The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

@WadCheber And I understand your point but I hope that you recognize that it is not OK for users in any room on the network to attack known or unknown flaggers for feeling that a flag was necessary. What is important is to respond to the flag with grace regardless of whether you think it's warranted or not.

@Ixrec Oh. I still see Harry whenever I look at it.

@Ixrec Who is your profile pic? I always thought it was Harry Potter until I zoomed in.

@WadCheber You can only give people so many timeouts before it becomes clear that they have no respect for the community and need to be removed.

there is a lot of people talking past each other in this conversation though

floofs just happen to be one of the traditions that was being done by people not part of the post-Mos exodus so they remain intact

@WadCheber And you wonder why Mos had so many issues...

@WadCheber That attitude is not acceptable. That is exactly the sort of reaction that is inappropriate. The user who reacts that way should not be welcome here.

@WadCheber You're only looking at it from the point of view of the flagee... If someone is honestly uncomfortable with something being discussed but worries that letting someone know publicly that they have an issue with it - perhaps they have personal things they don't want to make public here... they have the right to present their case in a private manner.

@Ixrec That's the thing - flagging creates a conflict between the flagee and a faceless "opponent". People are more likely to lash out at the faceless opponent than a person who speaks up and says "this is a problematic conversation, let's talk about Wookiees"

@DCOPTimDowd so was I, but I regret doing so

@Ixrec Not with that attitude. If people are afraid to flag for any reason that's a problem and it means that the site isn't functioning correctly.

When a site/room becomes known for trouble, flags - whether justified or frivolous - invite overreaction and excessive responses.

@DCOPTimDowd No, but we were really good at it.

@Edlothiad facepalm and that just pinged every network moderator.

Flag legitimately flagworthy thing, all hell breaks loose, we lose our chat room.

@Avery I said "ask Catija" I'm safe

It isn't that cool.

One freeze began with a mod saying "Flag me".

@Catija that kinda completely contradicts the claim that it's for cleaning up any bad content, even if the user has since been persuaded it was inappropriate

@Edlothiad If a moderator sees that you've flagged them for some reason, please know that it's standard recommendations for mods to not handle flags that relate to themselves. Also, if a moderator were to take it out on you somehow, that would be considered bad form and a breech of the moderator agreement.

If people are honestly trying to discuss this, I'd like to help facilitate that and I think it would be appreciated if you would respect that.

You can delete your own messages until 3 seconds before you realize that you should probably delete one of your messages.

Flagging Shog makes things worse.

Flagging is for helping users get bad content removed.

I've also seen at least two users say that they're not going to use flags and would rather people talk it out in chat... which defeats the purpose of flagging... allowing a user who feels uncomfortable to have a private way to report it.

(by the way, does anyone actually know firsthand of people who were afraid to flag things, rather than guessing/assuming such people must exist? I've never known anyone who contemplated using the flag system at all, much less decided against using it)

@Ixrec Not sure why we'd have any more insight than you, really... it's up to this community, and yes, that includes the non-SFF mods who frequent it, to keep this room reigned in. It's certainly been achieved but it's not all on the mods... the non-mod users probably have more ability to moderate the actions because they can cast flags without them being instantly binding. I really wish people wouldn't be so afraid to flag something.

same 4 every year would be lame imo

no one reads descriptions so it's probably fine as is

and part of the point is to deliberately not have "Mos" anywhere near the name of anything anymore

I'd prefer we stick with place names that a huge subset of our audience would recognize but it's possible I'm being dumb on this one

Daily Floof 2017-05-21

Well, people are expected to read the answer in its entirety, sure.

@Babelfish vtc:ot

> "Father, I have sinned. It has been 7 hours since my last flag validation."

@Edlothiad Just go through old questions and flag chatty comments. Or flag "thanks" comments (if you aren't already).

on Worldbuilding, whenever I see a question that reminds me of another question, I'll post that question in a comment. That way, I build a web for myself if I ever need to find one of the questions again

Yay! Reptiles are great.

I'm going to go back to not being excited about reptiles now

#snekfloofsmatter

@DCOPTimDowd do we? (I can't tell if this is a setup)

@DaaaahWhoosh based on SE "include your research". I mean give us something that lead you to this conclusion