Chat cast #8, part 2

Madara Uchiha

Jan 17, 2015 19:09

@ToshinouKyouko The first got twice the results on Google

JNat

we change it

and synonymise

Madara Uchiha

That can be a quick and dirty measurement.

I don't think that we should bicker about it too much.

We determine quickly which is the more popular.

If someone has an objection, just yell on meta.

Moderators can rename tags pretty easily.

JNat

@MadaraUchiha and if, for some reason and on a special case, we don't, meta it

@MadaraUchiha yes

Toshinou Kyouko

so tl;dr staying the same apart from flag to add extra title?

Madara Uchiha

Is everyone OK with that?

Logan M

Jan 17, 2015 19:11

Works for me.

JNat

yes for both of the above

Toshinou Kyouko

👍

excuse my inactivity as i make dinner

Madara Uchiha

So our conclusions from this:
1. We tag according to which is more popular, and synonym to alternatives.
2. Please flag posts with eligible tags without synonyms with the alternative name(s).
3. If anyone has an objection towards the naming/priority of any tag, post on meta.

Next topic por favor. @JNat -dono

nhahtdh

(No problem here, usual process, since this is not doable by regular users)

JNat

@MadaraUchiha We're over one hour now, and what was pressing for this discussion has been discussed. Maybe we leave it at this, and hand out the link for the survey.

Unless someone wants to add something

IMO

Unless we want to say anything else about the id-reqs again

since the tagging issue was settled easily and quickly

Toshinou Kyouko

Jan 17, 2015 19:14

Don't do it

Its a trap

Frosteeze

What about the H-stuff?

Madara Uchiha

Let's put it to a vote.

If you'd like to continue with the discussion, please star this message.

If you'd like to end here and schedule another meeting, please star this message.

Toshinou Kyouko

I cannot star on my tablet

But I vote #2

Madara Uchiha

@ToshinouKyouko Voted for you.

JNat

so we're tied with 3 votes

Toshinou Kyouko

Jan 17, 2015 19:16

@MadaraUchiha how @_@

Eric

@JNat 3-2. Madara voted for TK.

JNat

@Eric oh, ok

Madara Uchiha

@ToshinouKyouko RO/mods can star own messages.

Toshinou Kyouko

:0

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

Those who wish to stay to discuss may stay

Madara Uchiha

Jan 17, 2015 19:16

By pinning and unpinning (star remains)

Toshinou Kyouko

Huh

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

anyone wanting a break should watch animu or read mangos

JNat

The next topic on the table is community engagement

In my opinion that should take a whole session

Toshinou Kyouko

Oh
I thought it was more id-req stuff

Eric

Agreed.

Gao Weiwei

Jan 17, 2015 19:17

wait, what about link to survey? for people leaving

Frosteeze

When's the next meeting if we were to schedule another one?

Toshinou Kyouko

I don't mind continuing other topics

JNat

So we'll probably skip that one for now, and move on to the H content

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Jnat where do we take the survey?

Toshinou Kyouko

I think keep it pg + spoilers

Eric

Jan 17, 2015 19:18

Anything not PG-13 should be behind a link labelled NSFW in bold.

JNat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ what do you mean?

Frosteeze

@Eric I thought we can't link to NSFW things period? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/19395616#19395616

Madara Uchiha

Alright, again, let's make things clear.

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@JNat link to the forms

Eric

According to the content policy, but aside from my own posts I don't really care whether people do or not.

Madara Uchiha

Jan 17, 2015 19:19

The Stack Exchange user policy allows users of age 13+ to join and participate in the site.

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JNat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ How do you think we've been doing? Do you want to see us take a new direction in this new year? Let us know you thoughts here!

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Madara Uchiha

This means that anything that is rated above 13 should be said carefully.

JNat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ -dono, please edit it into something fancy to star and have it on the side

that way people who weren't here can still participate

Madara Uchiha

There is a big difference between NSFW and H

NSFW is anything an average person wouldn't want on his screen at work

And H is, in my books, anything rated 18+.

Eric

H is a subset of NSFW.

Madara Uchiha

Jan 17, 2015 19:21

Yes

Toshinou Kyouko

What if u work in pornhub

Frosteeze

Heh

Madara Uchiha

So while NSFW can sometimes be okay

I think that, at the very least, we want those not be oneboxed and labeled nsfw

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@ToshinouKyouko only if you do QA for them

Toshinou Kyouko

Agreed

Madara Uchiha

Jan 17, 2015 19:22

As for H content, I hereby cast a veto on flat out pornography. As I see fit.

A line must be drawn, and this is where I put it.

Eric

Are we talking about for chat, or the main site?

Toshinou Kyouko

What is your distinction

JNat

@Eric main site

or both, actually

Madara Uchiha

As much as this is a chat, and we're having fun here, this is still under Stack Exchange and this is a system that expects some degree of professionalism.

Gao Weiwei

From the policy link: Accounts that use Stack Exchange to post sexually explicit or pornographic material, or links to it, will be suspended.

Eric

Jan 17, 2015 19:24

Either way, as long as stuff is labelled NSFW and linked, I don't care what it links to.

Logan M

I don't know what we mean by "flat out pornography". Taken literally, that would seem to ban lots of major series including e.g. fate-stay-night.

Madara Uchiha

If you'd like to share porn open an IRC channel.

Gao Weiwei

is sexually explicit != pronographic?

JNat

@GaoWeiwei I wouldn't say so, but the law may

Frosteeze

@GaoWeiwei It shouldn't be. Ecchi isn't hentai or porn

nhahtdh

Jan 17, 2015 19:24

explicit = showing genital (?) not sure myself

Toshinou Kyouko

What about questions that don't refer to anything super explicit

Yuuki

@LoganM I don't think there's a problem with discussing non-explicit material.

JNat

@MadaraUchiha by labelled you don't mean tagged, right?

Logan M

@GaoWeiwei They aren't the same, strictly speaking. Pornography is sexually explicit material produced for the purpose of sexually stimulating the observer.

Yuuki

But post naughty pictures == big no no.

Toshinou Kyouko

Jan 17, 2015 19:25

Or links to naughty pics

Madara Uchiha

@JNat Here in chat, it's labeled nsfw

nhahtdh

Depends, but I recently linked to the official website of a VN

Frosteeze

@Yuuki Right. I'm okay with things that are censored even if they are porn

Madara Uchiha

As for QA, extreme care must be taken.

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

!!define explicit

nhahtdh

Jan 17, 2015 19:26

And you know what to expect in there

HoiHoi-san

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ explicit Very specific, clear, or detailed.

Logan M

For example, a documentary might be sexually explicit without being pornographic.

Madara Uchiha

I don't want to ban all hentai questions, because there are merit in those questions.

But we must take extreme care with those questions.

Toshinou Kyouko

So just ones that have link/pics/overly explicit language?

Madara Uchiha

@ToshinouKyouko No.

Toshinou Kyouko

Jan 17, 2015 19:27

Can u clarify then

Sakamoto

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Q: Who is the guy on the left in this collage poster? And which anime is he from?

I saw this guy on a poster with Beyond the Grave and Trigun's main protagonist. But I can't find who he is, nor whether he has his own anime. The guy is on the left, wielding two crimson swords, with gray hair.

identification-request

Madara Uchiha

Imagine if someone were to describe 2g1c or BnP in a question

And not do it professionally or carefully

But flat out say "And then she ate her shit, and then they fucked each other's brains out" or a similar thing

Toshinou Kyouko

That falls under language no?

Hey spoilers

I think it may be a saving spoiler though

Madara Uchiha

In any case

Here in chat, I will personally enforce that.

Gao Weiwei

So if question is educational and no pic/link showing sexual intercourse, it'll be fine?

Madara Uchiha

Jan 17, 2015 19:29

As for QA, I don't think there's any other way than decided on a per-case basis.

@GaoWeiwei Probably.

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

quick! everyone flag him! (don't actually do this)

Toshinou Kyouko

What if I ask about BnP like:

Gao Weiwei

How does SE enforce that rule on human biology and sexuality sites?

Hakase

@GaoWeiwei probably through mods

Logan M

@GaoWeiwei It typically doesn't.

Toshinou Kyouko

Jan 17, 2015 19:30

A hentai where there is love between X and X and there was a scene where NOTEXPLICIT happened

Logan M

At least not literally.

nhahtdh

@GaoWeiwei There was a sexuality site, which was closed down

JNat

@MadaraUchiha agreed. Despite the nature of the content and the cares we need to take because of it, they should be regarded as any other question. Point in case, an id-req question that asks for a hentai should only be closed or downvoted as any other id-req question would be (putting aside the language and possible image cares we'd need to take).

Madara Uchiha

@GaoWeiwei Sexuality was shot down, as for Biology, I'm not sure.

Logan M

The sexuality site was a special case, since it was only 18+.

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

Jan 17, 2015 19:31

@GaoWeiwei not explicitly

Logan M

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Strictly speaking, biology.stackexchange.com/questions/24298/… is sexually explicit, though not pornographic, as are many of the questions they have there tagged [sex].

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

so looks like we have a consensus, summary if you will, Sr, JNat

Toshinou Kyouko

Wait

Can I have my above question answered

JNat

So we're all agreed on this matter? H questions should be taken care of on a per-case basis (regarding the hiding and editing of content and language), but otherwise allowed and treated as any other question, both in terms of closing and/or voting

Gao Weiwei

@ToshinouKyouko i think it's ok to ask that

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

Jan 17, 2015 19:34

@ToshinouKyouko it's fine

Toshinou Kyouko

OK, then I'm fine with your proposals

JNat

@ToshinouKyouko allowed, and regarded as any other id-req question

Toshinou Kyouko

(Not planning on asking this question btw :p)

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@LoganM I was making a ironic pun with there being no specific rule on the explicit stuff

JNat

Once again, then, should we move on to the next matter, or wrap it up?

We've been at it for 90 minutes

Logan M

Jan 17, 2015 19:35

oic

JNat

Next up would be the allowing or not of Japanese language on questions on the main site

Vote below, please

Carry on

Wrap it up

Toshinou Kyouko

As in: anime-related ones?

JNat

if no more votes are cast, I guess we'll wrap it up

Madara Uchiha

@ToshinouKyouko Yes, written in Japanese

Toshinou Kyouko

Wait

JNat

Jan 17, 2015 19:36

@MadaraUchiha that, yeah

nhahtdh

@JNat Not answer?

Toshinou Kyouko

Oh, like the question written in Japanese?

Madara Uchiha

@nhahtdh Posts in general.

JNat

@nhahtdh questions and answers, yeah

@ToshinouKyouko yes

Ok, the votes are up, and we're gonna wrap it up for today

Toshinou Kyouko

Yeah wrap it up until A&M .JP is up :p

Madara Uchiha

Jan 17, 2015 19:37

Alright folks

Thanks for participating

JNat

Thanks everyone for participating today

Please take a moment to answer the survey linked to on the side bar

Eric

We need another meeting. Next week I won't be here at this time, though.

Madara Uchiha

We will schedule a new meeting

JNat

We'll schedule another meeting in the near future

Madara Uchiha

Stay tuned.

JNat

Jan 17, 2015 19:38

Probably not for next week

Frosteeze

@Hakase celebrate by turning on Taisho :O

JNat

@MadaraUchiha this, yeah

Hakase

#pantsu enable

Taisho

Pantsu module enabled.

JNat

meeting adjourned

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