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Backup Room – The h Bar

A backup room for when The h Bar is busy. (https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/71/the-h-bar)
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Relativisticcucumber
Jan 18 21:43
Okay, I understand. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't internalizing the information wrong, and I got the clarification I was seeking. I respect that this is your take on the situation. I just do not wish to be a part of a community that acts this way, so I will refrain from engaging in the future.
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ACuriousMind
Sep 27, 2024 16:31
oh, sorry, I forgot about that - if a message of yours is moved to a room you get automatically invited to it :/
John Rennie
Apr 19, 2024 10:04
@MartinSleziak Thanks :-) That room is no longer being used so I'm going to let it quietly die.
DanielSank
Jun 23, 2017 07:35
dmckee seemed to think it ok to give the benefit of the doubt and laugh it off. Good idea, IMHO.
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ACuriousMind
May 20, 2018 16:35
In these rooms, the reaction to "Hey, can we switch topics?" is generically "sure", not "why?". The reaction to "that's a bit harsh" is generically "Hm, maybe it is, sorry" not "They deserved it". The reaction to someone with a question coming into the room is people engaging with them, not responses like "Why do you care, physics is garbage anyway". This is what Be Nice is about, and I do not feel that strict rules are necessary to understand this.
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Semiclassical
May 18, 2018 18:42
my being skeptical about mod authority in general doesn't mean I approve of a mod witch hunt
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David Z
May 17, 2017 20:23
@heather We can certainly try to clarify why we're deleting messages, but a couple caveats: first, even if we have a hard time explaining why a message gets deleted (especially in the moment), that doesn't necessarily mean the message was appropriate and shouldn't have been deleted. Second, if the people we're explaining to aren't receptive to the explanations, it defeats the point of explaining, and incentivizes us not to bother explaining to those people in the future.
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heather
Feb 22, 2017 20:41
wait, so you are judging these objections as "valid"?
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Shog9
Feb 7, 2017 00:11
@heather I would strongly encourage you to put your thoughts together into an answer on ACM's meta post then.
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DanielSank
Feb 6, 2017 18:10
I'm pretty sure we want our own discussion and our own policy on how to handle this issue.
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Balarka Sen
May 20, 2018 16:18
So, good luck.
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Balarka Sen
May 18, 2018 18:39
My stance and word of advice: Let's all move past the point where harm comes to hbar for dwindling on this issue. I'm sure the moderation has understood and will consider the option of discourse.
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Balarka Sen
May 18, 2018 18:14
But that means that a discourse is necessary if y'all want this policy to be successful.
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nitsua60
Mar 20, 2018 23:08
I would just suggest it'd be good for the whole room to keep in mind: as much history as may be going on in any conversation, every day is probably also someone's first day in the room. What do they learn about what's expected/acceptable/wanted? Because that's what'll propogate.
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vzn
Jul 16, 2017 17:05
it has some analogy to currency systems. gaming and currency systems are now recognized to overlap in some cases, more overlap over last few yrs. suspect rep distributions follow power laws & some other dynamics like wealth distribution. supply and demand, psychology (of scarcity) play a role, etc. but many physicists still scoff at econophysics. whatever.
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SevenSidedDie
May 17, 2017 20:17
What we'd like to see happen instead, is taking those as examples of what the overall judgement of mods and staff hold about how to apply Be Nice, and see those examples learned from. A single message being removed isn't a huge black mark, but they add up if nobody is trying to learn from them and just keeps doing it.
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rob
Mar 20, 2017 19:29
But you have to use your head to see which is which. This is why we have human beings for moderators instead of robots that count words.
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heather
Feb 22, 2017 20:42
that doesn't seem like community decision. that seems like community suggestion and moderator decision.
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vzn
Feb 7, 2017 00:04
@Shog9 just want to say thx for dropping by & contributing am sure there are better things to do around SE, a bit surprised you have time for this :)
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DanielSank
Feb 6, 2017 18:13
DZ has said over and over that he thinks mods should not craft site policy.
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David Z
Jan 7, 2017 22:50
@HarshaG. Most of the time this room is pretty quiet, and you'll have better luck in our main chat room.
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AccidentalFourierTransform
Jun 4, 2018 00:31
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Balarka Sen
May 28, 2018 16:07
I have no wish to escalate this to the SE team. I do want to point out that the moderating team shouldn't be as condescendingly self-righteous as it is right now.
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Balarka Sen
May 28, 2018 16:06
@rob But surely you see that the majority of the people who has taken part in this conversation centering around the suspension issue has disagreed with the moderation on whatever bits of the aspects they have argued on? We trust you in the sense that you're laying out a coherent, reasoned debate which helps us gain insight into the moderation policy. But almost all of us (who have taken part in this discussion) have disagreed with various aspects of your application of the policies.
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bolbteppa
May 28, 2018 16:00
@rob lets assume this decision to ban this user for period X is 100% justifiable, the idea of a year ban is tantamount to kicking a person off the side completely, but you've simply said with such a ban that whatever was done is not bad enough to merit that, they can come back in a year, a year, it's simply vindictive to place a full year instead of a few days, there is absolutely nothing to be gained from a year ban, it's completely unjustifiable as a 'punishment'
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Sir Cumference
May 28, 2018 14:50
It's just bizarre to see him suspended for that reason, and have next to no response from mods
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Secret
May 28, 2018 14:49
anyway, while chat have evolved beyond the need for 0celo to sustain activity, losing him will rob a lot of maths discussion from the chat and that is no good
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skull
May 27, 2018 04:20
Drop It Like It's Hot by Snoop Dogg ft. Pharrell | Interscope
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vzn
May 27, 2018 00:36
lol, well there you have it, on a site with thousands of users and thousands of voting buttons. seems undemocratic. seems sometimes all the populist appearances/ claims of SE/ mod service to users amount to just a sham... guess we all now know whos in charge around here
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Eulb
May 21, 2018 04:07
okay well actions speak stronger than words anyway.
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Balarka Sen
May 20, 2018 21:44
I'm not going to continue to be active on hbar so I'll slowly stop talking about the meta babble here. If other wants to do it, that sounds constructive.
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Balarka Sen
May 20, 2018 17:09
You decide on the most likely interpretation by observing how the chatters interpret it. If there's an offensive message, more users will flag it. This is why the flag system of SE is inherently broken; it gives an individual a monopoly over it by enabling the power to them to send it to the review queue by a single flag, and the reviewers then inevitable justify the flag biased towards the flagger, on any potential interpretation which could render it offensive, unwelcoming, not nice.
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Balarka Sen
May 19, 2018 16:25
The more people talk about it, the more it will get attention. (On that note, upvote this answer instead of just talking about it)
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nitsua60
May 19, 2018 12:22
hbar stands out in the network as a Bad Place.
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Physics Meta
May 18, 2018 18:39
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Q: Why did I get chat suspended for a year?

0celo7I've been chat banned for a year after having served a 2-day sentence. Can you please point out what I said that was particularly offensive? I don't believe I said anything wrong, at all. (Of course all of the messages are deleted so there's no evidence of anything.) My version of the events is...

bug chat moderation
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rob
May 18, 2018 18:32
I'm closing this question because a mod message with proper explanations is forthcoming. We can decide later how much of this conversation should continue in public. — rob ♦ 1 min ago
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vzn
Apr 11, 2018 15:27
(reviewed latest transcript, whew!) think nitusa60 has a point about flags. the way to to see them is that they correlate with borderline content. there seems to be black and white thinking about flags on both sides. flags are not a perfect mechanism nor can they be. individual chat lines are not entirely harmful or harmless. as for BaSe/ 0celo7 being annoyed about "invalid flags" it seems likely they are not being flagged consistently by particular individuals...
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nitsua60
Apr 11, 2018 11:29
You've been pointed to relevant metas, I've explained much of my thinking to you, and you've had feedback from nearly a hundred flaggers and validators what sorts of things aren't welcome. You've got more than enough information to learn how to conduct yourself in an appropriate manner.
I've no indication that you're actually interested in genuine dialog on the matter: self-reflective questions I've put to you go unanswered, criticisms of specific actions of yours get deflected, in every situation we've discussed you say everyone else is to blame. Please don't disturb me until/unless you ca…
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Secret
Aug 8, 2017 16:46
reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/6s4j6q/rescheduling_the_sun
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heather
May 17, 2017 20:51
@SevenSidedDie let me make this clear: just because SE says "be nice" doesn't mean that anything you think approaches not nice is worthy of deletion. that's why users are important in gray areas for more clearly drawing the line.
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SevenSidedDie
May 17, 2017 19:57
@heather Keep in mind that what gets removed is also a way of communicating guidelines. Pushing back against that, then objecting that no information is given, is part of the problem.
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Bernardo Meurer
May 17, 2017 17:07
Call me south american, call me brazilian, american, call me fucking martian if you will
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rob
Apr 23, 2017 17:58
@paracetamol Depends on whether you continue being a pain the butt or not :-)
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rob
Apr 23, 2017 17:44
The hbar is primarily a place for people to have conversations with each other. If you're part of the conversation, you'll have some sense of what's appropriate. If you're not, a cartoon about a lion smiling at his crotch is annoying, whether it's offensive or not.
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rob
Apr 23, 2017 17:24
Cyanide and Happiness pretty much exists to push boundaries.
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heather
Feb 22, 2017 20:51
@DavidZ "so those probably aren't going to happen if the mods are overall against them" - you have to accept that as mods you are carrying out community policy. if you all disagree, sorry, but the community agreed on it. that seems directly against the purpose of mods.
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DanielSank
Feb 15, 2017 16:58
The homework policy is still confusing. The meta post I made about changing the name is still as highly upvoted as it ever was. What do I need to do to enact change?
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Emilio Pisanty
Apr 1, 2020 10:54
it's maybe sufficient to find candidate questions that define macros and then inspect by hand to see whether the answers have broken TeX
Emilio Pisanty
Apr 1, 2020 10:53
@MartinSleziak the XML in the data dump is indeed probably the place to go if this needs machine processing
ACuriousMind
Feb 13, 2017 22:06
It's the way the flagging system works - everyone knows its a bit broken (search mother meta), but no one's come up with a better version for SE to implement. If you don't wanna risk getting autosuspended, don't say things that can be taken the wrong way by random onlookers.
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