Conversation started Aug 1, 2015 at 0:27.
Anonymous
Aug 1, 2015 00:27
An interesting quote on terminology from CGEL:
Anonymous
> The classical terms 'nominative' and 'accusative' are quite opaque, and some modern grammars have replaced them by the more transparent 'subjective' and 'objective' respectively.
Anonymous
> The view taken here, however, is that the correlation between case and syntactic function is so complex that these new terms run the risk of creating confusion, and we have therefore preferred to retain the traditional terms - which also have the advantage that they are much more widely used in the grammars of other languages.
Anonymous
> As we will note in detail below, the nominative is not restricted to subject function (cf. It was I who found it, %They've invited Kim and I to lunch) and the accusative is likewise not restricted to object function, and indeed not excluded from subject function (Kim objected to him being given such preferential treatment; For him to go alone would be very dangerous).
Anonymous
(p.456)
Anonymous
Note: the % here indicates that the sentence is not grammatical for all speakers
Anonymous
Aug 1, 2015 00:29
(Imagine both circles being groups of speakers, and the slash being a dividing line between them, as between dialect groups)
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@snailboat Is that official?
I mean, will everyone know what it is when I use it?
Like when I use *?
Anonymous
You can't assume everyone will understand *.
Anonymous
And fewer people yet will understand %.
Anonymous
So you'll need to add a footnote to your answer describing the symbol.
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Darn it
Anonymous
Aug 1, 2015 00:32
The % should be superscripted in an answer, by the way.
Anonymous
You should also explain * when you use it.
Anonymous
I would have superscripted % in the quote above, but I don't have an easy way to do so in chat.
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
It could be a TeX comment.
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
* is also commonly used in text messaging to fix the error, not to denote the error sentence itself!
Anonymous
Yes, hopefully the two usages are unlikely to be confused because they appear in very different contexts
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Aug 1, 2015 00:36
Hopefully.
That always appears in sentences I'm pretty sure are not gonna hold for long.
@DamkerngT. Standing at +18 now.
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
@snailboat Interesting!
> %They've invited Kim and I to lunch.
Anonymous
I in this example is 'Pat'.
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Everything is interesting for you @Dam. You might remember next time to tell me what's actually not interesting to you.
Anonymous
You can tell because half of all CGEL examples involve Kim and Pat.
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
LOL!
Anonymous
Aug 1, 2015 00:40
(I'm exaggerating a lot, but if you go through CGEL, by the end when you see Kim and Pat you'll be thinking "Ah, my old friends Kim and Pat . . . ")
Damkerng T.
Damkerng T.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Inquisitive is one of my qualities. :-)
@snailboat Hehe!
Anonymous
Yes, CGEL talks quite a bit about accusative/nominative case alternations.
 
Conversation ended Aug 1, 2015 at 0:41.