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04:42
@JohnRennie Hi
Are u free
@Aladdin hi :-)
Yes I'm free.
So $B = \sin(100\pi t)$
u meant Bosin(wt) where B0 is maximum magnetic field?
Oops, yes.
@JohnRennie For q75 i did:
400=(50)X(500 X 10^-4)X(Flux density)X(100 $\pi$)
it's not matching for some reason
The EMF induced in the secondary is just the ratio of the number of turns so it's 400*1000/50 = 8000V. And you can calculate the flux using either the primary or secondary voltage since it will come out the same. We'll use the primary.
Assuming that 400V is the RMS voltage the voltage will be $V(t) = 400\sqrt{2} \sin( 100\pi t)$
04:52
ok
And to get the flux we have to integrate this giving:
$$ \Phi(t) = \frac{400\sqrt{2}}{100\pi} \cos(100\pi t) $$
And $\Phi = NAB$ so:
$$ B(t) = \frac{400\sqrt{2}}{100\pi~50~0.05} \cos(100\pi t) $$
OK so far?
I get the prefactor to be 0.72T
Ah that's the answer
Where had you gone wrong?
Ah, you were just $\sqrt{2}$ out.
You didn't realise the 400V was the RMS not the peak voltage.
04:59
So we have to take rms values
To be fair the question doesn't make that clear.
 
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06:03
@JohnRennie Do u know about stresses and strain
and elasticity curve
@JohnRennie
can u tell what the black box says about axially longation stress
is it saying we need to calculate for stress for the middle circular portion?
because the net stress is zero there
I'm not sure I understand the diagram. I don't understand what the forces shown by the red arrows mean.
i think they mean load force
If you have some object under tension then the tension is the same everywhere in the object, and the stress is the tension divided by the cross sectional area. So the stress would be lower in the large cylinder because it has a higher area.
@Aladdin but I don't get why the force at the end of the large cylinder is 54kN and the force at the end of the small cylinder is 45kN.
Does that mean the total force on the large cylinder is 54 + 45kN?
06:20
should i post solution
because even idk what they are doing
Yes, because as it is I don't understand what is being asked.
They are calculating the stress by dividing the force by the area. So far so good.
But I don't understand how they are getting the numbers for the force. I think the diagram must be wrong.
can't the forces be part of the question?As in they gave the forces and we need to calculate the stress
Looking at the diagram the force on the large cylinder AB is 54 kN. But they are saying the force on the large cylinder is 54 - 45 = 9 kN.
06:28
ahh
wait
i posted wrong solution
Yes that makes more sense.
The force on the end of the BC cylinder is 45 kN and that is the only force acting on the cylinder. OK so far?
So the stress is just $\sigma = F/A$. Putting $F = 45$ kN and the area of the small cylinder you get the stress. Yes?
06:33
Yes
For the large cylinder AB there is a force of 45 kN because the force is transmitted through the small cylinder to the large cylinder. But there is an extra force being applied to the end of the large cylinder of 54 kN. So the total force on the large cylinder is 54 + 45 = 99 kN. Yes?
And again the stress is just $\sigma = F/A$.
ah ok
It's a very straightforward question, but just poorly stated.
07:10
@JohnRennie Hi
@Aladdin hi
can u tell what point they are trying to show here
I don't think there is anything very profound being shown there. It's just showing how metals fail when they are stressed past their yield stress.
what exactly is failing
ah the elastic property of the metals ig
If you take a metal rod and apply an increasing force to it then at first it behaves ideally i.e. obeys Hooke's law. Yes?
07:15
yes
But all metals contain defects in the crystal structure. These are called dislocations.
yea]
At a high enough stress these dislocations start to move through the metal and the metal starts to deform plastically. The stress at which the dislocations start to move is called the yield stress.
aha okay
For steel the stress-strain curve actually shows a dip when the dislocations start to move, while the aluminium rod just shows a change of gradient. I'm not sure how significant this difference is.
07:19
ohkay
Yield point strain = Usually 2% of the total strain
Anyhow, as the dislocations move they start to tangle up with each other and get to the point where they can't move any more. As this happens the metal actually gets stronger. This process is known as work hardening. Here they've called it strain hardening but it's the same thing.
ok
what about necking
Eventually the metal gets to the point where none of the dislocations can move any more, and then the metal breaks.
why if dislocations don't move the metals break?
Necking means the metal breaks by forming a thinned region. Let me see if I can find a picture to show what I mean.
The "neck" is the region that thins as the metal breaks.
07:26
Using Paint Shop Pro? :-)
nah i still use paint for these things xD
Boo :-)
@JohnRennie Do u know why the graph rises then falls then rises then again falls
The final fall is when the metal starts to form a neck. What happens is the neck reduces the cross section area so once the neck forms the metal deforms plastically and snaps.
I don't know why steel shows an initial fall after the yield stress while aluminium doesn't.
07:34
ok
do u know what those dotted lines are
@JohnRennie
I suspect that the vertical axis is actually recording force not stress.
The way you do these measurements is you put the rod into a machine that applies a strain increasing linearly with time and the machine measures the force. Then the force is converted to a stress by dividing it by the original cross sectional area of he rod.
OK so far?
But as the neck forms it reduces the cross sectional area of the rod and the calculation of the stress doesn't take this into account because it just divides the measured force by what is assumed to be a constant area.
So as the neck forms the stress is really higher than the graph shows because the reduction in area isn't being taken into account.
07:49
ah ok
So the dashed line shows the true stress i.e. the measured force divided by the reduced area.
There are probably videos on YouTube showing how the tester works ...
ok .I will serch about them
That's a pretty standard test rig. It nicely shows the neck formation as the rod fails.
why did they remove that thing after yield strength was founf
I think the extensometer is a very sensitive length measurement and they use it in the early stages because up to the yield stress the length changes are very small. Once the metal has started yielding the length changes are a lot bigger and you no longer need a very accurate measurement.
And I guess the extensometer could get damaged when the rod breaks.
08:02
ok
Though to be honest that's a guess ...
08:18
@JohnRennie what's difference between elastic limit and yield point
Elastic Limit: The maximum
stress or force per unit area
within a solid material that
can arise before the onset of
permanent deformation.
In this diagram, 2nd point gives
the elastic limit.
Yield Stress: A yield strength or
yield point of a material is
defned as the stress at which
a material begins to deform
plastically.
Prior to the yield point the
material will deform elastically
and returns to its original
shape when stress is removed
The elastic limit is the strain at which permanent deformation occurs i.e. up to the elastic limit if you remove the stress the metal will return to its original length.
yes
what happens between elastic limit and yield pont
I'm not sure how much difference there is between the terms elastic limit and yield point.
3
Q: Yield Point and Elastic Limit

AhnafElastic Limit - the point upto which the wire reatins its original length after the force is withdrawn. Yield Point - The point where there is a large permanent change in length with no extra load force. These are how these two are defined in my A Level book and also stated by my teacher. In W...

I suspect yield point can mean different things to different people.
09:06
@JohnRennie Hi
@Aladdin hi
i didnt get what they did
I think the way you analyse these diagrams is to start at the right end. The force at the right end is 120kN so the force on the right cylinder is 120 kN.
The extension is given by $\delta \ell/\ell = \sigma/E$
OK so far?
09:16
ok
So we can calculate the extension of the right cylinder $\delta\ell = \sigma\ell/E$. The force is 120 kN so we divide by the area to get the stress then multiply by $\ell/E$ to give the extension.
Then we have to calculate $\delta\ell$ for the middle cylinder.
yes that makes sense
Now, the middle cylinder has the rightmost force of 120 kN acting on it, but there is an extra force of -180 kN i.e. a 180 kN force to the left. So the total force acting on the middle cylinder is a compressive force of -60 kN. Yes?
So again we calculate $\delta\ell = \sigma\ell/E$ with $\sigma = -60/A$ where $A$ is the area of the middle cylinder. This extension comes out negative because it's actually a compression. Add this to the extension we calculated for the right cylinder and we get the total extension of the two cylinders.
OK so far?
09:22
ok
Finally for the left cylinder (AB) we have the -60 kN sum of the two right forces plus the extra +300 kN force exerted at B so the total force is +240 kN. Yes?
And you use this 240 kN force to calculate the extension of the AB cylinder. Add this to the two extensions we already calculated and you get the final result.
ah ok
i see what we do
09:47
@JohnRennie Can this be solved since P' is not given?
I think we can assume $P' = P$.
If that wasn't the case the system wouldn't be in equilibrium.
do we need equilibrium here
Yes. Unless you want the rod to go accelerating away from you.
okay
@JohnRennie Why do we need to include the middle cylinder
wouldn't net force be zero there
@Aladdin no, the tension is constant everywhere in the whole system. The stress varies because the area varies, but the tension is constant.
10:03
so inside the cyinders the force T is present everywhere
how will u judge the directon of T for middle cylinder
The tension is always along the axis of the cylinders. It has to be because the whole system is axially symmetric.
ok
but it can point left and right right
tension always acts in both directions.
If you take the cylinder AB then the stress is $\sigma = P/A_{ab}$, and you can use this stress to calculate the extension $\delta_{ab}$
The cylinder CD has the same dimensions as AB so $\delta_{cd} = \delta_{ab}$.
Then the stress in the middle cylinder BC is $\sigma_{bc} = P/A_{bc}$, and you use this to calculate $\delta_{bc}$.
10:12
ok
Then the total extension is $\delta_{ab} + \delta_{bc} + \delta_{cd}$
but do we know if bc is elongating or deforming
cd is elongating
ab is elongating
so bc is also elongating?
The whole object is elongating ...
All parts of it are elongating, though the middle bit stretches more than the end bits because the middle bit is thinner.
ah got it
dumb old me couldn't get this.
10:44
@JohnRennie had a small doubt
Why have they not included PX10^3 in the box calculation
But in next line assume P as kn?
Won't that mess with calculation
11:10
@Aladdin hi, sorry, I was on the phone.
@JohnRennie Hi
can u help me with this and one last doubt after that
I'd have to go through the calculation to see if they have lost a factor of $10^3$ somewhere, but I feel little excitement at the thought of doing that.
What was the last question?
the solution is this:
for some reason they are equating the stress....
11:19
I think what they are saying is that both metals have to extend by the same amount because they are fused into a single cylinder so $\delta_{cu} = \delta_{al} = \delta$
And for both metals $\sigma = E\delta/\ell$
ah
i suppose that would explain the calculation
So $P_{cu} = A_{cu}E_{cu}\delta/\ell$ and $P_{al} = A_{al}E_{al}\delta/\ell$
Yeah i can take from here\
Cool :-)
thanks a lot!
11:22
I'm going now but I'll be back later or tomorrow as usual.
okay

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