Are hamburgers sandwiches?

Anonymous

May 15, 2015 16:05

Someone just asked me if hamburgers count as sandwiches, and I have no idea

Mitch

@snailboat a hotdog is definitely not a sandwich.

(just starting from an extreme)

Anonymous

in Japanese Language, Nov 9 '14 at 20:32, by Dan Hulme

I expect they're embarrassed that they're posting on this very academic-looking and learned site, to ask about stuff from a comic book

Anonymous

I welcome questions from comic books if they happen to be good questions, though :-)

Mitch

No a hamburger is not a sandwich, even though they have a lot in common.

Anonymous

@Robusto Ohh, that was before I joined the site!

Mitch

May 15, 2015 16:07

@snailboat wait..is it lunchtime already?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@snailboat Yes, I'd say it does count.

Robusto

@snailboat Well, I don't know. The Japanese read more manga and watch more anime than people would imagine.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 is a sloppy joe a sandwich?

Anonymous

@Robusto I don't think people should be embarrassed

Robusto

@Mitch Yes it is too.

Anonymous

May 15, 2015 16:09

It's just a perception some people have

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch yes

Mitch

dang it.

@Robusto it doesn't feel like a sandwich to me.

Robusto

@snailboat No. I would say your average Japanese has read far more Manga than authors like Mishima or Souseki.

@Mitch Stop feeling it up and eat the damn thing already.

Mitch

@Robusto so saftig!

I think this hamburger thing will force me to actually ask somebody. except...who makes sandwiches? a deli. can you get a hamburger there? (usually) no. Where do you get hamburgers? at a short order diner or a pizza place... but nowadays those places don't have burgers or sandwiches, just subs and wraps.

broccoli forest

hi

Mitch

May 15, 2015 16:12

Hi.

broccoli forest

It's me to ask the hamburger-sandwich question

Mitch

@broccoliforest Quick question: do you think a burger is a sandwich?

what's your opinion?

Robusto

To make it short: if you're not japanese, do not utter manga-like sentences like this especially with ねぇ instead of ない which is used by "bad boys", bullies and yakuza. (same goes for over-cute sentences 10 yo girls would speak in a manga) — repecmps Jun 2 '11 at 10:06

There's the criticism I mentioned above.

Mitch

a sub is a kind of sandwich I guess (but far from canonical)

broccoli forest

@Mitch Well, I had to prove I'm a human by calling hamburgers "sandwiches" :D

Robusto

May 15, 2015 16:14

Hamburger

A hamburger (also called a beef burger, hamburger sandwich, burger or hamburg) is a sandwich consisting of one or more cooked patties of ground meat, usually beef, placed inside a sliced bun. Hamburgers are often served with lettuce, bacon, tomato, onion, pickles, cheese and condiments such as mustard, mayonnaise, ketchup, relish, and green chile. The term "burger" can also be applied to the meat patty on its own, especially in the UK where the term "patty" is rarely used. The term may be prefixed with the type of meat used, as in "turkey burger". == Etymology == The term hamburger originally...

Mitch

@broccoliforest That was a turing test question? If that's what it means to be human then cal l me a Red Sox fan.

Anonymous

@Mitch I invited broccoli forest here :-) That was how the question came up

user116848

Sandwich

A sandwich is a food item consisting of one or more types of food placed on or between slices of bread, or more generally any dish wherein two or more pieces of bread serve as a container or wrapper for some other food. The sandwich was originally a portable food item or finger food which began its popularity primarily in the Western World, but is now found in various versions in numerous countries worldwide. Sandwiches are a widely popular type of lunch food, typically taken to work, school, or picnics to be eaten as part of a packed lunch. The bread can be used plain, or it can be coated with...

Robusto

"also called a beef burger, hamburger sandwich, burger or hamburg

Mitch

@Robusto goes off to edit wikipedia

broccoli forest

May 15, 2015 16:15

At least in Japanese sense, hamburgers are definitely not sandwiches

Robusto

> A hamburger . . . is a sandwich . . .

I rest my case.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Nobody calls it a "hamburger sandwich" though.

Anonymous

@Mitch I've always thought of it as one. A submarine sandwich!

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Wikipedia does.

Anonymous

Isn't that what sub is short for?

broccoli forest

May 15, 2015 16:16

@Mitch Given by the very EL&U search form!

user116848

Sandwich seems a bit small to me.

Anonymous

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, seriously. I've never heard anyone say that before.

Anonymous

A hamburger sandwich sounds like you took two hamburgers and put a piece of meat between them.

Robusto

" 2. a sandwich consisting of such a patty fried or broiled and served on a bun or roll. " — Random House

Mitch

@broccoliforest a haburger surely falls under a very general definition of sandwich, but is certainly not the first thing you think of when asked 'give an example of a sandwich' (the canonical test).

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 but calling it X doesn't make it an X. there's the thing, there's its name, there's what you call it, there's what you call its name, etc...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

May 15, 2015 16:18

@Mitch Calling a thing an X can make it an X if it changes the definition of X

Robusto

@Mitch Plenty of things that qualify to be in their class are not "the first thing you think of . . ." A dachshund is not necessarily the first thing you think of when you think of dogs, yet it is most certainly a dog.

user116848

SE is not a heavy site but it slows down my browser sometimes.

Robusto

I poop on your argument.

Mitch

@Robusto sure. but hamburger is much further away from being canonical.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But also I think that a hamburger meets the standard definition of a sandwich, so in addition to being called X, X describes it.

Mitch

May 15, 2015 16:19

@Robusto expected... from a dog

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch I disagree

If someone mentions to me a chicken sandwich, the first thing I think of is a chicken burger.

Mitch

A whale is a mammal.

but whales don't look like them.

Robusto

Someone is WRONG on the Internet!

broccoli forest

@Mitch I agree. It sounds to me like going to aquarium to see penguins for "bird-watching".

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Is that a burger or a sandwich?

Mitch

May 15, 2015 16:21

@broccoliforest Right. One may be technically right, but all the surrounding meanings of things leads one away.

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Chicken sandwich, mos' def.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not a burger at all.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch And yet lots of places call that a chicken burger.

broccoli forest

btw another example from EL&U human test...

Mitch

It's a sandwich... resists urge to get lunch ...

Anonymous

May 15, 2015 16:22

I call it a chickenwich.

broccoli forest

Anonymous

That's just my own silly word, but I've used it for a long time :-)

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh. I would never call it a chicken burger. I'd call it a chicken sandwich.

A red panda is not a panda it's a funny raccoon.

@broccoliforest If you wait a while, the ice cream will get soupy

Anonymous

If someone asked this question on ELU, would it be Primarily Opinion-Based?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch So if the chicken were ground chicken instead of a chicken breast, then it'd cease to be a sandwich and would instead be a burger?

user116848

May 15, 2015 16:24

Sandwich or burger, food prepared at home is the best.

Mitch

@snailboat more lunch urge resisting

user116848

Theee best.

Anonymous

I haven't eaten yet today.

Mitch

@snailboat There are strong opinions on it but that's not a bad opinion based problem

user116848

It is dinner time here.

user116848

May 15, 2015 16:25

I mean night.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I never said anything about 'ground'. are you mistaking what I said for 'chicken salad sandwich'?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch No I'm trying to determine how you distinguish between a sandwich and a burger

and why you feel that burger isn't a subset of sandwich

Mitch

@Arrowfar You should have a burger. It's a kind of sandwich, but not what you'd think of first if someone mentioned 'sandwich'

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch Anyway what if instead of ground chicken it was floor chicken?

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Technically you're all right. A burger is technically a sandwich.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Is there a rug on it?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

May 15, 2015 16:27

@Mitch There may be a rug. A bacon rug.

user116848

@Mitch I eat wholesome food at home :-)

user116848

But yeah burgers and sandwiches are good too.

Mitch

But non-technically, burger is further away from sandwich for me than even sub, and I don't think of sub as a sandwich.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 dangit. urge unable to resist

user116848

Subway sandwiches are quite big though.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch What about ice-cream sandwiches?

user116848

May 15, 2015 16:29

Okay, chat is making me hungry.

user116848

First time in a long time. I better go and...

Mitch

It's not a sandwich. It's a lot like a sandwich. well actually only in shape.

anyway. a subway sandwich is technically a sandwich further refined to be a sub sandwich. but that's technically. informally, a hanburger is not a sandwich because too much goes into its prep that is different from a canonical sandwich and is sold at a different kind of establishment.

Just because people are mistaken technically doesn't mean they're wrong.

well, they're technically wrong but that's different.

user116848

We should have a word like "Bursawich" or" Sanburger".

user116848

Yeah difficult to put it in context.

Mitch

@Arrowfar do you have places that sell burgers around you? halalgers?

even a sandwich is a Br/US thing.

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