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WavesWashSands

11:00

and from a good linguist (one of my undergrad profs)

WiccanKarnak

woah

wow

thanks a lot

It seems very sorted

WavesWashSands

the link should take you to the Cantonese chapter

but if it doesn't I believe it was chapter 2 or something

WiccanKarnak

Will read and get back to you

WavesWashSands

I think a main thing you can improve

WiccanKarnak

@WavesWashSands cool

WavesWashSands

11:01

is not to be too confident in what you think your analysis is

like the town vs village one

WiccanKarnak

@WavesWashSands makes sense

hmm

WavesWashSands

you were probably confident what was going on, and changed two things instead of using a minimal pair

WiccanKarnak

so, don't have bias, Yes. Fundamentals!!

WavesWashSands

haha yeah

WiccanKarnak

@WavesWashSands Yes I think I went wrong towards the end with minimal pairs

WavesWashSands

11:02

I mean, having the same construction for expressing definiteness and indefiniteness is weird

so I can't blame you for making the mistake

haha

WiccanKarnak

@WavesWashSands that is true

But always use minimal pairs

WavesWashSands

yeah

WiccanKarnak

What else?

WavesWashSands

I think most of the mistakes you made were perfectly normal for someone with no background of the language family

unless you're planning to work on an isolate in a remote area with little language contact, you'd probably read a lot more on languages of the area beforehand

WiccanKarnak

hmm makes sense

WavesWashSands

11:04

and wouldn't make these mistakes

and I'm sure you didn't figure out any of the sentence-final particles

but don't worry about that - it's hard to without having actual texts

oh one more thing

WiccanKarnak

@WavesWashSands Yes I had to open up some resources in parallell

*parallel

WavesWashSands

the fact that you didn't ask for relative clauses is a pretty big gap

a lot of things would make sense if you did

WiccanKarnak

As in , in syntactic domain?

WavesWashSands

yeah

most obviously, it would have helped you make sense of the focus constructions

WiccanKarnak

Aha, I could have, Yes.

@WavesWashSands Yes

Actually

WavesWashSands

11:07

but there would have been other advantages

e.g. you may have figured out that the 'adjectives' are actually verbs

WiccanKarnak

I was a bit uncomfortable wandering to bigger sentences

WavesWashSands

right

WiccanKarnak

@WavesWashSands woah

WavesWashSands

btw, about word order, you probably thought Cantonese was SVO right?

WiccanKarnak

And relativization would have required two phrases in the least

@WavesWashSands yeah

WavesWashSands

11:08

two clauses, yeah

WiccanKarnak

Sorry yeah

WavesWashSands

Well, from a typological perspective, it's not wrong

WiccanKarnak

@WavesWashSands it's not?

@WavesWashSands parallel conversations, which one

WavesWashSands

but this is because when you're taking a typological perspective

SVO

WiccanKarnak

Yeah, but you might have a free er order yes

Like in Hindi

WavesWashSands

11:09

it's not exactly that either

WiccanKarnak

We have one "normal" order and all others are possible

WavesWashSands

you definitely can't get VSO, VOS, or OVS

WiccanKarnak

Mhmm

WavesWashSands

unless you do some left or right dislocation

WiccanKarnak

Too deep

WavesWashSands

11:11

the word order generalisations are, roughly:
a) topics always come first
b) agents never get behind the verb
c) focus behind the verb

for regular clauses of course

WiccanKarnak

Oh I couldn't have done that in 2 more hours

WavesWashSands

haha

WiccanKarnak

Wow how does a field linguist get all these

WavesWashSands

you would have to elicit some sentences like

two people suddenly came

WiccanKarnak

Anyways, go sleep, let me not disturb you anymore

WavesWashSands

11:12

haha, sure

WiccanKarnak

@WavesWashSands sorry, continue

WavesWashSands

good luck with your paper!

(I was done with that turn)

WiccanKarnak

@WavesWashSands but give what kind of background for this?

@WavesWashSands thanks a lot

@WavesWashSands ah ok

WavesWashSands

take a look at this paper: citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/…

WiccanKarnak

Sure

WavesWashSands

11:13

I'll go now, best of luck with your paper!

WiccanKarnak

Thanks so much, was so lucky to have a linguist to start with in elicitations

Bye!

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