Conversation started Jun 11, 2015 at 1:34.
Eric
Eric
Jun 11, 2015 01:34
Yes.
@iKlsR Shiba Lawoof
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
@ton.yeung "uchi" can be used for "I" informally in the context of having no gender connotation... you typically see this used by women who want to be informal, but avoid the "cuteness" associated with "atashi"
@ton.yeung kanji are generally seen as masculine, "atashi" has no kanji form you see
Memor-X
Memor-X
i always thought watashi was cuter than atashi, at atleast girls should really be using atashi. that's only based off one scene in Katahane where Angelina is talking to her foster mother one night and she says that Angelina should really stop using atashi and use watashi insted
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
this given atashi a cute, effeminate nuance
Eric
Eric
@Memor-X watashi is gender-neutral. atashi comes from a cutesy/girly pronunciation of watashi.
atashi isn't gender neutral.
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
@ton.yeung it is
Eric
Eric
Jun 11, 2015 01:44
By whom? It isn't, lol.
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
@ton.yeung Imma slap them
Eric
Eric
Let's DDoS them.
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
btw I need to note and exception... saying “watashi mo” (meaning: “me too”) can come off as very effeminate if you use it in an informal situation
Eric
Eric
@ʞɹɐzǝɹ IIRC using watashi in any informal situation is somewhat effeminate.
Memor-X
Memor-X
@Eric hmmm, maybe i misread that scene but even with the translation i knew that Angelina's forster mother was complain about the habit of how she refers to herself. then again i was kinda trying to get to where Angelina and Belle first meet (aside from a fleeting pass by) so i might not have been paying as much attention as i should
Eric
Eric
Jun 11, 2015 01:46
boku is more masculine and somewhat informal.
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
@Eric true but such contexts are hard to read at times
@Eric Boku (僕) is what you could think of as the "soft-masculine" "I"-word. since it literally means “manservant,” you use it there is a sense that you are humbling yourself before the speaker
Eric
Eric
Nope. watashi is the most gender-neutral pronoun possible (except in informal situations, as above).
@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Eh? I thought this was its archaic origin. I don't get this sense from it at all anymore.
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
@Eric it is, but there are other ways to use it
esp in literature
Taisho
Taisho
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ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
e.g. if I was a nigh omnipotent demigod female loli and you had a request
I can us boku in the context of "and what can I do for you?"
Eric
Eric
Jun 11, 2015 01:50
What!?
@ʞɹɐzǝɹ is an omnipotent demigod loli!?
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
@Eric if
Eric
Eric
@ʞɹɐzǝɹ fi
Just wanted to end your conditional there.
@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Interesting.
Personally I prefer ore in all situations. :P
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
@Eric let me give you a quick lesson on "oira" and other "special" forms of I
Eric
Eric
@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Sure. :P
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
so oira used to be a form of ore from the edo period
but now it's use as "I" for... housepets! (as spoken by their masters)
still with a youthful male nuance
so you know "sessha," right?
Eric
Eric
Jun 11, 2015 01:56
Yeah
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
the wife of the samurai would say "warawa" (妾)
in classical form it's about the same as sessha, but for women in general (to humble themselves before others)
Frosteeze
Frosteeze
@Memor-X they need to fix some bugs is what i meant
for rebirth 2 that is
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
there's also yo (余) for those of high stature.. if I has a heartless overlord in a manga or anime, I would use this
Eric
Eric
Never heard that one. lol
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
ʞɹɐzǝɹ
fun fact, Bowser uses "wagahai"
 
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