Conversation started Apr 24, 2012 at 13:29.
Apr 24, 2012 13:29
Which side do you think was Jasper?
The right of course. Jasper is always right.
You left out the QED.
"Delivered" is IM for "QED".
Apr 24, 2012 13:30
@Robusto I think they spelled it "Delivered".
Jinx
Oh come on.
God, you're all witty today.
No, your not.
All-caps jinx trumps mixed Jinx.
Apr 24, 2012 13:31
@Cerberus that'd be God's omniwit
Oh, you're God too?
he's all witty everyday
No, your god too
My god is Hades.
Apr 24, 2012 13:32
did Hades have any sons?
aka Reg aka Robusto aka Jasper aka Thursagen
in Mathematics, Mar 25 at 3:07, by John Smith
@DavidWallace: you never ask questions, omnipotent?
@Cerberus well the site is duller than normal today, so we're entertaining ourselves
Even duller?
Hmmm.
@DavidWallace John Smith?
Apr 24, 2012 13:35
@Cerberus maybe you have a question up your sleeve for such a rainy day?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 it's immoral to tap other people's conversations
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 which may or may not have been his/her real name.
I usually just pray when I have a question.
Holy crap, what have I missed?
@Cerberus such a good, pious boy you are
Apr 24, 2012 13:36
@Meysamرهادربند Is it? What if doing so will save over 9000 lives?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 that's a random hypothetical question. Here's one right back at you, what if one of those 9000 lives turns out to be that of the next Hitler?
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 By that logic, everyone should go around killing random people, because there's a chance that one of their victims will be the next Hitler.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 We should not interfere with God's decisions. If god want's to get over 9000 people killed, we are not allowed to prevent it.
@DavidWallace Exactly.
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 What if the next Hitler's pogrom kills millions of future psychopathic killers, by virtue of eliminating their ancestors?
Apr 24, 2012 13:38
@DavidWallace Yes! this is what I've been saying all along!
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Exactly.
Mmm, homefries. They call to me.
bbl
@Meysamرهادربند I'm going to assume that this statement is a joke, because if it's not, I don't have enough time in the day to explain just how wrong it is.
There is no God.
There, it took me less than a second.
Apr 24, 2012 13:40
Except to say that if God didn't want me to tap Jasper's IM conversation, He would have smitten me with lightning before I could do it.
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Come on... Who created you then?
@Meysamرهادربند My parents.
@Jasper: In case you liked Ron, look here:
Apr 24, 2012 13:40
plugs ears la la la la la! Not listening! Not getting involved!
@MrShinyandNew安宇 That was a joke
Looks like I walked in on something fun. So, how about them Yankees?
@Meysamرهادربند even those of us who don't believe in God?
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 36 minutes 32 seconds.
…no baseball fans in here?
Apr 24, 2012 13:43
There's such a thing?
God? Or baseball fans?
If there are baseball fans, there is no God. QED
I am a baseball fan for the portion of the baseball season that involves the Blue Jays in the playoffs for the world series. Needless to say, I haven't watched a game in a few years.
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Your logic is irrefutable.
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I am not a baseball fan QED I am God
Apr 24, 2012 13:45
If God created baseball fans, would she suddenly blink into nonexistence?
@DavidWallace If you don't believe in God, that's your problem, not God's
Baseball is a game that has to be experienced at the park, but it's just too expensive these days. I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $500 to take my family to a ball game.
@Meysamرهادربند that means God has no problem with people not believing in him.
so it's a sin, but not a problem
@Robusto that's a fair point. It's much better live, but far too expensive. There is a good farm league near where I live, $5 tickets, lots of fun
Apr 24, 2012 13:46
@Meysamرهادربند How is not believing in God David's problem? More like his advantage.
@MrShinyandNew who is God David?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I'm not sure that it is.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 People who don't believe in God, will not be blessed by Jesus. That is the problem
darn good chocolate
Apr 24, 2012 13:48
Children who believe in Santa enjoy Christmas more than children who don't believe in Santa.
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Thanks for putting things into perspective for us.
@DavidWallace unless their parents are poor
@Meysamرهادربند People who don't believe in Odin won't get to dine with the warriors in the halls of Valhalla either.
OK, but bear with me and don't get picky. Maybe people who believe in God lead happier and more fulfilled lives than atheists do.
@DavidWallace at first I read that as "children who believe in Satan". sadly I reread it
Apr 24, 2012 13:49
Yeah, along with the dyslexic who sold his soul to Santa.
@Meysamرهادربند "Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here." — Jack Nicholson, As Good As It Gets
@DavidWallace Mormons do, according to South Park. That's all I know.
The stone works, Lisa!
Apr 24, 2012 13:50
So, if somebody could convince me that there's a God, they may well be doing me a huge favour.
@Robusto I have to see that movie
Even though they'd be wrong.
@DavidWallace Until you go wage a war in His name.
Which some people invariably will.
OK, but most theists don't wage wars.
Just one person is too many.
Apr 24, 2012 13:51
@DavidWallace well, the trick to believing in God is to not need convincing. Just start telling yourself every day that God exists
@DavidWallace is it because you'd believe in God, though, or because religious people tend to have more involved and tightly-knit communities with better emotional support structures? Couldn't you just have the community and skip the mythology?
But I won't believe myself.
It's called believing for a reason. You don't have to know.
@DavidWallace if you want to, you will.
> I consider myself a logical positivist, although I have never read the logical positivists.
Apr 24, 2012 13:52
@Cameron Yes, that's right. This chat room is my church / mosque / synagogue.
Guess whose profile says this.
@MattЭллен Right on
@Cerberus Ron Maimon?
@MattЭллен No, I won't. I'm no more capable of convincing myself that God exists than I am of convincing myself that the Easter Bunny exists. I am NOT an atheist by choice.
@MattЭллен Ding!
Apr 24, 2012 13:54
@DavidWallace As you wish, but I know if one says something to oneself enough, one will eventually believe it to be true
Religion is myth created by human beings out of fear and ignorance.
Stop quoting Wikipedia.
@Cerberus You're felling a bit cranky today?
@DavidWallace Even if it's not possible to prove that God exists, choosing to believe in him will make your life easier
@MattЭллен well you just keep telling yourself that, OK!
Apr 24, 2012 13:55
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Is that what it says? Really? What a coincidence.
Wow, are you still here @DavidWallace?
@Meysam it makes my life easier to believe that I'll win the lottery, it doesn't make it true
@Meysamرهادربند Oh, so we add laziness to fear and ignorance.
BTW, only 100-odd ahead with 30 minutes left. I can haz support for sniping? @Rob @Kit
Apr 24, 2012 13:56
Roger, wilco.
@Meysamرهادربند I'm not talking about proof. I firmly believe that it's not possible to prove either the existence or the non-existence of God.
@KitFox on Fight, please. Very tough decks in there.
With all the B's in his username, we're going to have to start calling @RegDwightB8 "Bubba" ...
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Oh, you want me to fight for us?
@Gigili Not for much longer. Public holiday tomorrow (err today) though.
Apr 24, 2012 13:56
Hubba Bubba.
@KitFox shit, forgot to mention that bit again.
No bubble gum in chat.
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I'll see what I can do. Can't promise anything.
Contrary to popular belief, this chat is not Singapore.
Oh God, it's the Fluffy Bunnies! I suck against the Fluffy Bunnies!
@KitFox then sit on your hands or something.
@Meysamرهادربند My point is that I cannot choose to believe in Him.
Apr 24, 2012 13:58
@DavidWallace I will choose so for you.
There, I've chosen. You now believe in God.
Well done.
Thanks.
I can do seven of those on a good day.
Meysam, are you physically capable of choosing to believe in the Easter Bunny (assuming you don't already)?
I thank God that he made me an atheist.
@DavidWallace But you are not denying his existence either. And that is a good thing. Hope is always a good thing
Apr 24, 2012 13:59
I thank atheism that it made me God.
@Meysamرهادربند Since realizing that I don't believe in him, and that it's all rubbish, my life has become easier, not harder. I don't have to go to church and listen to some blowhard talk about stuff he doesn't understand, and spread misinformation about important social topics, for one thing.
@MattЭллен Nonplussed, rather!
But I have to run.
Bye kids!
@Meysamرهادربند Actually, I do deny God's existence. Didn't I make that clear?
That's step 1.
Robusto's at step 9 already.
@Cerberus surprised and confused so much that you don't know how to react, or unperturbed?
Apr 24, 2012 14:00
@DavidWallace No because you said "I firmly believe that it's not possible to prove either the existence or the non-existence of God"
And if I want to give myself over to a higher power, I'm thinking Tommy Chong would do right by me.
Huhuh, he said chong, huhuh.
@Meysamرهادربند Sure. And I believe in His non-existence, even though I know that I shall never prove it. It's called faith.
@MattЭллен The former.
Bye!
Apr 24, 2012 14:01
@MrShinyandNew安宇 But my guess is that for most people, that's the other way around (just a guess).
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Q: Person present at the right time and at the right place

user5402Is there a word to describe "a person present in the right place at the right time"?

Try to make sense, dear ... Try harder.
@Meysamرهادربند How do you mean? Everyone in my (part of the) country is irreligious, and we're doing fine.
@DavidWallace Interesting kind of faith :)
I always wonder, can you be present at the right time at the wrong place? Or at the wrong time at the right place?
Apr 24, 2012 14:02
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 a person
there's a word for evething
Mar 1 at 15:06, by Robusto
@Cerberus You can make your life seem longer by going to church a lot.
Haha.
I'm confused. Cerb is still here?
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Um, yeah.
@Meysamرهادربند I dunno. I know lots of people who are literally terrified of going to hell. Their lives are filled with guilt and shame. And they feel guilty and shamed about things that I consider perfectly ok. But religion is full of "sins" that don't make sense. And Christianity and Islam have so many "whoops! that was a bad sin! you're going to HELL!" conditions. People are miserable believing this tripe.
Apr 24, 2012 14:03
He keeps leaving every five minutes.
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 No. Just his gravatar.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I agree.
@KitFox pics or it didn't happen.
@Cerberus Yes, it might depend on the culture of people too. Some thousand years a ago, there was no God, and people were probably still happy.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 And many people are blissful too. I have an aunt and uncle who are very religious, and their lives would probably be quite empty if they didn't have God.
Apr 24, 2012 14:05
@MrShinyandNew安宇 but what about a belief that despite probably being false gives you peace of mind?
When I lived in the South and the Baptists would try to convince me to go to their church and 'accept' God, I'd tell them "Why would I choose to worship a God that has already condemned me on the basis of me being born female?"
@KitFox well female is not a necessity, it's a choice. They can heal you.
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@MattЭллен like the belief in the Afterlife. I admit: that was a tough one for me to let go of. I wanted it to be true. But then I want Santa Claus to be real too. Too bad, I guess. The world is the way it is.
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Like they did for Chaz Bono?
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I suppose that's true. I choose to be born female, I should live with the consequences of my decision, or otherwise pray out the female.
Apr 24, 2012 14:06
@MrShinyandNew安宇 nah, belief in the afterlife is different to belief in santa - santa can't give you piece of mind - he gives you presents
Can you pray away the fey?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 You know what helped for me? There is a sort of afterlife.
@MattЭллен He still falls into the "wishful thinking" category. It IS a bit of a burden to not believe in an afterlife. It means you have to get things right in THIS life because there are no do-overs.
The Holy Spirit grants us gifts of Faith, Hope and Charity.
@KitFox You misspelled afterbirth.
Apr 24, 2012 14:08
and takes over our keyboards when we're not paying attention.
@KitFox what sort?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 but which belief gives you more peace of mind?
@MattЭллен believing in Heaven would give me peace of mind. But I also feel that you have to deal with the world the way it is, not the way you wish it to be. Anything else is both futile and irrational.
believing there is an afterlife or knowing that what you do matters now?
@Robusto You mean "May they pray away the fey"?
Apr 24, 2012 14:09
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh, crap, now you tell me.
Logically, belief in the afterlife should have people killing their children, so that the children can skip THIS shitty life and move on to the better afterlife.
If you believe that the time you spend on Earth is all the time you get, you will go out of your way to make sure that this time is worthwhile.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 right, hence all the rules
@DavidWallace It's only April. Wait a week or so.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Your legacy is passed on to your children, for one. Also, your existence has made an impression on people's lives. So in the corny "your memory will live on" sense, you love your children and impart your values to them. That will propagate through humanity.
Apr 24, 2012 14:10
@DavidWallace translation: you will sit on your ass whole day playing Tekken.
So killing your children would defeat that purpose.
@KitFox Well, yeah. But that "afterlife", or legacy, is still entirely created by my actions or inaction in THIS life.
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Right on.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh true. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I meant thinking of that helped me feel less scared of dying and just being dead.
Umm, it's just after 2am where I am. I must go to bed now. Good night all.
Apr 24, 2012 14:11
I won't need an afterlife once I'm done living.
CU @David
@KitFox You don't need to fear being dead, if you believe that you won't be aware of it.
@DavidWallace Good night
 
Conversation ended Apr 24, 2012 at 14:11.