Conversation started Jul 29, 2015 at 19:51.
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Jul 29, 2015 19:51
> About the one case I can think of where an other is to be favoured over another is if translating Rimbaud's "Je est un autre", I'd favour "I is an other" to "I is another", ...
Interesting.
(from ELU: english.stackexchange.com/a/154728/11482)
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Q: "An other" vs "another"

Faheem MithaI just edited this answer on unix.sx. The original sentence was But it won't transform it to an other format. I changed this to But it won't transform it to another format. The second form is standard, but is the first correct?

word-choice orthography determiners spacing
in ELL's Cabin, 3 mins ago, by snailboat
Another is one word, not just in writing but in speech; you can't pronounce an other separately like you can the other.
in ELL's Cabin, 2 mins ago, by snailboat
Many speakers today are unaware that another used to be two words.
in ELL's Cabin, 2 mins ago, by snailboat
The nonstandard form "a whole nother" shows that they've resplit it on syllable lines instead of thinking of it as an + other
Anonymous
Jul 29, 2015 20:07
I like how I can contribute to this chat room without even trying :-)
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
@snailboat :D
I wonder if I can search for the text in the messages I copied from other rooms.
Oh, I can! Yay!
Anonymous
> The alternative-additive determinative another
Anonymous
> Determinative another derives historically from the compounding of the indefinite article and the adjective other; the consequence of this for the modern language is that the existence of the determinative another blocks the co-occurrence of the indefinite article and other as separate syntactic constituents: *an other book. Determinatives other than the indefinite article precede other without such compounding [ . . . ]
Anonymous
(CGEL p.391)
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Oh, it sounds similar to your comment posted to that ELU answer.
Anonymous
Jul 29, 2015 20:19
True!
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Jul 29, 2015 20:54
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A: Why can't I write a space between "an" and "other"?

rogermue"other" is the only adjective in English that has three forms: other, another, others. You write "another" as one word because it is spoken as one word, but one might say it is a spelling convention.

Interesting that they say another is a form of the adjective other.
Imprecision is accumulating...
in English Language Learners, Aug 16 '14 at 21:22, by Damkerng T.
A random thought of the day: Three desirable qualities of a grammar textbook for L2 learners: accurate, comprehensive, and simplified
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Jul 29, 2015 21:54
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A: Difference between "even if" and "even though"

JuneThe Touchstone series English book, Level 3, that I have explains the two this way. "Even though" is similar to "but" or "despite the fact"; therefore, when using this term in a sentence one should be able to substitute the phrase "even though" for one of the alternate words, which means you ma...

Though it's not far off, I somehow don't like the substitutions much. But for even though? Hmm...
Then again, but for though is probably common in many books.
Anonymous
Jul 29, 2015 22:37
@DamkerngT. rogermue is a traditionalist, and "determiner" is a non-traditional category.
Anonymous
Although if you're going to take any one thing from modern linguistics and add it to your traditional grammar of English, determiner would be a great choice :-)
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
@snailboat It's a very nice concept, determiner.
I like the way it sounds too, for some reason. :D
Anonymous
Huddleston calls them determinatives.
Anonymous
But Quirk et al's influential grammar swapped determinative and determiner, and dictionaries these days have mostly adopted the latter as a part of speech.
Anonymous
Unfortunately, Huddleston decided to stick with his original terminology in CGEL, so now we have two different uses of those words.
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Jul 29, 2015 22:48
As always in linguistics, we have many frameworks. :D
Anonymous 
              lexical class      Function
Huddleston    determinative      Determiner
Quirk et al   Determiner         determinative
Anonymous
I capitalized the Functions.
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
Many thanks!
Anonymous
In favor of determinative, we can say it's like adjective
Anonymous
Which is also a word class.
Anonymous
Jul 29, 2015 22:51
(Word class = lexical class = part of speech)
 
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