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12:02 AM
@Knight not dreaming about this lovely comment I just got "Fucking disguise of an arrogant escapist." lol
 
12:42 AM
@SMSheikh google translate doesnt work for this message but i'm gonna assume you got your nice solution
 
 
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1:52 AM
@Arjun kya idea Diya Bhai 😮
 
 
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3:02 AM
@CalvinKhor Wow
@robjohn Thank you so much sir for your benefaction, I’m very much obliged sir. I really mean it, thank you.
 
@sai-kartik ,this is how you become a billionaire
 
@Arjun Sahi Kaha
Perfect strategy when you're running out of cash
 
 
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5:35 AM
stack exchange is a not better than conference because it doesn't provide food regularly while conference does.
 
@CaptainBohemian or wine
 
conference organizers always provide meals and cookies during conference breaks
 
@CaptainBohemian and coffee
 
but stack exchange moderators don't provide any food, so we may be too hungry to exchange knowledge
I don't drink coffee
I mainly need the formal meals
having no cookies is fine as long as there are 2 formal big meals every day
 
☕️
 
5:44 AM
I have attended conferences held on mountains or places far from where food is provided, like restaurants
but whenever meal time arrives, there were meals delivered to us
so we had never been too hungry to do scientific discussion.
 
:):
 
I have tested that all dry food I can find can't effectively stave off hunger.
I must have cooked food to stave off hunger.
that's where trouble lies
cooked food can't be bought in a great amount in one shopping to save for eating for several times.
it requires to buy right before you eat
 
if i were u Id reconsider ubereats or whatever it is thats in ur area
 
isn't ubereats expensive?
they are everywhere
 
6:00 AM
got friends to split the delivery cost with...?
even if they are expensive, find out the price so that you know how expensive
then you can make an informed decision
 
I don't know how much UberEats costs.
have never tried it
 
fake an order up until payment, or try it once why not
order some good shit thats too far away for you to normally get
 
I know a lot of restaurants provide free delivery as long as sufficient quantity of meals are ordered for one delivery
but I don't have friends here to share meals
 
yeah but u said u cant order in bulk for yourself. Only alternative is if you order with groups
 
so can't order a multiple of meals once to deliver
people living here are generally students from neighboring two universities
I don't know any of them
 
6:06 AM
maybe ask if u can join them for food lol
 
actually I am on a hill
and don't know if restaurants deliver meals to the hill
 
lol why not, are there roads for vehicles?
 
restaurants don't usually deliver meals too far away
 
if they need to hike then i can see them not delivering
yeah but "too far away for delivery" is usually not on the same order of magnitude as "too far to walk to"
how about instant noodles
 
@CalvinKhor ,oops, cap is fed up with them
 
6:09 AM
I have tried instant noodles recently, finding they can't stave off hunger effectively
 
i lasted a long time on those + idk cured meats
 
around 2 or 3 hours after instant noodles, I would get hungry again.
 
:/ is it cuz there's not enough, u can always have two lol
@Arjun hi :) what do you mean
 
but instant noodles doesn't really make me feel full after eating
 
@CalvinKhor , captain is not a big fan of noodles
 
6:10 AM
it just slightly subdues hunger
 
they would if you ate 2 million of them :P
 
I like noodles, but not instant noodles, which taste not good.
 
fair fair
ur a tough customer
 
I sometimes even feel nausea after eating instant noodles
because the noodles really taste so bad
 
lol ok stay away from them
hahaha
i hate bad food but I can tolerate a lot of things if it means not being hungry
 
6:12 AM
@CaptainBohemian, how do u get water?
 
drinking water machine
it provides water anytime
 
Hmm, no river, no fishing
 
i think u need to scout for intel, how do other people deal
@Arjun l m a o
 
what's intel?
 
i just mean the latter part of the sentence (it was a redundant word)
 
6:14 AM
@Arjun getting water is so easy; water is free.
getting water is as easy as breathing here.
 
@CaptainBohemian ,do one thing
 
imo game plan is make 'friends' with the other people and try to order with them
 
but there is no agent for making friends for food here
 
Take some fish eggs and nurture them
 
@JohnRennie Hello sir :-)
Hello Calvin
 
6:16 AM
@Knight 你好
 
it's impolite to accost anybody I meet to order food together.
 
Malay?
 
chinese lol
@Knight malay is typed using the same characters as english
 
I have got this strange comptetive exam question:
 
sure
@CaptainBohemian are you in the US? Lots of people randomly talked to me for no reason when I was there lol
 
6:17 AM
there are mainly two kinds of people on the street who would accost me, one is obscene men, and the other is product promoters.
 
@CalvinKhor ,球
 
I feel they are annoying.
 
well i meant in the dorm :P
 
Two identical trains are moving on rails along the equator on the earth in opposite directions with the same speed. Will they exert same pressure on the rails ?
 
@CalvinKhor, do u understand?
 
6:18 AM
@CalvinKhor I am not. I am in the east.
 
ball...? @Arjun 足球 = ⚽️
 
@CalvinKhor ,yes LMAO
 
@Arjun 为啥怎么搞笑呢
@Knight thats kinda weird
 
@CalvinKhor Born like that
😁
 
pressure = force/unit area so since the trains are the same then we can just consider the forces
the forces are the same, maybe the question is if they cancel?
 
6:22 AM
@Knight , do we consider south eastern winds?
 
if the earth is flat, then the forces perfectly cancel, but they don't cancel on a round earth
 
@CalvinKhor I don’t know, the answer is even more weird
 
._. whats the answer lol
 
Angular speed and hence the required centripetal force for both the trains will be different. So, normal reaction (or normal) will also be different.
@Arjun Lol
 
lol
 
6:24 AM
@Knight hi :-)
 
@CalvinKhor,為什麼球沒有骨頭?
 
球不是动物吧
i cant understand the answer @Knight
 
@JohnRennie hello
 
I like 拉麵 烏龍麵 米苔目 年糕
 
@CalvinKhor Please explain
 
6:26 AM
意麵
but not instant noodles
 
@Knight how to explain if i don't understand :'(
 
@CalvinKhor oh sorry, I read it “I can understand the answer”
I missed nt
 
my sister also hates instant noodles; she said she won't eat instant noodles anymore after leaving the home where she was fed on instant noodles every meal.
 
Is your sister still in school?
 
6:29 AM
no, she has graduated
 
Okay
 
I mean when she was in teenage.
she has long left that home
she is at work market
 
i bought some super cool instant food the other day
came with its own heat, you add some water and it would start boiling
 
I feel being fed on instant noodles every meal is like feeding a pet with fodder every meal.
people don't want to cook for pets so feed them fodder every meal.
 
i forgot, @CaptainBohemian you do/n't have a fridge?
 
6:36 AM
@CalvinKhor I do. I always have drinks in it
 
oh hey i just recalled something
oo then u can order more right
or also bring a drink for the waltz to the shops
 
but I don't have a heater
 
nice chilled one
ahhhhhhh
but anyways what I remembered is
sushi doesn't need to be heated
 
Actually I like to inhabit hill more than downtown, but the drawback is it's not easy to access food.
 
also cereal is another of my lazy solutions lol
 
6:41 AM
cereal also needs to cook
I am not quite sure what kind of cereal you mean
 
what cereal do you have that needs cooking, i just dump it in milk
 
maybe you show the picture
 
err
kids cereal
 
@CalvinKhor look so delicious
but I don't know where to buy them
have never bought them
 
whaaaaat? should be in any mid to large grocery store
 
6:45 AM
groceries here don't have a variety of food
I usually go to supermarket for food of that kind
 
yeah i meant supermarket
i drown it in milk which lets me pretend its healthy
oh yeah tahts another one, milk is quite filling
potatos are very filling too, maybe some salad with potatos...
 
I don't drink pure milk often
I drink fermented milk more often
 
well duh im suggesting new things to try lol
as in yogurt?
 
not totally the same as yogurt
it tastes better than yogurt
can cereal be poured with fermented milk?
 
yeah sure
if you want to be healthier you can instead get oats and nuts
but oats are kinda bland and nuts are kinda expensive
 
6:49 AM
oats doesn't taste as good as cereal, I think.
 
yup, easily predicted by the insane sugar content of cereal lol
 
let me check if the nearest supermarket has cereal later.
I really hate this kind of hunger.
 
ok!
 
7:06 AM
@JohnRennie Sir are you free?
 
it sounds like they want you to note that the earth is spinning i think? @Knight sorry dont know physics
 
@CalvinKhor maybe. But I think is that the examiner thought something in his mind and wrote is very badly.
It actaully doesn’t explain anything.
 
yeah hate these questions
it would be better as an interview question, because it leaves quite a lot open to interpretation so you can discuss with your interviewer
 
These questions kills the motivation to study for competitions
@CalvinKhor lol
 
@Knight yes
 
7:11 AM
@JohnRennie I want to ask a JEE question (a friend of mine gave it to me for practising)
 
@Knight OK ... ?
 
Problem Statement: Two particles of mass $m$ each are tied at the ends of a light string of length $2a$. The whole system is kept on a frictionless horizontal surface with the string held tight so that each mass is at a distance $a$ from the center $P$. Now, the mid-point of the string is pulled vertically upwards with a small but constant force $F$. As a result, the particles move towards reach other on the surface. The magnitude of acceleration, when the separation is $2a$ is ?
 
@Knight I'm busy for a few minutes ...
 
@JohnRennie No problem sir, just ping me when you get free.
 
@Knight shouldn't the final seperation be less than 2a?
 
7:23 AM
I'm sorry
 
are you asking for the acceleration at the beginning of the movement
 
The last sentence is "The magnitude of acceleration, when the separation is $2x$"
 
lol
ok
 
sorry :)
@user69608 How do you people manage these questions in 4 minutes?
 
@Knight practice
 
7:26 AM
He said it is one of the easy JEE questions :-)
 
ill give it a go...lol
havent drawn a force diagram in so long
 
@Knight , first time?
i can show you questions that will make you scratch your head
should i give one/ of physics, kinematics?
 
@Arjun 2016 one rbd
 
@user69608 ,?
 
@Arjun Hmm... yeah! actually I don't like Newtonian mechanics and I wanted to practice it so I found this question
 
7:29 AM
@Arjun rotation vala question 2016
 
@user69608 , that's hard, i'll give a easier one
 
Can we make our mobile to sound when we get pinged?
 
still no on can solve it, of course except john sir
@Knight ,yep
 
@Arjun How?
 
do u see a button of "all rooms"
 
7:32 AM
@Knight ah, I have tried and failed to do that question before.
 
@JohnRennie HAHAHAHH
 
oh no, we're all doomed
 
With JEE questions you need to know the trick for answering them, and I don't know the trick for doing that one.
 
You can never fail sir
Should I post my try?
 
@JohnRennie , that's right sir
 
7:33 AM
@CalvinKhor Really?
 
no its hyperbole lol but i didnt expect it
 
i looked at it, it's not that hard for JEE
 
@CalvinKhor Thanks for clarifying, I almost got a cardiac arrest
I thought dooms day has come
@JohnRennie Sir can I discuss my try with you?
 
@Arjun do you know the solution?
 
I have the solution
 
7:36 AM
ok
 
but again the solution is so terse and there are many questions that can be raised upon it
 
When an object is thrown in air and having a constant acceleration A due to air find out about the time of the whole motion, weather it's greater than or lesse than the time which it takes without air friction
 
@Knight post the solution and let's have a look at it.
 
wait i think i have an idea
 
Oh okay, when the separation is $2x$ we something like this
 
Now, we can say that for one string the force acting is $F/2$ (sir I really want to know why I can do distribute half forces, but it seems correct to me) and hence we have
 
my try - F pulling up, the string pulls back with 2 forces G, G' of equal magnitude, G on the left ball say. Looking at the force diagram for the left ball, there's the force of gravity, normal force, and this G. The normal force will change so that the net upward force on the ball is 0 and the ball moves only horizontally (this is the $|F|\ll 1$ assumption), and the size of the horizontal component of $G$ is $|F|\cos^{-1}(x/a)/2$. Since $F=ma$ the acceleration is $|F|\cos^{-1}(x/a)/(2m)$
 
Now, we can resolve that upward force along the string and perpendicular to it. (Just a second for figure)
 
i am getting a= F/2m cot(theta)
 
7:40 AM
theta is the angle made by the string with the horizontal
 
oo my trig is so wrong LOL
 
as @JohnRennie said, it uses tricks
the solution is less than a page long
 
@satan29 ye toh gmp mein bhi tha na
 
i dont remember...
 
@satan29 yes it was
 
7:42 AM
basically, we need to find the tension in the string
 
Tcos(theta) will be the acceleration
 
ok so i had a $\cos^{-1}$ for no reason i guess it would just be $\frac{|F|x}{2ma}$
 
@Knight i believe the point behind is that a net force cant be acting on a point, since it is massless.
 
Now, $F_{\parallel}$ is the force on the mass. We have $\sin \theta = x/a$ $$
F_{\parallel} = F/2 \cos \theta \\
F_{\parallel} = \frac{F}{2a} \sqrt{a^2 -x^2}$$
Am I correct this far @JohnRennie @CalvinKhor?
 
7:49 AM
i dont know :D
 
@Knight I'm tied up with something else at the moment ...
 
No problem
 
is how I would do it.
i made a mistake while writing cot(theta) ...its x/sqrt(a^2-x^2)
 
@satan29 How your $T \sin \theta$ got converted to $T \cos \theta$
 
its a seperate equation.
$Tcos(theta)$ is the force on the mass
 
7:54 AM
And really don't know how you got $F/2 = T \sin \theta$
 
$2Tsin(\theta)$ is the force on point P.
@Knight The two force acting on point P are F and 2Tsin(theta)
point P is part of an ideal string, which is assumed to be massless
therefore, point P cannot have a net force
 
okay
we are doing the same thing
 
(F-2tsin(theta)=0
so $F/2=Tsin(\theta)$
 
Yes, your $T$ is my $F_{\parallel}$
 
oh, i think i get it, and why i am wrong
 
7:58 AM
please speak up
 
well i think you're doing the right thing, you set up the problem correctly, you have the upwards force in terms of known things (F and theta)
by the small force assumption the motion is only horizontal, so the horizontal force gives the acceleration
after u divide by m
just write these out as equations and then solve for the acceleration
 
And I think $F_{\parallel}$ is the only force acting by the string on mass $m$
 
no gravity?
oh, by the string
 
@CalvinKhor Can you please explain that? I really want to what is that small force assumption?
 
if the force was large then there would be no reaction force from the surface and then things should start going up
i think?
 
8:02 AM
yes, thats a good point
 
also btw you could divide by 2 because the set up of the problem was symmetric
 
if the upward component of the force by the string on the mass becomes >mg, then the mass will move upwards, i.e leave the surface
 
Now, all I want the horizontal component of the $F_{\parallel}$, right?
 
yeah
 
Do I need $F_{\parallel} \cos \alpha$ ?
 
8:08 AM
yes
 
We have $\cos \alpha = \frac{x}{a}$, therefore horizontal force on the mass $m$ is
$$
\frac{F}{2a} \sqrt{a^2 - x^2} \times \frac{x}{a}\\
\frac{F}{2a^2} x \sqrt{a^2 -x^2}$$
Am I right?
 
there should be a division instead
since you know $\text{stuff} = F_\parallel\sin\alpha$ and you want $F_\parallel\cos\alpha$, this is $\text{stuff} \times \frac{\cos\alpha }{\sin\alpha} $
 
Didn't get you
 
$\frac{F}2 = F_\parallel\sin\alpha$ so $F_\parallel\cos\alpha= \frac{F}2 \frac{\cos\alpha }{\sin\alpha} = \frac{F}2 \frac{x/a}{\left.\sqrt{a^2-x^2}\middle/a\right.}$
 
Oh yeah!
Wow
But what I did wrong, I found $F_{\parallel}$ explicitly
 
8:16 AM
\middle/ is pretty lol
 
30 mins ago, by Knight
Now, $F_{\parallel}$ is the force on the mass. We have $\sin \theta = x/a$ $$
F_{\parallel} = F/2 \cos \theta \\
F_{\parallel} = \frac{F}{2a} \sqrt{a^2 -x^2}$$
 
@Knight here you computed $F_\parallel \times \cos\theta \times \sin\theta$ instead of dividing
 
@CalvinKhor I think I computed $F_{\parallel} \times \cos \alpha$
See this image
35 mins ago, by Knight
user image
$F_{\parallel} = F/2 ~\cos \theta$ ??
 
where is the computation? No, that's not right
 
Please help me in seeing why that's wrong
$\theta$ is vertically opposite angle
 
8:22 AM
oh
errr so that's sine of the other angle right
 
yep
 
if you check the vertical forces, it doesnt work
 
how, can you please do it?
 
for the global force diagram, there can be no movement vertically i.e. no net force vertically
so $N - mg + F/2 = 0$ ($N$ is the normal force at the table) i.e. $N = mg - F/2$
looking at the forces acting on the ball, there's $N$, $mg$, and the tension $T$
we can get the tension because we know the angle the tension is coming at, + the vertical component
 
Yes
 
8:29 AM
the vertical component $T_y$ solves $N - mg + Ty = 0$ i.e. $T_y = -F/2$
doing the appropriate trigonometry-> $T_x = \frac{T_y}{\sin\alpha} \times \cos\alpha$
 
Yes
 
whatever force diagram you drew to say that $T=F_\parallel = \frac{F}2 \cos\theta$ must have a mistake
we can't use the horizontal components of the forces on the ball because that equation is what we use to solve for the acceleration (using newton's second? law)
 
Okay
 
not convinced?
 
Convinced, totally
lol
 
8:34 AM
haha ok
 
Thanks Calvin
 
np!
i give us a $B-$ for eventually getting to the answer
 
hahahah
 
in other news @Knight i cant believe i managed to convince the captain to try something, and simultaneously i cant believe i found an adult who hasnt had cereal before (same person)
 
@CalvinKhor i have a maths question for you
 
8:46 AM
ok, try me
 
let A={1,2,3,4,5} and B={0,1,2,3,4,5}
we have to find the probability of creating a function f:A--->B, which is one one , such that
f(1) is not 0 or 1, and f(i) is not i for i =2,3,4,5
i feel that derangements is the way to go here, but
 
how to solve differential equation without using polar coordinates :xdx+ydy=x(xdy-ydx)
 
@CalvinKhor any thoughts?
 
not yet
 
hmm
 
8:53 AM
derangements must also be injective right
4 *5*4/6^5?
oh
one-to-one is also needed
 
yeah
 
can i use a computer? lol
 
lmao
 
$6^5$ is easy to brute force
 
@CalvinKhor lol
@user69608 can this be done by direct differential?
 
9:02 AM
@user69608 don't think so
 
@user69608 i dont think this is an exact differential
 
the left is, the right doesn't look like it
 
yeah ok
 
right one can be written as x^3*(d(y/x))
or -xy^2(d(x/y))
none of which helps..
 
hm
 
9:05 AM
i dont like counting, but my guess is like this. Say $d$ is an arbitrary derangement. its naturally one of the functions $f$ that we can get. if we switch one of the $d(i)$ with 0, we get a new function, say $g$. Its impossible to get $g$ if you start with a different derangement. I think this is all possible $f$s...
so i guess its just 5 times the number of derangements on 5 things
since we can either not switch with 0, or switch one of $d(i)$ for $i=2,3,4,5$ with $0$
wait no this is wrong, there is double counting...
well i give up lol counting isnt my strong suit
 
@satan29 is it $\frac{44*4c2*2}{6^5}$?
wait lol
@satan29 ans?
@satan29 is it $\frac{(44)(4c1*2+4c2*2*3c2)}{6^5}$ ?
 
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