murgatroid99 rants about Destiny

badp

Sep 12, 2014 22:49

Meanwhile at Ben's

Meanwhile in nymwars

murgatroid99

@badp Don't buy it

@badp I'm glad we (Google) reversed that policy

badp

@murgatroid99 I don't have a console

murgatroid99

@badp cc everyone else

badp

@murgatroid99 So... what's wrong?

I mean, I've always scoffed at it because "console shooters, amirite" but I'd be interested in hearing about actual problems that would also carry over to a PC port.

murgatroid99

@badp Honestly, at least to my taste, nothing about it is good. And I absolutely love Halo, as a data point

@badp I'll need a second to collate thoughts on specific problems

badp

Sep 12, 2014 22:57

I suppose this made me smirk, but again I suppose it's not like that on current-gen

murgatroid99

@badp I have never played a game that made me feel less a part of the story. I am told by the game that I am doing important stuff, but nobody seems to care and nothing substantial changes

@badp Every mission has almost the same structure, with basically the same enemies.

badp

JUST LIKE IN A REAL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

murgatroid99

You fight through waves of enemies to get to the waypoint, then you plug the floaty thing into the waypoint and defend it from waves of enemies.

And they really love fake difficulty: the only difficult thing is fighting off 7 shielded mortar enemies as only one person

Everything that's not the story feels completely pointless: all you get is loot, so that you can be better at pointless side missions, so you can get more loot

They got some great actors to do voice acting, but NPCs besides the ghost rarely speak

Basically, everything about the game feels tedious and pointless. I tried to convince myself to keep playing yesterday until I realized that I probably have another 8+ story missions of just the same thing over and over again

@murgatroid99 oh, sometimes instead of the waypoint thing, you fight a boss with an absurd amount of health that isn't much of a threat as long as you stay in cover

The boss of the first strike mission took 3 of us a good 5-10 minutes to kill, and we were all above the level suggestion

badp

regenerating health y/n

murgatroid99

@badp yes

And if we had all been dead at the same time in that fight, we would have had to start over

If you can think of another element of the game, I can explain what's wrong with it

badp

Sep 12, 2014 23:04

crafting y/n

murgatroid99

@badp The problem is that the ghost will say something like "This has never been explored before" or "this has been a major problem for centuries" and then it's baffling when nobody cares that I dealt with it alone

@badp not as far as I can tell

badp

economy y/n

murgatroid99

@badp With other players? no

badp

wow.

murgatroid99

Oh right, the multiplayer. There's no variety within a match and it takes too long

badp

Sep 12, 2014 23:06

pvp y/n

murgatroid99

@badp yes, but halo style.

badp

I haven't played Halo.

murgatroid99

Separate from other stuff

badp

Ah.

So it's basically Killing Floor without zombies.

murgatroid99

@badp never played Killing Floor

badp

Sep 12, 2014 23:07

And you have some persistency between games.

murgatroid99

@badp Your character goes into the games, so you have the abilities you've earned, but it normalizes damage and stuff

And I think you earn some experience from the matches, but I'm not sure because I only played 1

badp

@murgatroid99 It's Left 4 Dead but you always crawl the same four rooms. Also cash upgrades.

murgatroid99

Also, the environments. They're huge, but there isn't really anything interesting

badp

Sounds like Mars! Except Mars isn't huge :(

murgatroid99

There are random events, but they all seem to be of the "defend a waypoint from waves of enemies" variety

badp

Sep 12, 2014 23:09

go back to the mission area or you will die y/n

murgatroid99

@badp Mars is an environment

@badp No, it's just boring

badp

quick time events y/n

murgatroid99

@badp no

badp

random critical hits y/n

murgatroid99

@badp No. Every enemy has a weak point. It's almost always the head

badp

Sep 12, 2014 23:10

(I just have no idea)

noscope headshots y/n

sounds like that's a yes

FAE

@murgatroid99 Devil's Lair?

murgatroid99

@badp maybe.

FAE

@murgatroid99 yes you do

murgatroid99

@FAE If that's the one on Earth, then yes

FAE

@murgatroid99 There are boundaries like that. If you go too far out in the water, you die.

murgatroid99

Sep 12, 2014 23:11

@FAE Right, but you can go to the opposite side of the moon from where your waypoint is

FAE

@murgatroid99 That took me over half an hour in beta with 2 random people because none of us had any idea what we were doing and we couldn't communicate with each other

@murgatroid99 Oh right

murgatroid99

I kind of wish I had the drive to finish the story, but after dying 3 times on the same wave of a defend the waypoint section of a Venus mission, I just don't care any more

badp

ending on that note a $60 game sounds like a really rough deal :(

murgatroid99

It's just unreasonable to send 3 or 4 shielded teleporting robots with AOE weapons against a single player

And since it's like wave 3 or so, it means that I had to play through the first 2 waves repeatedly

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murgatroid99

Sep 12, 2014 23:16

I just don't think I've ever been more disappointed in a game

Yuuki

@murgatroid99 Biggest problem for this game was the hype.

FAE

@murgatroid99 Ugh, I hate that. I was already worried about soloing further on after noticing in the Earth missions in beta that the amount of enemies didn't seem to scale with # of players.

Fluttershy

@Yuuki Same can be said about a lot of things, sadly. :(

murgatroid99

@Yuuki From my POV, Bungie's track record was impeccable.

Fluttershy

This is a fairly new concept to them, to be fair. Shooters they can do. MMO stuff, the jury's still out.

murgatroid99

Sep 12, 2014 23:23

@Fluttershy It's really a stretch to call this an MMO

I don't think I've seen a single player in the field since I got to the moon

Fluttershy

@murgatroid99 True, but it does have some MMO elements.

murgatroid99

@Fluttershy But not communication or trading

Fluttershy

@murgatroid99 Right. Some, not all. :P

murgatroid99

It's more like an Occasional Spatial Intersection game

Fluttershy

So more like a Dark Souls kind of multiplayer, sorta?

Only, with actual world interaction.

murgatroid99

Sep 12, 2014 23:26

@Fluttershy If you mean the thing where you see intangible people, then kind of

badp

Meanwhile on the Steam Market

Fluttershy

@murgatroid99 Yeah, that one!

Yuuki

@murgatroid99 I hear that's the same problem Bioware had when they tried to break into the MMO field with TOR.

murgatroid99

Also, according to a review I read, the MMO "features" mean that the game requires always-online to work, even though it's basically a single player game. Too bad they didn't have some sort of precedent to know how that would work out

badp

> Though the game won't function unless you connect your console to the internet, you can play the entire story portion solo. This is the asterisk to Destiny's MMO-like nature, because the game doesn't connect players to each other by way of giant, crowded worlds. Instead, it constantly creates small instances in which groups of roughly six-to-eight players might see each other on the same planet, running past each other and teaming up against particularly tough monsters as they please.

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"Welcome to Earth. Population: 8"

Yuuki

Sep 12, 2014 23:31

@badp Roughly six to eight per planet??!!

@murgatroid99 #hashtagDarkSouls?

murgatroid99

@Yuuki Each planet has about a square kilometer +/- of playable space

@Yuuki You can play Dark Souls offline. It just doesn't record achievements. Like every other game with achievements

badp

@murgatroid99 Well that's not true.

Yuuki

@badp Yeah, it is. I missed one achievement because I completed it offline.

badp

Steam in offline mode will still record achievements you unlock and tell the Steam servers about it when you go back online

Yuuki

Now I have to get Gesture Maestro on another account.

murgatroid99

Sep 12, 2014 23:33

@badp Oh. Maybe that's Xbox then

Yuuki

@badp Depends on the game.

badp

Ah, perhaps it's XBox.

Yuuki

That functionality doesn't happen in Dark Souls 2.

badp

I guess it's Dark Souls 2 that decides you don't get to have offline achievements then

I got my Freedom Planet achievements just fine.

murgatroid99

@badp This seems insane. With the maps so large, it's pretty improbable you'll run into anyone else

badp

Sep 12, 2014 23:35

@murgatroid99 Clearly you just need to make a pretty big rufus to attract attention :P

Yuuki

6-8 is a really low number.

murgatroid99

@badp If only there was a way to do that

badp

@murgatroid99 I'm reminded of that exploit for L4D2 that made all the players scream really loudly all the time.

murgatroid99

@badp Even the. As I said, the map is probably a square km, and each map has a large network of underground tunnels

You'd probably never hear each other

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murgatroid99

Sep 12, 2014 23:37

@badp I did one random event on the moon, and nobody showed up for the 5 minutes it was active, even though it displayed a waypoint to anyone who was kind of close

badp

You're making it sound like Firefall might be the Destiny that wasn't.

And Firefall is f2p

Dunno about monetization, though

murgatroid99

@badp Did it have a story? Because that's what I was really hoping for

FEichinger

Firefall kinda has a story.

badp

@murgatroid99 um, I'm afraid not really.

FEichinger

But it's really awfully implemented.

Firefall has heavy grindy-MMO-syndrome.

badp

Sep 12, 2014 23:40

@FEichinger at least you're sharing the same space with more than 8 people

murgatroid99

@FEichinger just like Destiny

badp

I mean, yeah, I came back to Firefall multiple times across the last year and a half, but it never grabbed me.

Mostly because every time it insisted I did the tutorial.

murgatroid99

And I play Runescape. I can appreciate a good grind.

FEichinger

Firefall has changed completely at least four times since I got into the beta way back when.

badp

Last time it pushed me into doing a "story" mission, then the NPC I was supposed to stick by simply vanished.

but that was a few weeks ago.

@FEichinger eh the core was kinda always the same, and the starting area hasn't changed much. Yeah, there's no more back and forth defending bases in PvE

That was perhaps the most memorable Firefall I've played.

"OH SHIT THEY ARE ACTUALLY TAKING OVER OUR STARTING AREA WAT"

murgatroid99

Sep 12, 2014 23:43

@badp See, that's the other thing I was hoping for in Destiny. Because that's what the original reveal made it sound like

FEichinger

@badp Copa has changed a lot since the beginning. The bare terrain is roughly the same, but almost everything on top is different.

murgatroid99

A global scale evolving battle to retake the earth

badp

@murgatroid99 That was the ambition, but the battle ended up being kinda... static.

FEichinger

@badp And this magically disappeared shortly before launch. Might be back now, I dunno. :(

badp

@FEichinger I just didn't see anything even remotely like that last time.

and I spent some time getting around adding "cities" to the map, all the way to the purple goop that dissolves you (?)

FEichinger

Sep 12, 2014 23:45

@badp It happens in Sunken Harbor a bit, and quite a lot around Dredge.

murgatroid99

@badp I think a lot of the hype came from what the original reveal made the game sound like, and a lot of it came from the "Bungie" name

FEichinger

But they've basically gotten rid of all the big open world events, for whatever reason.

It's weird, because that was still one of the really important things in the opening trailer. That attack on Dredge was friggin awesome. And then it never really happened in the game ... :/

badp

...oooh now there's a world map.

Like, literally.

Oh, here it is.

And it's a level 40 area.

And there's no obvious way back

weee.

Wayfinding in Firefall has always been the weakest point

FEichinger

I dunno, I always liked that. Glider pads and LGVs solve the travel problem, and the map is pretty good.

badp

Navigation around outposts and mountain ranges is usually painful and they even monetize how painful it is by having VIP-only gliders.

Luckily now there's the yellow navigation aid arrows

Now I'm in Sertao and there really seems to be no way back. Woot!

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murgatroid99

So, one other thing about Destiny: Bungie has touted Raids as the killer feature of the game. And I can't help but think that if Raids are like bigger longer strikes then they will be absolutely torturous

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