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2:06 AM
Seriously, people should be asking more questions.
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@BESW Living in Britain, I really appreciate this. I actually burst out laughing at "Trottiscliffe".
> My name is Shibboleth, Speaker of English;
Look on our Words, ye Mighty, and despair!
^ If that doesn't get starred, in a literature chatroom, I'll be disappointed.
Ooh, meta gold.
 
2:41 AM
@Randal'Thor "I should be asking more questions" is how we get lousy, forced questions.
 
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@BESW This is why I've asked very few - everything I think of is weird and forced
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@BESW It's still not an unreasonable sentiment in general, possibilities for turning it into bad advice under the surface notwithstanding. ;-)
I'm sure Mr. al'Thor was implying those questions people should ask to be good questions.
 
Shirley he was, but it remains a real problem this site has already faced.
 
@Randal'Thor Around here you can tell a lot by how many syllables someone gives "Saipan."
Even people who've been here a long time can have trouble with Mangilao, and the name of the capital is a pretty reliable way to figure out when somebody arrived on the island.
 
2:54 AM
But also, in private beta people usually make up questions, that's what they're told to do afterall.
 
Yeah, so it's important to remind people in a recently-made-public beta that we're shifting our focus, and to not accidentally reinforce an outdated mode.
 
3:34 AM
@Randal'Thor read this: feverbee.com/active
> Community activity is often several layers removed from clear value.
And also, this is pretty typical for a private beta.
 
3:47 AM
o_O
 
4:04 AM
@NapoleonWilson I wasn't sure if the deleted comments were funny or mean. I thought they were funny when I posted them, but I thought about it again and realized that they might actually be mean. I have a sarcastic sense of humor in real life. Anyway, I didn't want to be mean to anyone, so I deleted the comments. Just know that my intention was to make a joke; whether I succeeded is questionable.
 
@NapoleonWilson are you upset?
 
@Hamlet What? Why?
(No, not at all.)
If anything, I'm confused now. ;-)
 
@NapoleonWilson IDK, just not thinking clearly
 
I was confused to begin with, then understood and agreed with things (in the process of which I looked upset).
 
 
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10:41 AM
I'm tempted to nominate V for Vendetta as a reading challenge - someone has to overthrow 1984 as the most asked-about totalitarian dystopia on this website. Plus, it's British, so people (hopefully) will have no trouble reading it
 
11:27 AM
Hey, this seems like a good fit for Literature:
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Q: Who said it first - Orwell or Churchill?

Scarlet KleenOne of my favorite quotes is Churchill's "We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us." But recently I found out that Orwell was attributed with "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to d...

@Randal'Thor how about migrating it?
 
@Gallifreyan But it doesn't really expand the cultural breadth of the site.
@Gallifreyan No close votes on it yet. Can't migrate something unless it's off-topic.
 
@Randal'Thor voted and flagged
@Randal'Thor I still think it could be beneficial to ask about something other than novels and poetry, but I'll come up with some other comics/graphic novels.
 
11:51 AM
@BESW Not necessarily. An initial motivation of "I should be asking more questions" can lead to great stuff if one's willing to spend enough time thinking up good questions as opposed to just questions.
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12:07 PM
@Gallifreyan why remove the comics tag from the V for Vendetta question?
 
@MartinEnder is it about comics? I felt that it didn't need a medium tag. Maybe we should start a meta about the correct usage of the tag.
 
yeah that might be good
(I don't necessarily disagree with removing the tag, but I couldn't see how the usage there is much different from how it's used in other places)
 
Related:
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Q: A proposal for [poetry] and [short-stories]

Rand al'ThorWe've had a couple of discussions about these tags already: Is [poetry] too broad / how should we use the tag? How should we use [short-stories]? Consensus in both cases was to keep the tags, but much of the reason boiled down to "it's not bad enough to get rid of", and nobody really addresse...

 
We've got separate discussions for those, which Rand al'Thor linked above. Being able to see recent questions about all poems is helpful, in way that's different from being able to search for individual poets. That's not the issue under discussion here. — Standback Feb 15 at 10:55
 
@Gallifreyan ?
 
12:15 PM
I feel like we shouldn't tag all questions about a work that is a comic with the , but reserve it for questions about the genre/medium itself
 
What does that comment (on a downvoted answer) have to do with the applicability of my proposal to the tag?
 
@Randal'Thor you propose a general tag for works that are too short to have their ow tag. I say we shouldn't use a medium tag for works published as that medium, but rather about the medium itself
2 completely different questions
 
Two completely different answers to the same question, surely?
I'm saying we SHOULD use a medium tag for all questions about works in that medium, provided the works are short enough.
 
@Randal'Thor good thing about comics is that they're either obscenely long series or sufficiently self-contained to have their own individual work tag. The former we luckily didn't have to deal with so far.
 
@Gallifreyan How do you mean, sufficiently self-contained?
 
12:23 PM
@Randal'Thor what we call "graphic novels", comic series that are complete
 
I thought the difference between a comic book and a graphic novel was essentially the size of the volume?
 
@Randal'Thor it's largely arbitrary, but most works that are considered graphic novels by public are usually the ones that have a cult following, or the "classic" status. A graphic novel is still a comic book, but somehow elevated in the perception of fans
 
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Q: Who said it first - Orwell or Churchill?

Scarlet KleenOne of my favorite quotes is Churchill's "We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us." But recently I found out that Orwell was attributed with "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to d...

 
@Gallifreyan ... and therefore popular enough to deserve their own tag?
 
@Randal'Thor not necessarily popular. It's just that I know what you're referring to when you say "Killing Joke" or "Watchmen". With other comics, you can say "All-Star Superman", but then there's the problem of the correct issue - was it #75, or #25, before the series got retconned?
I feel like "graphic novels" are essentially just novels, with a bit of graphic in them. By no effort of imagination can I call the comics that get published weekly "graphic novels"
Great, now I feel I know even less about the distinction than before.
 
12:35 PM
There was a question about this on the site.
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Q: How are graphic novels different from comic books?

Ankit SharmaI always get confused between the terms comic-book and graphic novel. What makes a comic-book be referred to as Graphic novel? What is the difference between both of the terms?

... oh, you answered it.
 
@Randal'Thor hence my confusion. The problem is that even the authors don't accept "graphic novels" as a categorisation, which makes it even harder to come up with a definition
As one of the answers point out, some works were published as series and then were collected and achieved the status of "graphic novels"
 
12:52 PM
@Gallifreyan just saw your new answer. I guess there's still a chance that they explicitly added the room to have an Orwell reference (unless there's evidence that the room already existed in earlier drafts?)
 
@MartinEnder possibly, but I wasn't able to conjure any evidence either way.
 
1:12 PM
I guess I'll put that comics tag back on the V for Vendetta question. It's better to just use it for all comics, by the same logic we use authors tags on all of their works.
 
1:26 PM
@Riker turns out you can configure Terminal to insult you whenever you enter the sudo password wrong
 
yep
have done
it's on OS X also
 
I just got "My pet ferret can type better than you!"
 
hahaha
well can it?
 
@Riker so the evidence suggests
 
lol
 
1:27 PM
@Riker I dunno, @AncientSwordRage, can you?
 
Or "Listen, burrito brains, I don't have time to listen to this trash."
 
TIL ASR is sudo's pet ferret
 
Tilasr is a good name for a ferret.
 
 
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5:22 PM
@BESW I tried reading solarpunk and I couldn't get through it
maybe it's because I just didn't read the right stories. But I just didn't think any of the stories really had a creative vision of the future.
 
5:51 PM
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Q: Why does Shakespeare's Julius Caesar switch to Latin for the "Et tu, Brute" line?

Rand al'ThorLike all of Shakespeare's plays, his Julius Caesar is of course written and performed almost entirely in English. But there is one line of this particular play - perhaps the most famous - which is always reproduced in the original Latin: CASCA: Speak, hands, for me! CASCA first, then the...

 
 
2 hours later…
7:25 PM
Anyone alive here?
 
user15026
I am :)
 
I'm a zombie.
 
user15026
Please don't eat my brains ;)
 
Why so silent today?
 
Weekend.
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Q: Why do zombies eat our brains?

DaftDo we know the first, or at least possibly the most influential, occurrence of zombies targeting humans for our delicious brains? And do we know why they go for that organ specifically?

 
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7:32 PM
I love that someone asked about that
 
8:18 PM
@Hamlet That seems about right; like I said, Solarpunk is an idea of a genre looking for works which fit it. Usually genre happens the other way around.
I'm interested in finding good stories that fit is ethos, but my interest is actually more focused on designing an RPG system/setting/campaign about people engaged in creating that vision of the future.
For example, a game about blue-collar workers harvesting rare metals from space junk.
I see solarpunk stories as most interesting when exploring how a society navigates the shift from short-sighted self-interest to enlightened self-interest as a primary motive force.
 
8:37 PM
I see the difference between "short-sighted self-interest to enlightened self-interest" as a false dichotomy; I don't think those two types of motivation make sense as categories
Maybe that's why I can't get into solarpunk
 
Mmm, I'm condensing a VERY big idea into a very small space and losing a lot in translation.
And it's very much my personal reading into solarpunk, not a necessary interpretation of the general solarpunk manifesto.
 
user15026
I'm mostly still trying to figure out what solarpunk is
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So's solarpunk.
 
user15026
Well, sure, but they have to have some general idea of what they're doing, no?
 
@BESW I don't think you're simplifying things, I think that's how most people are approaching solarpunk
@Ash an extremely extremely extremely general idea
And I don't like it, I think it's an unimaginative, simplistic way of looking at the world
 
8:41 PM
@Hamlet I mean, I'm bringing in ideas about humanity's progress from other places and lying them next to solarpunk and seeing how they match up.
 
@BESW I don't think "humanity's progress" is a valid way to look at humanity
Progress is an ideology.
 
So's solarpunk.
 
@BESW Then I think solarpunk is probably too simplistic/unimaginative for me.
I am interested in learning more about your RPG though, let me know when you have more details planned for that.
 
I think you're using words in very specific ways that I'm not familiar with. It feels like you're seeing "progress" and "ideology" as particular catchphrases with a lot of baggage associated with them.
 
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@Hamlet Which is all well and good but can someone enlighten me to what that is?
 
8:47 PM
@BESW I have to go finish some work, but I'll elaborate at a later time.
 
user15026
Okay, so it's more of an aesthetic ideal than anything practical, at least in the current form. So I can see why defining it and finding works that fit are tricky, because other than the aesthetic ideal, nothing is really all that hashed out.
 
Yeah.
I like focusing on the -punk prefix, which I've studied a bit and given some thought to in the past.
-punk is about infrastructural resistance, repurposing the infrastructure of the existing paradigm to push against that same paradigm.
eg, "cyberpunk" is about using bodged-together hacks of corporate high technology to subvert and exploit the corporate overlords the tech comes from.
I've talked about it a bit here in relation to silkpunk.
If we think about solarpunk in that sense, its most compelling stories aren't set in distant futures where its ideals have been achieved; solarpunk is about the early days of innovation and resistance when its proponents are arguing about its tools and objectives while a non-solarpunk infrastructure is still in place. And in that sense we can see elements of solarpunk in contemporary society.
 
9:13 PM
(Yes, your Shibboleth link got me looking at this guy.)
 
9:32 PM
@BESW I have a feeling not many people might share this admittedly accurate definition. I guess most people don't really ponder much about the significance of "-punk" in terms like "cyberpunk" or "steampunk" and it might simply have devolved into generally denoting a technonolical and aesthetic stetting apart from the usual, at least in less elaborately literary mainstream thought. So I'm not sure that post credited with the original idea shares the particular direction of your definition.
But sure, if it's all a green sugar happy land, the "punk" aspect suffers, I guess.
@Randal'Thor However, that frontpage still usually consist of rather new posts, primarily because I try to do my review and editing work at least once a day or every two days. The philosophy isn't really that much different from SciFi's, in the sense that we definitely do care about messing up the frontpage, it's just way less extremely/strictly executed than on SciFi. In fact our attitude of preserving the frontpage has caused us major trouble with overenthusiastic editors in the past.
 
@NapoleonWilson Woh, that was an old message to reply to. Did you just search for mentions of your name in here or something?
 
@Randal'Thor No, it was right under one of those whateverpunk messages that I probably reached from following a link here.
 

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