Conversation started Apr 23, 2012 at 6:46.
MeysamΒВBẞ8
MeysamΒВBẞ8
Apr 23, 2012 06:46
in this sentence: "There is a standard of communication which is called an Internet Protocol standard"
what's the name of "which is" (grammatically)
(off to eat dinner?)
David Wallace
David Wallace
Apr 23, 2012 07:00
Umm, "which" is a relative pronoun; "is" is an auxiliary verb. I think you mean "the Internet Protocol standard", not "an Internet Protocol standard".
MeysamΒВBẞ8
MeysamΒВBẞ8
Apr 23, 2012 07:33
@DavidWallace Ok, so may question is, when is it possible to omit relative pronoun + auxiliary verb? I think this sentence is fine too: "There is a standard of communication called the Internet Protocol standard"
If it's possible to omit "which is", is the following conversion correct too? "I have a car which is red" => "I have a car red"
David Wallace
David Wallace
Good question, I'd have to think about it.
In "I have a car which is red", "is" is not an auxiliary verb, because "red" is only an adjective, and not a verb. But I don't think I know what the rule is.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Apr 23, 2012 07:53
Relative pronoun + finite form of be + past particple + something dependent on participle=> past participle.
> The man who was called by his wife => the man called by his wife.
Relative pronoun + present finite verb + something dependent on verb phrase => present participle.
> The man who lives nearby => the man living nearby.
This is just the general structure: as always, there are finer rules.
David Wallace
David Wallace
Thank you. I was thinking that this was the sort of question best suited to someone who had learnt English as a second language.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Heh.
I don't remember learning this—in fact, I just made it up.
David Wallace
David Wallace
Shh! You're not supposed to say that!
Cerberus
Cerberus
Oops.
By the way, have you done the game yet?
Vocab game.
It is pretty annoying, and the way it calculates its scores is rather cryptic.
David Wallace
David Wallace
No. I might do it at the weekend, or on Wednesday.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Apr 23, 2012 08:04
wordsmart.com/ws_challenge
OK.
David Wallace
David Wallace
But if I do it in an evening, I shall be too tired to do myself justice.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Don't worry, you will be frustrated at the random scores and inaccurate choices any time of day.
David Wallace
David Wallace
Fun for the whole family then.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Apr 23, 2012 08:20
Yay!
MeysamΒВBẞ8
MeysamΒВBẞ8
@DavidWallace So shall I ask it on the site?
David Wallace
David Wallace
Umm, do you find Cerberus' answer inadequate?
MeysamΒВBẞ8
MeysamΒВBẞ8
It doesn't answer if "I have a car red" is correct or not? does it?
Cerberus
Cerberus
Red is not a participle, so it doesn't work.
David Wallace
David Wallace
OK, I'll tell you that one for free. "I have a car red" is not correct.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Apr 23, 2012 08:36
It only works with a few adjectives, i.e. the ones that can come after their noun.
But, if you stick to the rules I gave, you're safe enough.
MeysamΒВBẞ8
MeysamΒВBẞ8
I find the answer adequate now. Thank you @Cerberus
 
Conversation ended Apr 23, 2012 at 8:37.