy_str(x) for x in top]))

here's the thing

" ".join([vy_str(x) for x in top]) works just fine

print(" ".join([vy_str(x) for x in top])) shows the expected result

but it doesn't like being appended

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername well you could slice the alphabet but in a literal, no

Vyxal Bot

01:51

hyper-neutrino pushed a commit to vyxapedia/main: add typing shortcuts

Aaron Miller

@hyper-neutrino it might be a good idea to mention øc and øC with the compressed strings and numbers, like how it mentions øD when talking about dictionary compression.

Vyxal Bot

hyper-neutrino pushed a commit to vyxapedia/main: fix out-of-bounds in char combo page

hyper-neutrino

check it out - the Try Vyxal interface on vyxapedia now supports character combination codes via alt-enter

@AaronMiller good idea

Aaron Miller

@hyper-neutrino why does it say that a function name can’t have any a’s in it?

hyper-neutrino

02:14

wait what

Vyxal Bot

hyper-neutrino pushed a commit to vyxapedia/main: typo

hyper-neutrino

@AaronMiller fixed

Aaron Miller

Oh that makes much more sense

I’m pretty sure that function names only support numbers, letters, and underscores, so it may be better/easier to just say that.

user

@lyxal Yes, you need to assign the resilt to a variable and then append it

lyxal

but that's a band-aid fix

it doesn't touch on the not appending to stack bug

user

02:24

For whatever reason, the methods are emsesing with stack

@lyxal yeah :(

Aaron Miller

@hyper-neutrino Also, x doesn’t move the context level anymore. It does recursion and prints the stack

lyxal

I tested before and after the global variable extraction

it worked before the extraction

but not after

hyper-neutrino

@AaronMiller wait what lol

can someone tell me what in tutorial.md is right and wrong

i just read through that

user

Ill try out an obj ibsted nidyke if qork

lyxal

what.

user

02:26

God niggt

hyper-neutrino

brilliant

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino ah

crap

sounds like it's outdated

Vyxal Bot

Lyxal pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: We don't do context level moves anymore

lyxal

there we go

@user I'm just going to switch the layout back to before the global variable extraction

Aaron Miller

@lyxal x doesn’t print the stack anymore. Try it Online! It looks like that functionality didn’t get carried over when we were changing the folder layout in the repo, but recursion still works

lyxal

02:31

@AaronMiller that seems to also be because of the global variable extraction

Aaron Miller

Also, it looks like we’ve got room for another command now that context level movement is no more

lyxal

correct

Aaron Miller

Also, could you explain °? Because I don’t really understand what it does based on the description.

lyxal

okay so say you have a defined function f

like @f:1|3*;

°f; pushes a function reference

Aaron Miller

So then why not just call the function?

lyxal

02:35

how would you map f to a list?

Aaron Miller

Then why not just define f as a lambda?

lyxal

def f(x):
    return x * 3

vec = [1, 2, 3, 4]
print(list(map(f, x)))

do you see how f is inside map?

f isn't called, but it's a function object

A better way to think of ° is that it pushes an object that represents that function

Aaron Miller

I guess I don’t really understand how that’s different from a lambda

lyxal

it isn't

> aspects of traditional programming languages.

that's why ° exists

Aaron Miller

oh, ok. I thought maybe I was missing something. That makes sense.

!!/'night

Vyxal Bot

02:42

@AaronMiller o/

hyper-neutrino

anyway once someone fixes the tutorial or lets me know what the actual behavior of stuff is lmk and i will update my tutorial

lyxal

I did

20 mins ago, by Vyxal Bot

Lyxal pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: We don't do context level moves anymore

hyper-neutrino

ah

ah there just is no context moving

that's the only change?

lyxal

yep

Vyxal Bot

hyper-neutrino pushed a commit to vyxapedia/main: context moving no longer go brrr

user

03:37

@lyxal Actually, I think I have a way to fix it

just gift me a couple days

or actually, ill just fork vyxal and work on it there nvm

A username

03:56

!!/run kH⌊~₂Ṅ

Vyxal Bot

[@Ausername: 58624056]
STDERR:
invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Most recently popped arguments: ['Hello, World!']
Final stack: []

A username

!!/run kH⌈~₂Ṅ

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername 0

A username

Nope...

!!/flowey quote

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername Howdy, I'm FLOWEY. FLOWEY the FLOWER

A username

03:59

!!/blame

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername It was lyxal's fault!

A username

!!/run lyxal

Vyxal Bot

Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up (Official Music Video)

►

Razetime

!!/help

Vyxal Bot

All of my commands start with @VyxalBot or !!/

- To add yourself to the ping list, use "ping me"
- To remove yourself from the ping list, use "don't ping me"
- To evaluate Vyxal code, use "(execute|run|run code|evaluate)", followed by code, flags, and inputs inside inline code blocks (multiline code is not supported; provide multiline input in multiple code blocks)
- To ping everyone, use "hyperping" or "ping every(body|one)"

lyxal

04:56

@user sure

I'll see about contributing to vyxapedia in the meantime

hyper-neutrino

poggers

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0

A: Interpret brainf***

Vyxal DO, 54 bytes `><+-[].,`£¥↔¥`‟ „ › ‹ {:| } :C₴ _¼`⌈Ŀ?Ṙ(nC⅛)k23*(0)„Ė Try it Online! The basic idea is that a stack is a wrapping tape if you can rotate the whole thing. So it's really just setting up the input, pushing 0s, and transpiling: > - ‟ - rotate stack right < - „ - rotate stack le...

Vyxal is TC!

hyper-neutrino

i feel like bct is easier to prove its tc-ness

lyxal

!!/info

Vyxal Bot

lyxal

05:00

!!/issue Vyxapedia Format as CMC not working I click the button and it doesn't output a CMC style link bug

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal failed to create the issue (410): Issues are disabled for this repo

lyxal

They are?

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@lyxal What did you do...

hyper-neutrino

good job

A username

Wrong link

lyxal

05:01

Lol

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Check it

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal try again

A username

How did you break that?

lyxal

!!/issue Vyxapedia Format as CMC not working I click the button and it doesn't output a CMC style link bug

Vyxal Bot

Vyxal-Bot opened issue #1 in Vyxal/vyxapedia: Format as CMC not working

lyxal

05:04

@Ausername what is broken?

hyper-neutrino

can you link the program that causes it to fail, or any console output

it appears to work for me

lyxal

Same here

hyper-neutrino

i meant your issue

the cmc button works fine for me

A username

503

A: Should 'drive by' downvoting be more effectively caught?

The answer was down voted because I lost my keys. Please, stay with me, let me explain this odd chain of events. Earlier today I couldn't get to the store on time because I could not find my keys. That caused me to miss the opportunity to run over a golf ball, which would have bounced between a f...

The best answer

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino oh

Well

I just press it and it doesn't format the link

It just doesn't change the output box

hyper-neutrino

05:07

nani

wh-

any console output?

lyxal

I'm on mobile

hyper-neutrino

oh mobile

lyxal

How tf am I gonna see console output

hyper-neutrino

yeah uh

my site is rather broken on mobile

i intend to fix that

A username

No kidding

Vyxal, 5 bytes: Hello (Try It Online!)

Status-norepro

Vyxal Bot

05:09

hyper-neutrino pushed a commit to vyxapedia/main: make multiline not break cmc formatting and instead of give up

A username

@hyper-neutrino'ssock Why do you exist?

hyper-neutrino

because I made it

A username

How's it even meant to work in the first place?

hyper-neutrino

bring up a modal with a template explanation of the code

obviously cannot do things like explain all the patterns and approaches

but it can give the mechanical explanation for each component, each element, etc.

i may just remove this feature?? idk yet

A username

Ok...

hyper-neutrino

05:12

actually yeah

it isn't really worth it

having an auto-generated mechanical explanation doesn't really help

especially for a language as complex as jelly

so i may as well remove it from both

A username

Wait if you've got a python host, why send the results to the ordinary interpreter?

Vyxal Bot

hyper-neutrino pushed a commit to vyxapedia/main: no more explain command

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername a) my server's ram isn't great with how many things are running b) to keep it fully consistent with how the official intepreter works c) so if there are any vulnerabilities or insecurities it's a problem on lyxal's pythonanywhere

not that i distrust lyxal that much

A username

Oh

hyper-neutrino

but lyxal.pythonanywhere.com is a dedicated vyxal interp server

A username

05:16

But you have vyxal.hyper-neutrino.xyz

hyper-neutrino

my server runs a lot of other stuff and i'd rather not risk potential ACE

A username

BTW plz don't update your fork

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername oh yeah i should disable that, i only really open that to allow y'all to test bugs i find or forked changes

@Ausername ?

A username

We're using it as a referebce point

to fix current bugs

lyxal

^

hyper-neutrino

05:17

oh

should i keep my interpreter alive then

A username

For now, until we fix it again

When you've reached more people than there are on the siite

hyper-neutrino

nice

lyxal

You're running roughly version 2.4

hyper-neutrino

lol

lyxal

@Ausername laughs in 478k

@hyper-neutrino the safe evaluation has you covered

hyper-neutrino

05:19

laughs in 755k

@lyxal i mean i wouldn't put it past aaron to find another ACE exploit :p

lyxal

Even with ACE exploits that would work offline, if you're using the version that has pwntools, it knows to only scan good literals

hyper-neutrino

although i can probably trust y'all not to attack my server using any potential ACE exploits :P

i should clean up my server to free more RAM

or just download more

A username

lyxal

Download more REM like a real gamer

A username

Insert your RAM into your CPU with INTERCAL

and CAPITAL letters

Aaron Miller

05:35

!!/issue `Ė` doesn’t use the global register When evaling as Vyxal, the `Ė` command can’t access the same register that the main program uses: Try it Online! bug

Vyxal Bot

Vyxal-Bot opened issue #179 in Vyxal/Vyxal: <code>Ė</code> doesn’t use the global register

Vyxal-Bot opened issue #180 in Vyxal/Vyxal: `Ė` doesn’t use the global register

Aaron Miller

Whoops

Note to self: when submitting an issue through the bot, don’t edit the message afterwards

hyper-neutrino

lol

!!/issue VyxalBotSE Editing an issue command that succeeded should edit the existing issue Instead of creating a new issue, editing the command should edit the issue, and issues should be attached to a message. enhancement

!!/status

...

hyper-neutrino's sock

!!/status

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!!/flowey quote

hyper-neutrino

05:48

!!/issue VyxalBotSE Editing an issue command that succeeded should edit the existing issue Instead of creating a new issue, editing the command should edit the issue, and issues should be attached to a message. enhancement

Vyxal Bot

Vyxal-Bot opened issue #14 in Vyxal/VyxalBotSE: Editing an issue command that succeeded should edit the existing issue

A username

!!/u good m8

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername I am doing nothing except answering your requests.

Aaron Miller

I have absolutely no idea what’s going on with ~, but it ain’t doing what it’s supposed to: Try it Online!

Also, I’m not sure who submitted the FR about a mold to length built in, but have you looked at •?

!!/issue VyxalBotSE Bot-generated issues should mention the author When someone submits an issue through the bot, it should mention in the issue who it was that submitted it. enhancement

Vyxal Bot

Vyxal-Bot opened issue #15 in Vyxal/VyxalBotSE: Bot-generated issues should mention the author

A username

06:01

!!/issue That register bug has got to go Just have a register.set and register.get or something as methods, not implicit setting

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername !!/issue repository **title** body `label` `label` - if the repository is not specified, it assumes Vyxal/Vyxal; the body can be omitted but it is recommended that you write a description; at least one label is required

A username

!!/issue That register bug has got to go Just have a register.set and register.get or something as methods, not implicit setting bug enhancement

Vyxal Bot

Vyxal-Bot opened issue #181 in Vyxal/Vyxal: That register bug has got to go

A username

!!/!!/!!/!!/

!!/flowey quote

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername Howdy, I'm FLOWEY. FLOWEY the FLOWER

A username

06:08

Is that all it can say?

Aaron Miller

!!/flowey quote

Vyxal Bot

@AaronMiller Is this a joke? Are you braindead? RUN INTO THE BULLETS!!!

A username

Feature request: Make it say "I'm a sentient being, not just a bot" every time someone says anythiing including it.

@VyxalBot *friendliness pellets

Aaron Miller

16 hours ago, by Aaron Miller

We should change the flowey quotes command so that if it does the "run into the bullets" one, it edits it a couple seconds later to say "friendliness pellets" instead.

A username

Yes

I saw that

So close

Aaron Miller

06:13

> coders die

help I am coder

A username

lol

lyxal

06:42

I think the easiest solution to the generator problem, as long as the other issues that arise from reliance on global variables would be to rewrite everything to not rely on global variables at all

Razetime

removing global is a cool and good idea

lyxal

@user what do you think of that?

A username

Register do be completely dead

!!/flowey quote

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername Hehehe, you really ARE an idiot.

A username

Polite reply plz?

Razetime

06:54

just link to the page

lyxal

@Ausername global extraction issue probably

A username

I'ma start using hyper's thing for actual useful stuff

Until this starts working

Razetime

hmm

what if

enterprise app

in vyxal

lyxal

@Razetime what's an enterprise app?

Razetime

github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition

A username

07:00

uh...

math

07:46

@lyxal I think that's a good idea. For a language like python it's bad, as there are modules and stuff, but for Vyxal it's great.

No more variable errors anymore!

Underslash

08:37

quick thing, for the new flag that truncates, I'd imagine output isn't supposed to always be 100 long, just truncated if need be, but I could be wrong

lyxal

That's how it works

Underslash

oh ok

all good then

I like how a lot of the functions (including permutation) return generators, and when combined with this flag its really nice

A username

09:19

Generators can be a mess tho

Good idea but

And how is random choice from a generator meant to work?

Vyxal Bot

10:26

@NguyễnĐoànNgọcGiàu Welcome to the Vyxal chat room!

math

welcome too

lyxal

11:14

@Ausername it should work the same way as it would with a list

A username

11:30

Oh just dereferencing? Ok

math

11:57

bug?

A username

Yes

Vyxal Bot

12:18

Lyxal pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: what to do with `X`?

Lyxal pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: Merge branch 'master' of github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal

The GitHub Actions bot pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: Update elements.md

Lyxal pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: ficed datetiem

Lyxal pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: Merge branch 'master' of github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal

Lyxal pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: isort is cool

A username

Someone's been busy...

X was going to be break loop

/ halt function

but we should probably do that once everything else is sorted

lyxal

i actually haven't

the first two there are from ealier todat

the "merge branch" was just github being silly

and isort is cool was just me clicking a button in vs code

@Ausername ^

A username

12:33

Oh

lyxal

6 hours ago, by lyxal

I think the easiest solution to the generator problem, as long as the other issues that arise from reliance on global variables would be to rewrite everything to not rely on global variables at all

I just realised flags make this pain

Vyxal Bot

Lyxal pushed a commit to Vyxal/master: removed debugign

lyxal

yes

Vyxal Bot

Lyxal created branch Vyxal/much-better-yes from Vyxal/master

Aaron Miller

simple solution: remove flags /s

A username

12:36

Simple solutionL Revert to 2.4.

Aaron Miller

Ah, yes, 2.4. The age of ACE.

lyxal

this...this is cursed yet not

A username

@AaronMiller 2.4.1 then

!!/flowey quote

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername I've read every book. I've burned every book. I've won every game. I've lost every game. I've appeased everyone. I've killed everyone. Sets of numbers... Lines of dialog... I've seen them all.

A username

That's... confusing.

!!/flowey quote

Vyxal Bot

12:46

@Ausername Is this a joke? Are you braindead? RUN INTO THE BULLETS!!!

A username

*friendliness pellets

!!/flowey quote

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername Down here, LOVE is shared through little white... 'friendliness pellets'

A username

*friendliness pellets

lyxal

@Ausername what, you've never seen a genocide run?

A username

Oh

lyxal

12:47

dang, now is probably a good time to mention using !!/flowey quote will return results with spoilers

!!/flowey quote

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal Hehehe, you really ARE an idiot.

A username

@lyxal I don't really mind

It's funny anyway

lyxal

CMQ: How many of y'all have played/seen a playthrough of Undertale (both true pacifist and genocide)

A username

Feature request: Whenever someone says 'it', the bot says 'I am a sentient being!'

PyGamer0

@lyxal hm pretty sure my brother has seen some videos of DanTDM playing undertail

Aaron Miller

12:49

pacifist: 1
neutral: 1
genocide: 2
don't judge me; **** already did

lyxal

@AaronMiller someone has had quite a bad time ;)

Aaron Miller

although i did get really good at that fight

lyxal

@AaronMiller how many tries did it take you to get past the big boy?

A username

CMC: Merge Undertale and Underload

PyGamer0

@Ausername loadtale

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12:52

(Hehehe, you really ARE an idiot.)*S:SS::::^::::(:::)^SS

@hyper-neutrino You're awake, which means Lyxal and I should probably go to sleep.

!!/bye

Vyxal Bot

@Ausername o/

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal simple solution: for every single combination of flags, write an entirely separate version of vyxal. then, at the beginning of runtime, based on the flag, chosoe the file to run

A username

!!/byte

Aww....

PyGamer0

!!/hi

no hi?

lyxal

!!/howdy

Vyxal Bot

12:53

@lyxal hello to you too!

lyxal

because I'm a flowey fan

PyGamer0

!!/howdy

Aaron Miller

@lyxal much many the first time, 4-5 the second time

Vyxal Bot

@PyGamer0 hello to you too!

Aaron Miller

@PyGamer0 Underunder

lyxal

12:54

@AaronMiller no I meant this fight

PyGamer0

how do you prove something is TC?

hyper-neutrino

usually you implement/transliterate another TC language

brainfuck and bitwise cyclic tag are common choices I believe

lyxal

Volatile is the easiest one to transliterate to for TCness

heh, Volatile is how I've known Vyxal is TC since inception

Aaron Miller

@lyxal idk, it's one of those fights that just kinda happens and when it's over, you're just like, what?

lyxal

@AaronMiller a question related to that: what were your expectations of the fight before you saw photoshop flowey for the first time (i.e. during the initial "coming down from the top of the screen part")

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