Conversation started Apr 10, 2013 at 4:24.
Apr 10, 2013 04:24
@badp @BenBrocka @Krazer @RavenDreamer @Oak @agent86 @MadScientist please could you remove the noise from this channel by banning Retrosaur and Johann
This has gone on long enough now
@kalina no one else is on here
They've been repeatedly disruptive for hours over multiple days
@Johann I don't see what's wrong. We're discussing Gaming
ive been on here for two days
@Retrosaur we were like the only two on here
I don't see anything bannable here, but okay...
Apr 10, 2013 04:25
@Johann No, you aren't. I just have nothing to say right now
Two users engaging in conversation when no one is around is now considered a bannable offense! Wonderful! It's like I'm forced to talk to myself to not get banned!
@Retrosaur thunderous applause
Let's let the moderators decide based on chat logs
not based on the words of users
@FEichinger Direct insults are not acceptable, I've removed it for now without suspension, but that won't happen a second time
Because, as Cave Johnson said, Humans, cannot be trusted.
Apr 10, 2013 04:26
It is getting to the point where the active user base of this stackexchange site is not willing to use the site
@MadScientist finally justice
And I'll ask everyone to calm down first.
@Retrosaur No, two users generating noise in a normally active chatroom, solely for the sake of annoying other users is a bannable offense. If you two want to keep acting this way, make a separate room.
ok no more spamming now
(at least Robots gave us 6 seconds of co-operation. Go robots.)
We are NOT generating noise to annoy others
Apr 10, 2013 04:26
@Fluttershy we were the only two on here
I'm chatting with Johann about gaming
I don't like how you directly assume we're trollign
when I'm actually trying to have a fun, upspirited conversation
if I was a troll I would have named my username trollguy or something
Because all anyone wants to do in this chatroom is talk about daily life, how their day went, something about ponies
@Johann You have been annoying a great number of users in this chat, that at least I noticed. I'm pretty sure something is going wrong here, but I'm not acting without knowing the full background
@MadScientist Ive just been talking to retrosaur
Apr 10, 2013 04:27
@MadScientist @AnnaLear stated yesterday that being disruptive is sufficient for a chat ban
Myself and at least 5 other users will vouch for their disruptiveness
@kalina cussing is also sufficient
@kalina And they've pretty clearly been disruptive.
I won't speak for him, I have no clue what's happening, but a bunch of users are spouting completely useless drivel as to what is considered "disruptive".
@kalina Agreed
What is "disruptive"?
Apr 10, 2013 04:28
Please for the love of sanity get rid of the noise, the signal is being drowned out
@kalina o/
@kalina Can't stop the signal.
Once you start broadcasting, you can never go back
@OrigamiRobot You can never stop the signal, Mal.
@kalina Here as well. As much as I try to deal with it
Apr 10, 2013 04:28
If GnomeSlice can get banned for six months by being GnomeSlice, both of these two should be picking up similar bans
You've all played Left 4 Dead 2
@MadScientist It has simply hit the point where it's flat-out too late. This crap has been going on for two days now.
If you want to find out something then stop chatting "STOP BEING DISRUPTIVE YOU ARE THE MOST LOW DOWN PEOPLE" and solve whatever problem there seems to be
I've been in this chat room for 2 hours in the past 2 days
@kalina This is a complicated enough situation that I don't really want to act as an external mod if I don't have to
Apr 10, 2013 04:29
@MadScientist it's ban enough that we've moved into a different channel, and now Retro has made himself at home there too
Since we can't remove him from the other channel, we're out of options
@kalina Make that one a gallery room if you want
Moderator intervention is now required
Oh good, playing victim cards now.
@Johann You are the problem. We are trying to solve you.
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Wait, I'm terribly confused
Apr 10, 2013 04:30
can someone explain to me what I have done
Are you all mad at @Retrosaur, @Johann, or both?
uh-oh I leave for a second and shit goes downnnnn
@Retrosaur both
@Retrosaur Very clearly both.
@Retrosaur we've asked you to leave the other channel, you've made it clear that you're not going to
Therefore this is the next and only solution
Apr 10, 2013 04:31
Whoa, so entering other chat rooms with no specific rules are a bannable offense nwo
I'm getting excited, I can hardly wake? It's like private treehouses or something
@Retrosaur The purpose of the other room is to avoid you two so that we avoid this friction
This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; the topic of this room is "General Chat Room for Arqade.com. The main quarters of Arqade's SEI AskQuestion Mothership, wherein we celebrate one million messages (chat.stackexchange.com/messages/8706905/history)."; - conversation should be limited to that topic.
Lets take a moment to calm down.
For everyone that doesn't know it, if you click on the user you can select "ignore this user" and won't see their posts anymore. That might be useful in this situation
Anyone here selling TF2 items :C
@Johann TBQH, you've been substantially less awful tonight - if still not a shining citizen. Retro however, continues to be a reprhensible moron.
Apr 10, 2013 04:34
@MadScientist Ignoring is great for a personal level. It is not when it's multiple users constantly doing this to the entire room.
@MadScientist That is true, but often if a user is annoying everyone else, it's better to deal with the source of the problem than to have some subset of the users ignore that user
@MadScientist This is the whole of the Bridge that has a problem with these two
@FEichinger I'm recomending this for the short term
Ignore is not the solution
Have you posted rules for chat on your meta?
That we can then enforce?
Apr 10, 2013 04:35
We haven't been doing anything bannable, I don't understand why everyone's raising a fuss over nothing
This is something that should involve all of the Gaming mods
48 mins ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz
@Johann FUCK TEXAS.
@BrianBallsun-Stanton @AnnaLear as a stackexchange employee stated that disruptive behaviour is sufficient enough for a suspension
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Aren't there general rules, like don't go into a room and bother everyone after repeated requests to stop?
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Unsure. But we did have a member of the SE Team inform us that being disruptive is a banable offense.
Apr 10, 2013 04:35
@LessPop_MoreFizz ahem
@Retrosaur He already ate a suspension for that. Drop it.
If the moderation team is not willing to enforce stackexchange rules then expect a complaint against moderators as well
Yes, but operationalizing disruptive is generally useful for a community.
I had no clue, no need to be aggresive
it just showed up in the starred list on the right
I.e. what behaviours do you, as gaming, consider disruptive?
Apr 10, 2013 04:36
because this is getting stupid now
"people interrupting our conversations boohoo"
@BrianBallsun-Stanton repeatedly posting nonsensical crap, hitting the spam limiter with constant 'jks', forcibly trying to change the conversation, many other things
There's nobody in this chatroom, but someone has to come pretending we're causing a disruption
@Retrosaur Wrong. We were all here. We weren't talking because of the disruption.
@Retrosaur There's nobody in the chatroom because we all left to avoid you people...
Apr 10, 2013 04:37
@kalina So if you have a meta post with guidelines and rules then it's trivial to enforce. If you want the mods of sister sites to come in and make a call about disruption... it's rather harder.
So take this to your meta. Get community consensus.
Make actual and objective rules, please.
And hopefully, community consensus doesn't mean "let's get everyone who isn't me get banned!"
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Disruption shouldn't require community consensus to define. If you are annoying all of the regulars, it's disruptive.
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@kalina Your moderation team is asleep now, probably. We don't have 24h service. And this whole thing has a rather long history that is necessary to know to act appropriately, and I haven't read the whole transcript of the stuff from yesterday
@MadScientist you are sitting here with multiple regulars making an identical complaint but refusing to do anything about it
@murgatroid99 No, actually. It should require community building. Especially if you have a community. Creating explicit and intentional norms is part of keeping that community alive. Making your intentions and expectations clear can help set boundaries.
Apr 10, 2013 04:39
@SaintWacko You should be good, assuming you didn't get my other ping.
This is the third time I've personally seen the room put on time out due to disruptions involving Retrosaur.
@kalina Yep. And I agree with his call. We have no evidence besides spending half an hour reading chat logs of a community we don't know.
We need @AnnaLear in here...
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Then, being as polite as possible, what is the point in you being in here at all?
@kalina The part from today is not suspension-worthy alone from what I've seen. It could be in combination with the stuff that happened yesterday, but I have mostly heard about that and not read the transcript.
Apr 10, 2013 04:40
@kalina Because there were multiple flags on chat. If you all could then bring up a meta saying "look, X.Y.Z is a problem according to our community" we could fix.
And that is the purpose of meta.
We need a solution to this problem and we need it now.
I see that the Escape Pod is under lock down...
Then use your ignore function.
@FEichinger What happened since I left?
If the moderation team are happy causing an exodus on Arqade then carry on as you're going
I'm sure you'll start losing users soon enough
Apr 10, 2013 04:42
@Scootaloo Three guesses why
@kalina Ugh... I am so confused.
I understand hesitation, but at this point, you have two new users and on the other side a whole lot of people who ask for an action. That's not a call that should be stalled and pushed to meta.
 
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