go for or against law?

Conversation started Jul 3, 2012 at 5:28.

Frank Science

Jul 3, 2012 05:28

@JasperLoy In June, there was an important exam in China. Do you know?

BenjaLim

@PeterTamaroff The best moment of his career: youtube.com/watch?v=FpbbycTNN50

user19161

@PeterTamaroff WTF???

user19161

@FrankScience Nope. What is it?

Peter Tamaroff

@JasperLoy It is!

Frank Science

@JasperLoy University Entrance Test, named after gaokao.

Peter Tamaroff

Jul 3, 2012 05:29

google.com.ar/…

user19161

@FrankScience Ah, and how did you do?

Peter Tamaroff

Google "Maddamme Tusseaud's"

Frank Science

@JasperLoy There was somebody late for the test, about 2 min. The door keeper prohibitted him entering the test.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience WOW

That is sad.

user19161

@FrankScience That is too strict for a high school kid.

user19161

Jul 3, 2012 05:32

I am sick and tired of many rules in this world.

user19161

Stupid people make stupid rules leading to needless suffering.

Frank Science

@JasperLoy When the message spread out, many people criticized the door keeper.

I DON'T THINK SO.

user19161

@FrankScience I am speaking in general.

Frank Science

IT'S A RULE, OR MORE FORMAL, A LAW.

EVERYONE SHOULD OBSERVE IT WITHOUT CONSIDERATION.

NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.

user19161

OK, maybe we can discuss this a year later and see if you have changed.

Frank Science

Jul 3, 2012 05:35

So even 1 second, or 1 MILLISECOND, he should be avoided to enter the test.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience I think that is stupid, Frank. What if there was a car accident? Or a manifestation in favour of human rights taht blocked the street?

Why do you think that rule should be enforced? What is the logic behind it?

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff If there's no addition explanation on the law, even if he were robbed, he should be avoided.

user19161

Hello @gigili. I was thinking about you just now.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience So that is a de facto arbitrary, non-humanistic law.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff Because law is superior to any individual.

Peter Tamaroff

Jul 3, 2012 05:38

@FrankScience Laws are made by individuals.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff It might be a bug in law, but we should observe it until the law is edited.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Laws are to benefit the population. I see no benefit in that law.

Do you agree that a law should benefit the population?

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff You cannot go against it until it is voted to be canceled.

It's time for me to have lunch.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience But you can certainly protest against it.

@Gigili Hey.

Gigili

@JasperLoy For how long were you thinking of me?

Hello @Peter.

Peter Tamaroff

Jul 3, 2012 05:48

@JasperLoy Remember you owe me a picture.

Frank Science

An individual is NO MORE THAN a robot when observing the law. He/She can participate in downvoting it, making efforts to cancel it, but the law is effective until it's canceled.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience The law is at the service of individuals, not conversely. We create the law and modify it for our social (general) benefit. If a law is deficient then it must be changed.

David Wallace

@JasperLoy SALT

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience We are not robots Frank. We are humans. We create laws. The laws are at our service. We aren't at the service of the law. That would be a dictatorship. We would be bending over a de facto system of rules, no matter if we agree with them or not.

If someone came up with a law saying "All humans are not created as equals" would you "observe" it as a "robot"?

Frank Science

Jul 3, 2012 06:04

@PeterTamaroff Why can he/she create such law? All laws should be voted.

@PeterTamaroff Is it taught that, you can go agianst the law whenever you think the law is not reasonable?

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Of course, that is what a democracy is. Go against does not mean break, but rather oppose. This in turn means, creating a movement to change that law into another.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff Sorry, my word is wrong.

@PeterTamaroff I meant that, we cannot break the law until the law is voted to be canceled.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience We can, but we shouldn't.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff shan't

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Yes.

Frank Science

Jul 3, 2012 06:15

@PeterTamaroff So that high-school student late for the test shan't be allowed to enter the test, as the law isn't canceled.

Peter Tamaroff

As an example, I think cigarette should be prohibited. It kills more people a year than Hitler did during WWII.

But that doesn't mean I'm bombing cigarette factories.

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff Is it right now?

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience If you think the student is being benefited by breaking the law, he should.

@FrankScience ???

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff He can vote to cancel the rule, but he shan't be allowed to enter the test in that time.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience I'll give you an example.

Say your mother has had an awful injury, and you need to take her to the hospital. Will you respect traffic signs if they delay you?

Frank Science

Jul 3, 2012 06:19

@PeterTamaroff the ambulance is allowed to break the rule of traffic lights in the law.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience What if you're in your car? If it is too late to call an ambulance?

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff Shan't.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience You would let fate take its course?

Frank Science

@PeterTamaroff There's something that needs explanation. I can break the rule of traffic signs in that extreme condition, but I shall be punished then.

Peter Tamaroff

@FrankScience Of course there is something that needs explanation! Why the hell would you follow the rules if your personal well fare is at stake? =)

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