What about 2 Medivacs + 6 Marines + 3 Hellions?

Ivo Flipse

Dec 29, 2010 12:06

I wonder @TomWij, against Zerg would 2 medivacs + 6 marines and 3 helions be a good thing for taking out his expo/minerals

yes, but the man surely isn't working all the time around the holidays

though they are mostly in the weekends

badp

@IvoFlipse the careers page mentions 12 holidays/year so I guess today doesn't count :P

Ivo Flipse

lol, he should have the same boss as me then

badp

(just kidding, they could slack 365 d/y and I woldn't complain)

Ivo Flipse

@TomWij, this composition takes 6:20 to make

badp

(so long as things have the semblance of just working)

stupid code rot! shakes fist

gah

TomWij

Dec 29, 2010 12:13

@IvoFlipse: I wonder how many marines are needed to take down a queen, because it might be more useful to have an extra hellion.

Ivo Flipse

the marines are useful, because of the double medivacs healing them

the helions might get destroyed

TomWij

Because 2 medivacs + 5 marines + 4 hellions takes 6:06 to make.

Ivo Flipse

ah ok

well in that case, definitely

I also spot that the program is moving SCVs off gas to minerals

then back at some point

TomWij

Hmm...

2 medivacs + 6 marines + 4 hellions takes 6:10 to make, odd... xD

Ivo Flipse

did you get the pre-igniter upgrade?

TomWij

Dec 29, 2010 12:16

No

Ivo Flipse

perhaps that's what's holding the built down too

though I'd move out

THEN get the upgrade

or at least, make all units before getting the upgrade

TomWij

Turns it to 6:40+

Ivo Flipse

strange, you must have constant SCV on or something

I have 5:51 for 6 marines, 3 helions and 2 medivacs

TomWij

But this depends on calling down extra supplies which makes your economy worse too.

Ivo Flipse

I haven't selected any other options, I'm just letting the BO decide

5:50 for 4 marines+helions + 2 medivacs

TomWij

Dec 29, 2010 12:19

Could be solved by throwing down an expansion, but the problem is that if you do this BO that you can't defend it if your opponent decides to attack after he took out your drop.

Ivo Flipse

well you should have your buildings on a hotkey

TomWij

@IvoFlipse I always select that, unless you want your economy to be broke.

Ivo Flipse

spawning new units while you're flying there

Zerg can have an expansion and 12 zerglings bij 3:49: HOLY CRAP

TomWij

Possible, but you will need to out the ramp and run in the zerglings in order to defend your expansion.

Ivo Flipse

isn't the point of flying out to scare off the zerg from attacking you?

if you damage his economy enough (as in killing any queens and 5+ drones), you should set him back enough to at least defend yourself

btw, if after that you make 2 vikings, while your flying

you should move them over to kill his overlords

TomWij

Dec 29, 2010 12:22

As a Zerg I would think "he wasted this army so there will only be a small amount of units at his base/expo".

Ivo Flipse

that will set him back even further

sure, but I have my ramped blocked

even if I don't have an expo 'yet'

put hellions and marines behind your wall

but Zerg can have 12 zerglings, 5 roaches and 2 queens on 2 hatcheries in 5:22

I don't think those helions and marines are going to put a dent into such an army

the only advantage is, after taking out the queens

he has no anti-air

so you should be able to scare him into running to your base like crazy, as you can just pick up all your units before his arrive

TomWij

Yeah, did you see the replay at the end of my post?

Ivo Flipse

fly to his main and wreck havock there

nope, going to look now I guess

TomWij

He basically kills the queen and then uses a very small amount of vikings to go chase the overlords that are around his base.

Ivo Flipse

yeah, you get supply blocked, don't have enough drones to pay for it

and can't get enough units to destroy the opponents main

while the terran should just tech up into tanks

or mass some helions + marauders

TomWij

Dec 29, 2010 12:27

It will work if the execution is right, just depends on how your army succeeds...

Because one queen is enough to inject larva at both hatcheries.

Ivo Flipse

sure, but you need minerals to make either units or drones

TomWij

True, but he is on two bases so will be able to recover quickly.

Ivo Flipse

not if you take out his overlords

or even one

should really set him back, because he'll be supply blocked

hi @CRoss

C. Ross

Good morning @IvoFlipse, and everyone else

Ivo Flipse

and you shouldn't loose your medivacs in the attack, even if you suicide your helions + marines

but I wonder how many units you would be able to make while flying there and while attacking

hmmm perhaps making marauders + helions is a good idea

with concussive shells, they slow the roaches enough to kite them, without them being able to do damage

TomWij

Dec 29, 2010 12:32

Yes, to counter an incoming attack or for a later push. But you can't produce early Vikings while doing that...

Ivo Flipse

nope

but if you have one viking, it's enough to mess him up seriously

and after that one, just built to defend

check what Zerg is making

counter that

and drop again off course :P

TomWij

Well, you should try that against a Very Hard A.I. and see what he comes up with.

Ivo Flipse

wow those spine crawlers are very good

TomWij

What if he researches Lair and goes into Hydralisks?

Ivo Flipse

that means he hasn't made more roaches, he needs the gas

so you keep dropping, salvage the medivacs as much as possible

and as long as you can take out his queens, he won't get overlords very long

TomWij

Dec 29, 2010 12:38

Yeah, it's a pain to take those spine crawlers out in the Zero Hour campaign mission. xD

bit.ly/ev10fT

He can have a Hydralisk out when you arrive.

Err... I'm going to make a version with waypoints. xD

Ivo Flipse

perhaps you should send in the marines first

to his expo

then send the helions after that to his main

while kiting some of his forces away from his natural, off the creep

then load up into the medivac and return to the base to get fresh units

while damaging his main

then drawing back as his reinforcements come in

the only reason you would have for suiciding units, it because of supply blocks (+ the cost of supply depots)

but really, you probably want to keep those units alive and sent them back with reinforcements

they'll do more damage with buddies around them

TomWij

Problem is, you are taking Marines on the field which will be easily surrounded by Zerglings. You damage his Zerglings and/or a Scouting Overlord which would probably force him to get back to his base to heal the Zerglings on his creep, at which point he will be close to your Medivac drop.

See this build about what units your enemy will have around the drop if he plans to go Hydralisks: bit.ly/gTvQ2H

Ivo Flipse

taking minerals on the field?

TomWij

Corrected. xD

Ivo Flipse

your taking them on to the field only to pick them up with the medivac

but lure him far from his main, where you just dropped your helions

and yes, Zerg will have a strong army in the beginning

but by the time he reaches your base

you could have teched up to siege tanks

gotten out marauders

or make a whole bunch more units too

because of the choke point at the ramp, it be hard for Zerg to get in

so simply overrunning you with more units would be difficult

TomWij

Dec 29, 2010 12:54

Wait, are you dropping the hellion first or picking up the marines first?

Ivo Flipse

you have 2 medivacs

TomWij

Oh, right. xD

Ivo Flipse

drop the marines or 50-50 mix into the natural

so you can pull out as soon as the medivac is done

then pull out when the last medivac comes out and is full of units

sent that one to the main

wreck havoc at the natural, lure out his reinforcements, kite them off the creep, then pick them up before they get overrun

TomWij

I see...

Ivo Flipse

and flee back or fly to his main

while in his main, he's only got his queen and drones

probably making zerglings or roaches

TomWij

Dec 29, 2010 12:56

Is this prone to any attacks he is planning?

Ivo Flipse

but your mission is to take out the queen and hurt a lot of drones then flee

how do you mean? how he will counter it?

TomWij

Yes

Ivo Flipse

attack you as soon as you pull out

TomWij

Hmm, I wonder how fast the queen could take out the medivac.

Ivo Flipse

assuming you are weak or weakened

or trying to recover by finishing his batch of units and start up his production again

TomWij

Dec 29, 2010 12:58

Well, you should try this against a Very Hard A.I. later to see how it works.

Ivo Flipse

combined with quick teching to something stronger

well, it requires good micro, which I clearly lack :P

but if you didn't drop you would have 2 siege tanks, 10 marines + 5 marauder and 2 medivacs in 7:48

good luck taking that ramp if you don't have massive units or banelings

TomWij

Yeah, it's a harassment that could work great but indeed needs micro to make it effective.

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Ivo Flipse

the only thing I'm not sure of is how to transition from there

either make vikings to take out his overlords

just one or two

then make banshees to take out his queens or anti-air

or go full Mech

or bio-ball over him asap

TomWij

Well, you need to defend both your base and expansion with those units so he could try to sneak behind the mineral line of your natural with zerglings while sending mutalisks at your main.

Ivo Flipse

Dec 29, 2010 13:06

yes, though you don't need a natural YET at this point

if you do, go MMM and put a ball around your natural

built bunkers if you think you can spare the minerals

put them next to your OC, so you can closely guard your SCVs

TomWij

@IvoFlipse Banshees only work if you go for them with minimal interference, if your opponent manages to get a hive and overseer by the time they arrive then they aren't useful anymore. He will sure try to get there in time when he sees you are teching towards that direction...

Ivo Flipse

it would be to cover the vikings

taking out his overlords

but you'd have to be super quick making them

he may know what you're going to do, but it should be inevitable, because you've set him back so much

TomWij

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Ivo Flipse

the problem with a zerg fast expanding is that a hatchery is also his barrack, factory and star port all mixed into one

so he doesn't have to built 3 rax to get a lot of zerglings

he needs to get done that extra hatchery

while that building will also give him a good economy advantage

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Ivo Flipse

Dec 29, 2010 13:19

what should terran do? produce an army that is just at least as strong as his and from there outmaneuver him

What about 2 Medivacs + 6 Marines + 3 Hellions?

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