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18:08
@YummySushi This chatroom is kinda literally world-wide.
Hello. :)
There have been people from the US, Japan, Thailand, etc.
@Catija Hullo!
18:37
\o @Oer @Jim
@Cat how're you doin'?
I'm surviving.
Surviving what? A nuclear blast?
What is your \o ?
Waving.
Yeah, kinda.
I see it. Cute.
18:42
It's actually related to my NMR shifts.
Nuclearmagnetic revolution?
Never-moaning raccoon.
Near-miss repair?
Naggy mister Ronald.
Nonsense mood rotation.
18:45
Neat Markdown Recaps.
I am insomnia . . . Insomnificacious.
Talk about obvious.
I am too tired to be typing on this stupid (smart) phone.
Then don't type dammit!
WHY ARE YOU MAKING ME?
18:47
To hear you scream. O.O
Hmm, how loud should it be to reach here?
Just making sure what I heard was you.
:(
It was a cat outside.
I think ELL should require images in answers. Images make answer more interesting.
No, I think they should obligate them if they're colorful.
I could make fingerpaints. Then send pics of them.
I don't think I've done that for almost 3 MAR lifetimes.
18:51
For love.
O.O
See how much more fun my answer is here than the other answer:
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Q: dog's-eye view -- meaning?

Cookie MonsterExample (NASA's Curiosity Rover Eyes Weird Rock On Mars): "We found an outcrop named Missoula where the two rock types came together, but it was quite small and close to the ground," Curiosity project scientist Ashwin Vasavada, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, said...

CAN YOU DE-INVERT YOUR NAME? SHEESH.
No.
No.
No.
No.
NO.
NO.
NO.
NO.
Nice Cat!!
I never heard of worm's or dog's eye view before.
I won't do it even if you get 10k stars for that message.
18:55
@JimReynolds Me neither... but I think the dog's eye at least is just from that article.
Oh, @JimReynolds I don't think you ever said what scores your students ended up getting.
Oh. Nice phrase.
@Catija Haven't sent him my scores. O.O
I don't think I'm qualified to do so, actually.
I told them all of our scores.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Why not?
What's the least requirement for being an examiner here?
18:57
You should. Just go with your feeling.
@JimReynolds Right, I just though you'd said at some point you were going to tell us what scores you gave them... and... did you say they got official scores?
I think I'm not an advanced enough learner.
Well, it's only for our reference. I teach them privately, so they don't get grades.
:( And what is the fun in that?
No flaming, no teacher-cursing, no nothing.
Compare their ability now with later.
19:00
No wonder Joanna pronounces comfortable as if she's a robot.
Why you little . . .
I'm not actually little. 184 cms high.
I got to sleep. I will let you know more about the assessment later, Cat.
I'm 190.5.
19:02
Nighty night, @JimReynolds!
You little . . .
Night-night!
@Dam suddenly appears when he's to say night! to someone.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M :D
Night @JimReynolds
Anonymous
The comments here confused me: ell.stackexchange.com/q/62902/230
19:14
@jam how in the world did you reach that conclusion? Snailboat didn't say it automagically gets converted to another, but said other people edit their answer for reasons of grammar improvements. Why editors would be "obnoxious jerks" is beyond me. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 24 secs ago
@snailboat People are being dicks on ELL today. That's why.
@jamesqf "an other" is wrong. Unless it's part of the question example, it's is correct for us to fix it. Calling people jerks for correcting incorrect spelling is uncalled for. — Catija 27 secs ago
@Catija Are you saying it is a disservice to the OP to correct a glaring error in a sentence he has posted, whether or not the sentence is his or hers? Comments like this one are what make SE a place that reeks of poison, as commentators like you find fault with answers that don't meet some useless criteria of the critics such as yourself. On any other website about English usage, your comment would be recognized with the amazed incogrodulity it deserves. Get a life. — User1 2 hours ago
@Catija Really? Gimme another example! Grabs popcorn
Burn that guy!
user116848
I just ate some popcorns.
19:15
Particularly as the "glaring error" isn't an error at all.
I'm gonna comment, chill.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I've just flagged it, personally.
I will also.
Is "incogrodulity" even a word?
Editing one's question without telling them what was fixed and why isn't helpful to the mistaken OP at all. @Cat was just indicating how ELLers usually help the OP with the other grammatical errors they have in their post, which aren't relevant to their main question. You're being outright rude. Please read a little about the policies instead of posting snarky comments next time. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 14 secs ago
@Catija From their first answer on meta.ELL, I just realized they would be an arrogant jerk.
19:20
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Oh? Where?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That wasn't really what I was saying... but. OK.
-1; do you know how bad I feel when I see a crappy question excluding me from the answerer list inheritedly just because I'm not a native speaker? If the comments below suffer a lack of logic, I'm very eager to hear your arguments against them. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 24 hours ago
-3
A: Requests for native speakers to answer questions

User1I do not see it as a problem if a poster requests answers from native speakers. In my short time on this site, I have seen many answers by a non-native speaker that have just been downright wrong. The two comments below suffer from a lack of logic.

Anonymous
Did you flag User1's rude comment? It's hard for me to do so from my phone.
Yeah, that was pretty crappy on his part.
@snailboat Two flags can do it.
Anonymous
19:22
Otherwise I'd flag it too.
Anonymous
Even if their answer were correct or useful, that doesn't give them license to break the rules.
@Cat did you flag Jamesqf's kinda correct but not nice comment?
@snailboat: Oh, so the answer is "because there are a bunch of obnoxious jerks on this site". I've noticed that myself :-( — jamesqf 49 mins ago
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It's gone.
I didn't realize it only took two flags for a comment to be deleted.
19:24
Maybe the threshold is lower for betas?
Anonymous
It takes more than that, but perhaps they deleted it themselves or a moderator saw it.
But I'm pretty sure @Dam flagged it too.
I think it takes three.
(to tango?)
Anonymous
What's "poison" is people being rude like that…
Interesting... it was marked "helpful" an hour ago?
19:25
To finish three sandwiches.
Anonymous
Odd.
@Catija Screenie.
Oh, maybe that's when I flagged it.
Anonymous
Yeah, I think that must be it.
19:26
If you mean the timestamp next to the flag; yeah, it's the time when you flagged it.
Yeah.
user116848
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M So that was the rude comment?
@Arrowfar That was the second rude comment.
13 mins ago, by Catija
@Catija Are you saying it is a disservice to the OP to correct a glaring error in a sentence he has posted, whether or not the sentence is his or hers? Comments like this one are what make SE a place that reeks of poison, as commentators like you find fault with answers that don't meet some useless criteria of the critics such as yourself. On any other website about English usage, your comment would be recognized with the amazed incogrodulity it deserves. Get a life. — User1 2 hours ago
Is the first rude comment.
They should have timestamps for when it is addressed by a mod.
19:28
Why?
A mod either ignores it, or marks it as helpful or declines it.
I don't think the time is really the case here.
Honestly, what I was saying is that "correcting" the sentence, considering it was not one the OP wrote himself doesn't do any good... Particularly with an unattributed sentence, we don't know if it was transcribed correctly. The OP isn't going to be correcting the sentence. And, even if you point out that the sentence is bad, in general, it should be after the actual answer of the question, as an aside, not the first thing in the answer.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Mostly I like to see the data. Seeing the response time is fun. Not to bitch about mods but to have an idea of how long someone can expect to wait on average.
I sometimes point grammatical errors in my answers.
Like here:
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A: I'd like to introduce myself to someone by using "a good side of me" and "a weak side of me"

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I know I can use "*an another side of Korean drinking culture" . . . No, you should un-know that. An doesn't go with another. It should rather be another side of Korean drinking culture, which would need additional polishing depending on what that phrase is supposed to mean in your context. ...

Anonymous
The sentence could be perfectly natural in context.
Anonymous
They haven't supplied that context, so it looks strange to a lot of folks.
As always, I haven't seen the sentence itself.
Anonymous
19:31
But we can't just assume that context doesn't exist.
@snailboat That was my thought... It seems like it's possible the beginning of the sentence may have been lopped off.
Anonymous
The OP should add in the surrounding context, ideally.
Anonymous
But you know what? Their question isn't even about that…
@snailboat Which was the main point of my comment. Not that it isn't helpful to fix other issues. If someone writes a sentence and asks about a particular verb form to use, I'll answer that and then I'll mention it might help to nudge the rest of the sentence a bit.
user116848
Now I am thinking what to write on the topic " Pompeii ".
Anonymous
19:43
@Catija Yeah, that makes sense to me.
Anonymous
I usually try to mention other issues when I can in cases like that.
Anonymous
Where they've written a sentence.
Yeah.
Anonymous
I wonder if jamesqf is unaware that *an other is ungrammatical.
@snailboat Yeah, that could be the case too.
Ahh my never-ending love for drama!
19:49
@snailboat Maybe it was because to some speakers, an other is still somewhat acceptable?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I perfectly understand what 'disagreement' means in this particular case. It means: "F off newbie. You are nothing". — Interface Unknown 6 mins ago
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Q: "An other" vs "another"

Faheem MithaI just edited this answer on unix.sx. The original sentence was But it won't transform it to an other format. I changed this to But it won't transform it to another format. The second form is standard, but is the first correct?

user116848
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You loooovvee drama dontcha?
@DamkerngT. I wonder: Is the answerer to that @Jim's mother or brother or sister?
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Well, um, uneducated speakers?
19:52
I have no idea about that!
Anonymous
I think there are very few times you could get away with an other without an editor changing it to another.
> So, it must simply be a matter of convention that makes an other unacceptable.
From the top-voted answer.
Anonymous
Meh.
Anonymous
Another is one word, not just in writing but in speech; you can't pronounce an other separately like you can the other.
As for me, I wouldn't write an other myself.
Anonymous
19:54
It's not just a matter of spelling.
There are certainly times when you don't want to combine a paired word... usually because you want to stress the second word. "I cannot understand you." VS "I simply can not understand this problem." But I don't think that applies to another.
Anonymous
Many speakers today are unaware that another used to be two words.
Anonymous
The nonstandard form "a whole nother" shows that they've resplit it on syllable lines instead of thinking of it as an + other
19:55
@snailboat And here I am saying "It's a whole other issue". :P
Anonymous
It is true that you generally use another where you might expect the combination an + other.
Anonymous
@Catija Yeah, that would be the standard alternative :-)
Hullo!
user116848
> "An Other Dark Agenda" is an orchestral piece on the Season 3 soundtrack.
user116848
@HarryCBurn Oi!
19:58
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Am I a Bulgarian? O:
Hm, still no new guys here?
@HarryCBurn Hello!
Oh, I never changed the room description after the vote.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I left a comment.
@HarryCBurn Are people in the UK Bulgarian?
@DamkerngT. Hey Dam!
user116848
19:59
@HarryCBurn Change it!
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M They are not ;)
Anyone remember what it was to become?
@snailboat applauds
> Official room for ELL.SE.
Something like that?
user116848
20:00
@HarryCBurn Make a funny one like they do in ELU chat.
Sure.
Damn.
(Oops.)
My funniness has been depleted trying to fight for Earth against @Jim.
I can't think of anything.
Me neither. I'll do it tomorrow ™.
user116848
@HarryCBurn Start with the topic: "I can't think of anything."
user116848
20:02
It will look awesome.
> Come and learn words you don't know how to use! Come on, it's photogenics!
Sure, I'll add it ;p
If you're being as serious as I am.
room topic changed to ELL's Cabin: This is a chatroom. (no tags)
user116848
20:03
Yay!
user116848
:)
@HarryCBurn @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M A suggestion: copy the description of the old room over here.
It's simple, elegant, not really classy.
And it could be funny depending on your mood.
user116848
Yeah it is good.
> A room to talk about English, linguistics, or anything you want! But remember this is a public room: do not give out personal contact information here.
Is the old one.
Thoughts?
20:04
Meh.
user116848
Remove the "personal contact information" part.
user116848
Yeah it is meh.
> A room to talk about English, linguistics, or anything you want!
Mediocre.
user116848
I have seen that topic like zillions of times.
20:05
Let's leave that be for some time.
user116848
Yeah
What about a pun?
user116848
Puns are good.
Could go with some nice writing.
What would the pun be about?
Anonymous
Darned mediocrity.
user116848
20:06
I am clueless.
Can't we just leave this topic alone?
user116848
Yes, yes. Leave it be.
> The sun falls gingerly over the cabin's roof, resting on it's weary inhabitants who sit without cares in suede and leather chairs, yet to find out the future's knowledge.
It is unique, heh.
Just throwing ides out there. ^
20:07
@HarryCBurn Later!
;p
You guys not feeling particularly productive?
user116848
What?! Sun here?! Suede and leather chairs?
user116848
That's posh!
I see this room as the classy lounge-bearing cabin.
:V
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M And how, sir or madam, do you know what is helpful to this OP? I could care less how ELLers do things. I am not an ELLer, I am here to help the OP, which I have done. And now my answer has been downvoted, despite the fact there is nothing wrong with it. Some "ELLer" downvoted it just to be pissy.This is what makes SE an ugly and ultimately an ineffective place. — User1 7 mins ago
20:11
Hm, I don't suppose anyone has any idea of how to generate a continuous series of RGB hues programmatically?
@HarryCBurn LaTeX?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Where's that from?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Could do, but I'm looking for a language independent algorithm.
@HarryCBurn It's from a guy with a rude comment.
Possibly a jerk or troll.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Got any direct link?
@HarryCBurn The timestamp of that comment is a link.
20:13
Ah, right c:
user116848
I feel cold today.
user116848
We have been getting rain lately.
user116848
Isn't that awesome?
No, if it's flooding.
user116848
Not yet :)
20:16
@HarryCBurn This should do: cs.rit.edu/~ncs/color/t_convert.html
Well, I'm not converting the values.
I'm trying the generate the RGB values for n points in the spectrum.
I'd build a list of them but I'm very short on RAM.
Anonymous
I turned my earlier chat message into a comment:
Anonymous
Even if your answer were correct, that wouldn't give you license to be rude. Please Be Nice. — snailboat 1 min ago
2
@snailboat Have a star.
@HarryCBurn How short?
It's a tiny Atmega chip on the Arduino Uno R3.
Short enough to not warrant a huge list.
> Flash 32k bytes (of which .5k is used for the bootloader)
SRAM 2k bytes
EEPROM 1k byte
Anonymous
20:20
Oh, it's like programming on a C64! ;-)
@HarryCBurn Not sure about n points. Is the spectrum supposed to look like this: github.com/FastLED/FastLED/wiki/Pixel-reference?
Unless I fade between each colour and minimalise the amount in a list.
Anonymous
20:20
What do you mean by a spectrum?
There's an easy LaTeX command for that.
Anonymous
9 mins ago, by HarryCBurn
Hm, I don't suppose anyone has any idea of how to generate a continuous series of RGB hues programmatically?
Anonymous
Like, fade from red to green, then from green to blue, then from blue to red?
I guess so.
Anonymous
You can do that with a simple state machine well enough:
State 1: r++; b--;
State 2: g++; r--;
State 3: b++; g--;
When r is maxed, switch from state 1 to state 2;
When g is maxed, switch from state 2 to state 3;
When b is maxed, switch from state 3 to state 1.
20:22
@snailboat Like the rainbow.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Well, I'm using a C based language on an Arduino with an LED ;)
@snailboat Aha!
My current code is similar.
Not clean, but similar.
(Getting a link.)
You can also use a HSV -> RGB converter, varying the H, fix the S and V to something like 128 or 255.
@HarryCBurn Horror show?
Anonymous
Oh okay, if you want to generate something like that, use Damkerng's function.
Anonymous
No need for a LUT.
Anonymous
Just feed in the values every frame.
20:24
@Catija: No, "an other" is not (always) wrong, and people who edit other people's posts, unasked, are IMHO jerks. — jamesqf 10 mins ago
@Catija Oh!
Anonymous
@Catija Ah, he is unaware that it's ungrammatical!
Anonymous
Also, he's unfamiliar with the way we tend to edit stuff here on ELL.
Anonymous
I think our edits tend to be a good thing because they're educational for ELLers.
20:27
@user3169 what are you talking about? The answers suggest that "an other" is wrong and people have the right to edit my posts to "another", so which examples you want from me? — Terve 1 min ago
I guess that thread of comments looks confusing to the OP!
It's very similar to what you suggested.
I'll change the presets now.
@DamkerngT. I take it this is a different Q?
Anonymous
Back in the VGA days, folks used to do stuff like what I said a lot. It was easy to code and didn't take up any CPU :-)
Anonymous
Plus, it looks pretty.
@HarryCBurn It's still from the "an other" question.
Anonymous
@Catija There are cases where the string an other can be used. But more than likely, that isn't relevant to jamesqf's point, because the OP most likely had it edited when it couldn't be used.
Anonymous
20:29
For example, if other is being used as a noun rather than an adjective.
Anonymous
Or if it's used as part of a larger phrase: "an other-than-honorable discharge"
@DamkerngT. Call me blind, but I can't even find it :(
Anonymous
But the combination of the indefinite article followed by the adjective other in a single noun phrase is ungrammatical.
Anonymous
And that's what's relevant here.
@HarryCBurn Click the link 1 min ago up there. ;-)
Anonymous
20:30
Pointing this out doesn't make someone a jerk.
@DamkerngT. Dammit, I forgot again!
@snailboat Oh, sure. That's definitely fine... but that's certainly not the question at hand.
What's an example of it used as a noun? I'm coming up blank.
Should we invite him to the room?
@snailboat I think you should answer the question and point out the edge cases... you're the best equipped to do this.
User1, I mean.
user116848
20:33
It is 1:30 AM here. Goodnight all!
@HarryCBurn NO. I don't want his hate-y mean black cloud in here.
Anonymous
@Catija But I'm so lazy!
Anonymous
@Catija Other is used in ways you might not expect in, for example, literary criticism.
@snailboat But you haz all the answrs.
Anonymous
Like when you talk about treating someone as "other".
Anonymous
Sometimes, in similar fashion, people use other as a singular noun.
@Catija Sure :) Just thought that a private(r) conversation might be easier.
@snailboat But that article never reads "an other".
Anonymous
> The psychiatrist is emotionally and spiritually dead. He has no purpose or cause to give his life significance. One of T. S. Eliot’s “hollow men,” he lacks enthusiasm for his vocation, not believing that he has been called by an Other.
20:37
@snailboat I wonder if they'd ever called anyone an Other in Lost (because those people were the Others). They probably did.
One of my favorite webcomics has an entity known as "The Other"...
But that doesn't really apply here.
ell.stackexchange.com/questions/63041/… is it bad that I knew who had posted it before reading halfway through?
Anonymous
That's true for me probably at least half the time on ELL.
Anonymous
Every time you see a StoneyB post, you know it's a StoneyB post :-)
SaySay is the easiest, though.
Anonymous
20:39
Oh, definitely.
Anonymous
Meatie's use of commas is really quite interesting.
Anonymous
Does meatie always do that?
SaySay just makes me weep and try to close the tab
Anonymous
I quoted the relevant section of CGEL in chat, by the way:
Anonymous
I'll quote it in here, too:
Anonymous
20:41
> The alternative-additive determinative another
Anonymous
> Determinative another derives historically from the compounding of the indefinite article and the adjective other; the consequence of this for the modern language is that the existence of the determinative another blocks the co-occurrence of the indefinite article and other as separate syntactic constituents: *an other book. Determinatives other than the indefinite article precede other without such compounding [ . . . ]
@snailboat You absolute lad. Yeah, that algorithm works c: Where'd you find it?
Anonymous
(CGEL p.391)
Anonymous
@HarryCBurn Find?
Anonymous
My brain? :-)
20:41
@snailboat You made it? o:
Hm.
That's awesome.
Better programmer than me!
Anonymous
I am waiting for examples where "an other" is OK. Unless the OP adds some relevant context (as already requested) so we can try to understand why it might have been edited out, I am voting this question off-topic because it needs more detailed information. — user3169 28 mins ago
Anonymous
I don't understand this close vote.
Off-topic because of too little information?
Anonymous
Why do they want the OP to provide examples "an other" is okay?
That doesn't make sense.
Anonymous
20:46
The OP doesn't have that information . . .
20:59
> @HarryCBurn you are apparently unaware of one of the main "features" of SE, as stated on its welcome tour: "Our goal is to have the best answers to every question, so if you see questions or answers that can be improved, you can edit them." Subtext: "Use edits to fix mistakes, improve formatting, or clarify the meaning of a post."
I disagree on the premise that an edit is not to entirely change an answer, but to improve it.

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