Meta tags - #4 chat cast – Conversation in Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Conversation started Feb 16, 2013 at 18:05.

Mysticial

Feb 16, 2013 18:05

Let's start with meta tags.

I have one thing I want to bring up.

Fairly important.

JNat

@Mysticial speak up

Mysticial

SE automatically appends tags to the title.

If anybody hasn't noticed yet.

If none of the tags are already in the title, it will take the most popular tag and add it to the title.

However...

This is great if there's only one tag. (the name of the show/series)

Eric

Like "android - Broadcastreciver triggered at Start - Stack Overflow", you mean?

Mysticial

@Eric yeah

But if we add an additional tag such as plot-explanation

It will append that to the title instead of the name of the show.

That is going to severely hurt SEO.

Search Engine Optimization

If you're gonna ask about X character, in Y show. You want both to be in the title.

You don't want the title to be like "Character Abilities - How can X destroy blah blah in 10 seconds."

Eric

Yeah, good point. "characters - Who was Archer? - Anime and Manga Beta - Stack Exchange" is not great.

Mysticial

Feb 16, 2013 18:08

exactly

I've been careful with tags for this reason. But I think now's a good opportunity to bring it up.

JNat

so there has to be some meta post about tagging

Dimitri mx

I haven´t seen any tag get appended to a title before hmm

Eric

It's only in the title of the page.

(Which appears on search engines, of course.)

Mysticial

Right now, I only add meta tags if the name of the show is already in the title.

Dimitri mx

aha

Eric

Feb 16, 2013 18:11

@Dimitrimx Some examples if you're interested.

Mysticial

For example, here's a question that is not good for SEO:

Q: Why isn't Gildarts one of the Ten Wizard Saints?

He clearly is powerful. Makarov even said that Juro's (One of the 10 Wizard Saints) power was close to Gildarts, which means that Gildarts is more powerful than Juro. So why isn't he a wizard saint? Does he have to do something magnificent? Or is he just not popular enough?

Since the name can't easily be added to the title. I'd say get rid of the characters tag.

Which of course we lead to inconsistent use of these meta tags.

Eric

It would be nice if moderators or the posters could pick the "main" tag.

JNat

@Mysticial so firstly we should debate about whether or not to keep meta tags

Mysticial

@Eric I've wanted such a feature for a while. My top answer on SO would benefit a lot from it actually. Since the key word is in a minor tag and is not in the title.

@JNat First, where do we draw the line between meta tags. Is anime-physics a meta tag?

JNat

madara has brought up the issue of meta tags here

Mysticial

Feb 16, 2013 18:14

I'd say we do away with characters.

Krazer

I think we should also discuss how we use new and current mata tags, esp for new users

Mysticial

Along with plot-explanation.

Dimitri mx

I agree on that

Madara Uchiha

Alright, I'm here

Krazer

Me, too.

Madara Uchiha

Feb 16, 2013 18:14

What have we begun on?

JNat

@Mysticial and character-abilities

@MadaraUchiha meta tags

Mysticial

As it is right now, meta tags are hurting our search engine visibility.

Krazer

I dunno about character abilities

Mysticial

Since almost nobody is aware of the issue I brought up here.

Madara Uchiha

@Mysticial Even more so, the twitter tweets (which also depend on the most popular tag)

Mysticial

Feb 16, 2013 18:16

I'm tempted to vote in favor or ridding of all meta tags for the sole reason of SEO.

Dimitri mx

then shouldnt the focus be more on easy to recognize tag´s ?

Eric

Relevant meta post: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/127370/…

Madara Uchiha

Alright then, since we agree that meta tags are harmful, which do we kill?

Mysticial

@MadaraUchiha characters, character-abilities, plot-explanation

variations

Dimitri mx

meta.anime.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/specific-question maybe ?

Mysticial

Feb 16, 2013 18:18

I'm a little unsure of anime-physics though.

Dimitri mx

how do i post nice buttons like you do ;o

Madara Uchiha

@Dimitrimx [tag:tag-name]

Dimitri mx

thanks

Madara Uchiha

anime-physics I believe is a decent tag

Eric

anime-physics is a hard one. It's definitely a directly applicable category, but it is somewhat meta.

Mysticial

Feb 16, 2013 18:19

The only way I'd want to allow meta tags is if we make it clear that the name of the show needs to be in the title. (or we aggressively edit them in when appropriate)

Dimitri mx

Yet how often would anime-physics be used. I dont think allot of questions will surround it

Mysticial

In some cases, it's obvious enough since "Misaka" is so well recognized. (possibility more so than the name of the shows themselves)

Krazer

I think we should hold off on killing all meta tags, some should be gone but we can try to leave others for now if we mention the title rules

Eric

Actually, Dimitri is right. Probably all posts relating to anime physics will have that in either the question or answer.

There's only two posts there now...

JNat

@Krazer I think that is a better approach too

Madara Uchiha

Feb 16, 2013 18:21

I agree.

The most obvious ones should die

The rest should remain under watch to see if they spread too much

JNat

@MadaraUchiha those are which exactly?

Eric

@MadaraUchiha variations, characters, ...?

JNat

characters

Madara Uchiha

and character-abilities

JNat

@MadaraUchiha ok

Madara Uchiha

Feb 16, 2013 18:22

Those three go first

Mysticial

In in favor of getting rid of those.

Eric

What about plot-explanation?

Mysticial

@Eric that too

Dimitri mx

i say remove .

Madara Uchiha

Probably too

Eric

Feb 16, 2013 18:22

Yup. I'm in favor, then, all those 4.

Mysticial

Same

JNat

Same

Krazer

I'll take care of these, if we are in agreement.

Mysticial

While I think they are useful, they're too inconsistently used and it hurts SEO too much.

Madara Uchiha

Alright then

JNat

Feb 16, 2013 18:23

As for the rest, there should be some guidelines for tagging, and we keep a watchful eye for those that hurt the search engine visibility

Krazer

Final call, any objections?

Madara Uchiha

We have an agreement then, we will burn characters, character-abilities, variations and plot-explanation

Mysticial

Burn away.

Dimitri mx

burn it

Krazer

I shall burnicate them now.

Madara Uchiha

Feb 16, 2013 18:25

@Krazer IIRC you need to speak with the community team to do it properly, see if there's any of them on TL

Mysticial

mods can't burn tags?

I thought they only can't blacklist.

Madara Uchiha

@Mysticial No, sadly.

A note, don't forget to star helpful messages

Krazer

@MadaraUchiha I'll get on that.

Mysticial

Interesting though. The SO mods seem to be able to eliminate tags just like that.

Madara Uchiha

They are kept in the bookmark, and display a helpful summery of the conversation

Mysticial

Feb 16, 2013 18:27

And in the meantime, now that we all know the tag appending works with SEO, we should just manually fix anything that needs to be fixed.

Our traffic is small enough for this to be manageable.

Madara Uchiha

@Mysticial Hmmm, you mean manually adding tags to the title?

"naruto - Question here?"

Mysticial

@MadaraUchiha Not to every one. By evaluate on a case-by-case basis.

Eric

I think he means more like "What is ______ in Naruto?"

Madara Uchiha

Alright then

Mysticial

So either remove unnecessary tags or somehow add the keywords to the title.

@Eric Yeah, pretty much.

@Eric Of course that's not necessary right now since naruto is the biggest tag.

Eric

Feb 16, 2013 18:29

@Mysticial Indeed. Was just running with Madara's example.

Madara Uchiha

Bookmark ends here. Let's move on.

Conversation ended Feb 16, 2013 at 18:30.

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