Conversation started Mar 31, 2012 at 11:24.
Mar 31, 2012 11:24
@DavidWallace As far as I know, 'b' is not pronounced after 'm' at the end of words. Like in "numb" or "bomb" or "climb", ... Can you think of any word where 'b' is pronounced after 'm'?
Luke 2:10 and Luke 23:34 to be precise.
"And the angel said to them, “Fear not, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy"
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Q: Which tense to use in this situation?

Confused1I am writing a summary for last year and I have just realized that I do not know what tense to use in the following situation: Since 2009 I have been developing a computer program. As I am describing what I was working on last year, what tense should I use? I think I cannot use simple past tense ...

@Meysam I can't think of one, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one. Maybe you could ask this as a question; somebody else might think of one. Of course, RegDwight will come along and close it, but you might get a good answer before he does so.
I could swear I've seen a question about a very similar sentence, or even the very same, just yesterday.
Mar 31, 2012 11:28
Now that's freaky. I type his name, and he appears half a second before I press ENTER.
I suspect there are no exceptions.
@RegDwight you really are Satan, aren't you?
@DavidWallace I will ask when he appears to be asleep
Wise.
@DavidWallace How do you think Satan would respond?
Mar 31, 2012 11:29
Laugh in an hysterical, devellish manner?
Not you. You know him too well.
Fair enough.
Gah! Now in addition to "x questions with new activity" they also have "1 new answer to this question".
And when I click on it, it looks kinda broken.
My goodness, I can think of dozens of -mb words where the b is silent, but none where it's pronounced. Note that the mb doesn't have to be at the end of a word, for the b to be silent (like plumber).
@DavidWallace lumberjack.
Mar 31, 2012 11:32
No, we're talking about -mb at the end of the word, having a dumb b.
like cucumber
@DavidWallace you only just said it did not have to be at the end of the word.
You are changing your opinion faster than women buy shoes.
Meysam asked if there were cases of a non-silent B at the end of a word, following an M. I said I couldn't think of any; but I also said that there were sometimes silent Bs following Ms in the middle of a word. Please try to understand me before you misrepresent me.
I'll do my very best.
10 mins ago, by Meysam
@DavidWallace As far as I know, 'b' is not pronounced after 'm' at the end of words. Like in "numb" or "bomb" or "climb", ... Can you think of any word where 'b' is pronounced after 'm'?
Mar 31, 2012 11:35
I didn't catch up on the transcript.
@Meysam - I think I distracted Reg by answering the question that he linked to, and is probably about to close. Quick, ask your question about silent Bs, and maybe he won't notice.
For me, the exchange was: "Note that the mb doesn't have to be at the end of a word, for the b to be silent (like plumber)." - "lumberjack." - "No, we're talking about -mb at the end of the word, having a dumb b."
That is the scope I had to work with.
@RegDwight, well if you hang around here long enough, maybe somebody will teach you how to read a transcript.
@DavidWallace It seems that you are not aware of consequences of distracting a Demigod!
Mar 31, 2012 11:36
So you are telling me that "Note that the mb doesn't have to be at the end of a word, for the b to be silent (like plumber)." changes its meaning depending on context?
You were not looking for a word where the B is pronounced, be it at the end or in the middle?
@RegDwightѬſ道 No, he is telling that b can be silent after m, even in the middle of word
I am saying that it APPEARS that occurring at the end of a word is a SUFFICIENT condition for a B after an M to be silent, but it is certainly not a NECESSARY condition.
Excellent.
@Meysam Distracting a demigod? He looks to me like an elephant with its head stuck in the sand.
Now let me close some questions.
Mar 31, 2012 11:39
@DavidWallace :)))
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Q: What is the meaning of "take" in phrase "that was the reason of the take"?

AnixxWhat is the meaning of the word "take" in the sentence "that was the reason of the take"?

How about this one.
Now the question is, why is b silent after m? because it's hard to pronounce? if it's hard, why is b pronounced after m in a word like cucumber?
@Meysam there is no such thing as "hard to pronounce".
If you see any etymological explanation anywhere involving "hard to pronounce", run. Because it will be awfully wrong.
@RegDwightѬſ道 what about "easier to pronounce"?
Same difference.
Mar 31, 2012 11:43
@Meysam It's hard to pronounce at the end of a word. Other cases where it's silent in the middle of a word are usually made by adding endings to cases where it's slient at the end (like plumber from plumb).
@RegDwightѬſ道 That sounds like one hell of a generalisation.
@DavidWallace so does "easier to pronounce", aren't you noticing.
I am fighting generalizations with their own weapons.
@RegDwightѬſ道 of course there are some sounds hard to pronounce for English speakers
There are loads of cases in loads of languages in which letters, particularly at the ends of words, have become silent due to lazy speech. I could spend all night citing examples.
@Meysam exactly. "To English speakers". That is a completely different statement.
@DavidWallace I could spend all night citing examples of the exact same letters not becoming silent in the exact same position in a different language.
If your mother pronounced "mb" at the end of all words, so would you. You wouldn't think it hard.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Can you cite just one of -mb at the end of a word, in a language other than English? Where the B is still pronounced?
@RegDwightѬſ道 Following that argument, we'd still be pronouncing words the same way Shakespeare's mother did.
Mar 31, 2012 11:47
@DavidWallace катакомбы
@DavidWallace нимб, тромб.
But the B isn't at the end of that example, @Vitaly
@RegDwightѬſ道 OK, thank you. Asked and answered.
@DavidWallace followed by a vowel. also, апломб
But anyway, I really didn't mean to interrupt you and Meysam.
Mar 31, 2012 11:48
ромб, ямб...
I was about to close a couple questions.
So carry on.
@RegDwightѬſ道 What about those children whose mother pass away upon giving birth to them?
@Meysam I don't think there are enough of these to seriously impact the way words are pronounced.
"Rhumb" still has the terminal b sound.
@Meysam obviously those grow up without a mother tongue.
Mar 31, 2012 11:50
@RegDwightѬſ道 When does "couple" mean two and when does it mean a few? How can we know?
@KitFox According to the New Zealand Oxford Dictionary, the B in rhumb is silent.
Of course, an American dictionary may disagree; or even a British one for that matter.
according to Longman Pronunciation Dictionary, rhomb has an alternative pronunciation, which is /rɑːmb/ in AmE and /rɒmb/ in BrE
@DavidWallace actually, it's following your argument of simplicity that we would be pronouncing words the same way Shakespeare's mother did.
no alternatives listed for rhumb
Because if some things are easier to pronounce than others, we'd long have reached the perfect simplicity, no longer simplifiable.
Sorry, @KitFox, what I meant was "hello, lovely to see you". I didn't mean to contradict the first thing you said on arrival. I have been very rude.
@RegDwightѬſ道 I hope you're not misrepresenting me again.
That is not my intention, and never has been.
After 25000 years of speaking lazier and lazier, we wouldn't be able to speak lazier still.
More to the point, all languages would sound the same.
If everyone pronounced every word the same way their mother did, then no language would ever change its pronunciation. (I believe that's the principle of mathematical induction at work). However, the fact that we don't all pronounce everything the same way as Shakespeare is the required reductio ad absurdum.
I am not arguing about that.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Why are you referring to 25000 years ago? Did anything significant happen at that time?
Mar 31, 2012 11:56
I am arguing about your point.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Yes, but eventually, the extra effort required to distinguish one "muh" from another "muh" would cancel out the saving from being lazy.
@Meysam Reg isn't that old.
9 mins ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
But anyway, I really didn't mean to interrupt you and Meysam.
18 mins ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
Now let me close some questions.
@DavidWallace I think the gradual change in every language starts and continues by every mother dying after giving birth.
 
Conversation ended Mar 31, 2012 at 11:57.