Lyxal's cursed Jav.... oh wait this isn't actually java

lyxal

May 26, 2021 00:13

wanna see something actually cursed then?

hyper-neutrino

no thanks, I have a mirror if I wanted to

lyxal

too late

user

Finally, some real cursed code! You made my day

@hyper-neutrino What have you been cursed with? Nerdiness? :P

Aaron Miller

Is that part of the Vyxal interpreter converted to a Scratch-like format?

Giuseppe

@qwr I did; I believe Robin Ryder also posted a tweet to the now-defunct R chatroom saying that using ` would finally resolve the scan()` vs function() problem where scan() is usually shorter but just doesn't feel "right".

lyxal

May 26, 2021 00:18

@AaronMiller no

that's from a recent assignment

university assignment btw

first-year

it's bix xoring in an app development program called Thunkable

Giuseppe

@qwr R is also an incredibly frustrating language to golf in because the vectorization is inconsistent and there are so many weird edge cases with the builtins.

Aaron Miller

@lyxal Oh cool. I decided not to go to college. Instead I got a job like the bum I am.

lyxal

my main excuse for doing university is so that I can get better at code golf

9

obv it's helpful for other long term things

but code golf is my main focus lol

Aaron Miller

Lol. Priorities, right?

Redwolf Programs

ninja'd

lyxal

May 26, 2021 00:21

@AaronMiller exactly!

Redwolf Programs

Well not ninja'd becaise wifi saved me

Unrelated String

@lyxal ignoring the actual code, that is definitely one of the uglier scratchoids i've seen

Redwolf Programs

^

Aaron Miller

@lyxal In the about on your chat profile, shouldn’t it be "Through the coding and golf we carry on," instead of "the golf"?

Unrelated String

those tab things on expression blocks are also :/

Redwolf Programs

May 26, 2021 00:29

That is truly cursed

Unrelated String

the huge quotes are in a totally different style from everything else

Redwolf Programs

It's like they don't snap together and you just have to try to get them to line up lol

Unrelated String

lol

Aaron Miller

@UnrelatedString Oh god, my eyes...

Unrelated String

those settings help buttons are also kind of out of place feeling

and wait why are there two different colors of string literal

user

May 26, 2021 00:31

Strings come in different colors, duh

Unrelated String

are the light pink ones actually some kind of atom type

lyxal

Redwolf Programs

Is...is the darker one for numbers for something?

Why are there quotes around the variable names

This is deeply concerning

Unrelated String

the light pink ones are all used to name variables but there's no way they can't also be used for something else because then why wouldn't they just be variables

i feel like there are also way too many dropdowns

and with: is a very weird way to talk about passing arguments

user

I think that's an okay way to do it

Scratch doesn't even have functions that take arguments iirc

Unrelated String

May 26, 2021 00:36

with can mean too many things

yeah scratch is kinda fucked that way

lyxal

this ain't scratch

Unrelated String

from the name of "thunkable" i'm assuming this is some kind of kinda lazy kinda functional dealio

lyxal

it's for app development

what you're seeing works on Android

user

If this is such a complicated app, why not just write real code? This has to be really painful

Or did you choose to use thunkable yourself?

lyxal

We all had to use thunkable

Presumably to "get used to the fact that you might not always have the best tools"

now seems a good time to point that this is a different course to the one where I use java

Unrelated String

May 26, 2021 00:38

wait if you're assigning to global variables in like most of your functions then where does the thunking come in

user

Usually not having the best tools means the best editor you have is notepad, not that you have to drag and drop stuff

lyxal

they previously used MIT app inventor

Unrelated String

or you have some legacy code

user

@UnrelatedString That's the sound your head makes when it makes contact with your desk after you try out thunkable

Unrelated String

@user i see

lyxal

May 26, 2021 00:39

they only switched to thunkable like this year or last year

Unrelated String

lol

lyxal

dw I tried to make it less cursed by trying to piggyback off data:text/html urls laced with javascript inside web viewers and api calls

actually typing that out makes it sound more cursed

user

/claps even though I have no idea what that means

lyxal

e.g.

data:text/html,<script>var%20pattern%20=%20/\d+/g;%20window.location.replace("data:text,"%20+%20"10".match(pattern))</script>

Redwolf Programs

Oh god

user

May 26, 2021 00:42

That looks more cursed

lyxal

@user put this into your url bar: data:text/html,%3Ch1%3EHello,%20User%3C/h1%3E

Unrelated String

looked at thunkable's website and did not find why it's called that but did find that this isn't something they are marketing as an education tool this is legitimately something they are trying to sell as make a killer app with No Code™️

user

@lyxal What's that? <h1>Hello, user</h1>?

lyxal

correct

it renders the HTML

user

That's some big brain stuff

Redwolf Programs

May 26, 2021 00:43

I don't get why people are scared to show children real code. Scratch is fine I guess, but all these knock-offs are awful.

user

@UnrelatedString lol why would you want to make an app with no code

Redwolf Programs

And using them in a university level class...

Unrelated String

because code is big scary

user

Having to work around all this stuff is just painful

lyxal

my point is that I was desperate enough to try and use javascript for doing things instead of drag-and-drop

Redwolf Programs

May 26, 2021 00:43

I once made a whole text editor in data:text/html

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms first year, and the class is "introduction to professional engineering"

Redwolf Programs

it was painful

Unrelated String

my favorite professional engineering tool, thunkable

user

@RedwolfPrograms idk about other people, but I was actually scared of JS and only started learning it because it turned out Scratch was bad at math and stuff

lyxal

@UnrelatedString you'll like what the project brief was even more

Redwolf Programs

May 26, 2021 00:44

I use Thunkable every day, as a professional engineer. When I walk in to the office, everyone comments about how professional my code is.

user

I regarded it as this really, really complex language that only professionals used

Unrelated String

hiring full stack app developers must have at least a phd and 10 years of experience in thunkable (minimum wage ofc)

user

@lyxal More cursedness?

lyxal

@user "visitor-employee management for our government's defense force"

> The Defence Science and Technology Group (DST) has approached you to assist with
managing their workforce and visitors. They are part of the Australian Department of Defence
dedicated to providing science and technology support for Australia’s defence and national
security needs.

Unrelated String

@user i think js was the first text programming language i started learning and i am still scared of it

Redwolf Programs

May 26, 2021 00:45

I use Thunkable + PHP + Coffeescript as my web stack

lyxal

look the point of the course is more teaching engineering practices and report writing

the actual project is inconsequential

Unrelated String

throw fortran in for performance

lyxal

one of the people in our group made a group messaging system using thunkable

Redwolf Programs

I use Thunkable to dynamically generate PHP that dynamically generates Coffeescript, which dynamically generates the site

I managed to use SQL as a transpilation target to convert NPM's leftpad

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms mock thunkable all you want, but it has JSON built-ins

Unrelated String

May 26, 2021 00:48

you need to use autohotkey to generate the thunkable

Redwolf Programs

No, I just type really fast

lyxal

@user if it was up to me, I'd use Android Studio. App dev in AS is way less painful than app dev in Thunkable

Unrelated String

which uses more ram
android studio, or thunkable on chrome

lyxal

honestly idk

i don't remember

java is bad, but thunkable is way worse

Unrelated String

oh yeah seriously what are the pink strings

are they atoms or what

lyxal

May 26, 2021 00:50

at least with java you can tell where the errors are

Redwolf Programs

JSON built-ins are cursed for any language which doesn't have JSON-like syntax

lyxal

@UnrelatedString yeah

they are atoms

Unrelated String

was that yeah to the atoms

okay

good

Redwolf Programs

Why...variable...names...in...quotes

lyxal

Unrelated String

May 26, 2021 00:52

in quotes makes sense, but they should be single instead of double

Bubbler

I guess Android Studio + Java is still king for android app dev, unless you're gonna make a full game using Unity (or another full-fledged game engine)

Unrelated String

wait what so you can also treat atoms directly like strings

that's not very atomy then

lyxal

@UnrelatedString not really

you can't go putting the pink strings into the "set app variable [...] to ()"

because that breaks it

Unrelated String

i mean the light pink strings

lyxal

the light pink strings are default fields

Unrelated String

May 26, 2021 00:54

the light pink strings are the atoms and the reddish dark pink are strings

lyxal

other way around

Unrelated String

"default fields"

are a data type?

lyxal

hang on

let me just get a screenshot of what i mean

Unrelated String

so the ones you use as variable names can be treated as strings, but the ones you don't use as variable names are also strings

lyxal

those are equivalent

those are not equivalent

Unrelated String

May 26, 2021 00:57

i assumed as much

lyxal

Unrelated String

why is there a third shade of pink

Redwolf Programs

is this just java but scratch and ugly

Bubbler

@NewPosts Hey!

Unrelated String

so why do the dark pink string literals exist

lyxal

May 26, 2021 00:59

Unrelated String

alternatively, why are the light pink string literals strings at all

The Nineteenth Byte

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